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Mirror - "Dad killed by 'morphine-like' drug bought over the internet" (AH-7921)

In the UK that would be cannanbinoids. I "fail" my drug test almost every time cos I sometimes smoke synth 'noids - they last in the system as long as cannabis itself it seems and they most certainly trigger a positive on every drug test I've taken (I take lots cos am on a bupe script). Don't recall ever seeing PCP being tested for. Perhaps ketamine (I think, not positive but rings a vague bell) but never PCP. We don't even get PCP in this country so would be kinda redundant really. I know they test for that in the US though.

In related news, I know the tests I have to take differentiate between "Opiates" and "Buprenorphine" which did surprise me somewhat. Although I guess they'd have to or would be kinda pointless given what bupe is mainly prescribed for.
 
It's because they are chemical tests, so fentanyl won't trigger a response for morphine, for example, because it's not structurally related. Different tests have different combos, as you say, PCP is rare in the UK, but it is relatively common as a "default" compound to test for. FWIW, K and PCP are close enough structurally that I imagine K use would give you a positive. Bupe has a totally crazy weird unnatural structure, I'm not surprised it's easily differentiated from morphine/heroin. I'm surprised synth noids show on a standard test, though it may be that they're testing for them specifically, rather than that they are causing false positives for THC. Of course, you can talk broadly about the bog-standard presumptive piss tests they give to everyone, but drug testing (and analytical chemistry in general) is plenty advanced, if you're looking for something in particular it's pretty impressive what you can distinguish (whether cocaine was smoked or taken by another route, whether heroin was pharmaceutical or illicit, etc).
 
knock said:
Also like Shambles I'm a bit surprised by "Tests showed he had 4.46mg per litre of blood in his system, almost five times more than the usual fatal dose of between 0.81 and 0.99mg." I've plugged 200mg (= 40mg/ml at 100% BOA) and read of people injecting 50mg (= 10mg/ml)
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I've just done my research and people report injecting 150mg AH-7921 to achieve "heroin-like effects". That's 30 times what the doctor quoted in this article is saying is the "usual lethal dose". The whole thing reeks of nonsense. As usual.

I've plugged 150mg of this and it hurt like fuck and I'm not doing it again but it didn't kill me that, it should have killed me according this doc. He must be picking some other random opioid which actually does have researched figures and using them as substitutes. Well that doesn't work.

Does the body continue to clear drugs from the system after it's triggered a fatal overdose? Seems likely to me. I'd imagine the guy started off with a much higher blood concentration. Also, if drugs take effect by binding to receptor sites, then presumably that means the molecules are bound to the receptors and are therefore not floating about in the blood. sure, you probably need lots more drugs than will actually bind to receptors, as it will be distributed over your body. But regardless, it's not obvious to me how one would go about extrapolating post-mortem blood concentration into an actual dose.

If someone who understands this is reading it then please explain it all to me, and everyone else.
 
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Yeah i have had this chemical n thought it was one of the shitiest opiates i have ever done for a number of reasons .
You can take in to account my high tolerance n Methadone & Oxy scripts but still a real nasty compound

It is caustic as fuk , i wouldn't let it no where near my veins so iv use is out of the question .

To get any feelings that i want from an Opiate like a nod ( fat chance ) you would have to take a fukin shed load n that makes me feel uncomfortable .

If you did go over try explaining what it was that put you there if you get the chance , you stand a chance of getting sectioned under the mental health act .

It's easy to say "yeah i took to much Heroin it was an accident" n be out of Hospital in a few hours . Start babbling about unknown chemicals & the Psych doctor might well think "yeah of course you did know just come on over here for a 28 day lie down "

Traditional OPiates all the way , yes they are dangerous but i think Opiate analogues n such are far more dangerous. The only other ones i can think of are Fentanyl style mixes n yeah well Fentanyl that is stupid dangerous anyway .
 
