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Lol hahaha. Don't you just love Americans like Joeof. I swear to god Americans have got to be one of the most one dimensional, selfish, ignorant and dumb people on this planet. Their entire culture is based on greed and superficial wants, and their knowledge of the rest of the world is worse than a ten year old in another country.

Everyone should be allowed to carry again. Guns are illegal in some parts of the world, does that stop the criminals from getting a gun, no, they are criminals, the don't abide by the law. It only stops citizens, so I see where the dumb Americans are coming from.

What I don't get is; dumb, ignorant, colorful extra-large big mac, reality TV driven, money greed capitalistic bullshit American society trusts its citizens to arm themselves to the teeth with war type assault rifles, grenades, sniper rifles and night vision scopes, RPGs, long range scopes, .223 human purpose made killer bullets, large capacity magazines and explosives - BUT they do not trust their citizens with ....drugs. I mean companies that make washing machines and fridges also make missiles for war in America. That is the type of ideology this drungo above is brainwashed in. Heck, its citizens can probably by a cruise missile, ready for launch in case the robber manages to drive away. Yet, they can not be trusted with drugs. Funny ass shit.

It is not our society trying to disarm your cartoon fake free state. It is your society trying to change entire nations' laws and political systems. It is your country that enforces the rest of the world to keep drugs illegal, despite the rise of gangs and criminal elements. All for the chase of the capitalistic dollar. You think you are free? LOL really? I am not talking bout a M60 heavy machine gun...go outside and snort some Cocaine, then we will see how free you think you are. Your government spies on you, all of what you do electronically. You are brainwashed and American dumb. You are far from free...heck even in backward society like Iran's has more free elements than yours. They have drug laws light years ahead of your dumb ass country. How America has became such a unilateral force is beyond me...but like they say, every dog has his day.

2nd amendment>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to use drugs

Just saying. If the queen of england came to my house and started pushing me around I could put a stop to it. Could you...
 
New York...first to set a trend?

So what does everyone think about New York banning assault rifles? Warranted or not?

If you do not know...new York has demanded the turn in of all assault rifles(iv heard also of any weapon holding more than 3 or 6 rounds, not sure of the credibility of that though), new York citizens must turn rifles into a local police station or provide evidence that the rifle has been moved elsewhere including a permit stating its storage there & proof of your residence there.

I personally think its infringing heavily on our 2nd amendment rights.
They believe it will cut crime...but do not seem to realize that criminal acts committed with assault rifles are generally unregistered(illegal weapons) anyways, so in my opinion taking away rifles will just make it easer for crimes to be committed. They are basically striping the common man of a way to protect his family and property from armed aggressors.
 
those who support the loosest interpretation of the 2nd amendment feel that the solution to the societal problem of gun crime is more guns. that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. (that's a rather simplistic paraphrasing, i agree, but it's to make a point.)

the 2nd amendment says "Arms" but the framers chose not to define what that meant. we can interpret what the framers meant any way we like - especially to fit our own agenda - but i think that the framers would be comfortable with a state defining for itself what "Arms"? don't you?

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Don't misunderstand me. I know more guns will not likely reduce crime, but neither will removing the registered arms. Its a deeper problem than the guns themselves, they are just being used as a scapegoat for new York's inability to prevent/reduce gun crime.

And this could easily be seen as the first stepping stones to more of our rights being infringed upon. But that's more on the conspiracy side of things.

How does it make since though to remove guns that are being taken care of properly, stored properly and handled properly by informed owners, yes they may get a few guns off the street that MIGHT have been used in crimes in the future...but its not like if someone wants an illegally imported full auto AK cant get one after this ban. I have a friend who ran guns for a dealer...full auto ak 47's and 74's were the most popular item. Some random hoodlum cant walk into a gun store and buy that. But that doesn't mean he/she cant get one.

Lets not forget about the home security issue. It can take cops up to 15 minutes to respond to a violent crime...if it gets reported. Yet a properly trained and informed citizen can resolve the situation in seconds...and no that does not mean a fire fight. There is a legal way to deal with intruders if you have a gun. Its a load and long verbal warning.
 
I personally think its infringing heavily on our 2nd amendment rights.
They believe it will cut crime...but do not seem to realize that criminal acts committed with assault rifles are generally unregistered(illegal weapons) anyways, so in my opinion taking away rifles will just make it easer for crimes to be committed. They are basically striping the common man of a way to protect his family and property from armed aggressors.

How much crime is committed using assault weapons and how many "common men" use them as home defense weapons?

The capacity for damage involved is outweighing actual every day crime in this case. If you're defending your home with an AR-15 or an AK you're extremely irresponsible. Unless it's an armored horde of paramilitary forces invading your home there's no reason to use a weapon that will cut through walls like a hot knife through butter at 200 rpm.

New Yorkers' 2nd amendment is still in tact. The amendment doesn't specify which arms are acceptable. Obviously all of them can't be legal.
 
The capacity for damage involved is outweighing actual every day crime in this case. If you're defending your home with an AR-15 or an AK you're extremely irresponsible. Unless it's an armored horde of paramilitary forces invading your