Brimz, it's possible to get a nod off this by eating it. I need 350mg nowadays but it is possible. When I first used it it took only 250mg. Others need alot less, apparently. Still others need more. The nod is full on and lasts for hours. It's not very euphoric like opiates out of poppies but there is some euphoria and you see nice videos on the back of your eyelids.

You're right it's very caustic. That's why I've pretty much stopped taking it, that and a cup of poppy pod tea is much much nicer :) But I've consumed about 30g of the stuff and I'm alive. It might have fucked some internal organ or other mind you but I'm not experiencing any symptoms.

It's not an unknown chemical, it's not on the BNF I grant you that but it's been known since 1973.

Just to make it clear I think the doctor they've quoted is talking nonsense, not the guy who IV'd 150mg.

I reckon I would need to eat about 600-700mg to kill me. Probably a full gram to guarantee it and not end up on life support.
 
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Yeah i ain't saying you can't , i'm saying I can't .

Take in to account my 18 year methadone script & my Oxy script n might as well put in my .3/4 a day heroin habit n i would have to eat at least a gram n as i said i'm just not comfortable with that .

The caustic nature of the substance threw up big warning signals straight away for me .

Just my feelings Knock , you gotta remember i have pretty decent access to real Heroin ( of a surprisingly high quality) which i can smoke ( my preferred ROA ) without having to go on the Internet.
 
Yeah i agree about it's caustic nature.

I was a bit "couldn't give a fuck" at the time I was using it regularly. I've stopped using it because I remembered I have some nice poppy pods that are much more enjoyable! And certainly more of a known quantitiy.
 
Yeah i had a look at the wiki page when i had some as well n saw that said chemical had been around since the 1970's .

Goes to show how rubbish it is though if none of the Big Pharma companies have found a use for it . I'm sure you know as well as me that they will try to exploit just about any Pain Killing drug for a profit .

The rebranding of Temgesic as Subutex being one of the biggest Money spinners of recent times .
 
babylonboy said:
It's not structurally related to morphine, no reason it would show up, they're analysing what chemicals you've got going on, not what receptors are getting a good seeing-to. Drug testing talk is sort of frowned upon by the powers that be, but the 5th class of drugs would be PCP or cannabis, depending on the test, I think.
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Yes, I know, but if it's getting widespread and causing deaths it should probably be tested for when people are admitted to the er for a suspected overdose. I mean finding it during a post mortem exam which screens for everything in your system is a bit too late for the guy who died...
 
babylonboy said:
I'm surprised synth noids show on a standard test, though it may be that they're testing for them specifically, rather than that they are causing false positives for THC.
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Nah, not tested for specifically - just triggers a positive on the cannabis bit every time I've been tested. For the sake of completeness, it's a saliva test I take (cos I'm no good at widdling on demand) and the 'noid in question would be 5F-AKB48. Can't really be anything else triggering it I can think of cos I very seldom smoke cannabis itself due to cost and availability issues.
 
its widely known that AH has more or less the same potency as morphine, but the bio availabilties of morphine are very different depenending on the ROA. I had hell of a job trying to explain to Drs and clinics about this stuff, they were all "we dont know how strong this stuff is, so we dont know how much bupe to put you on". I was going "yes it is known, its about the same potency as morphine, so use morphine as your guidleine' they just wouldnt listen, or even look at the URLs for proper gptraining and research websites i had provided them.

I guess people getting into trouble with internet RCs is still very rare, as i have still yet to encounter any medical proffessional that has a single clue about any of it. Despite from that made up bullshit IT IS BELIEVED that mephedrone kills somebody every week. IT IS BELIEVED that God created the world in 6 days and had a rest on Sunday after all that must have been hard work, and that Moses parted the seas, and someone put all the animals on an arc, doesnt make it fucking true does it.
 
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lol, you're ok im getting used to the pedantics on this place, i dunno if there's something about my posts that triggers it, or if its just a general thing. I think I should go with the less paranoid, its a general thing on here. I suppose it is important to get the facts exactly right, but more so in some threads than others.
 
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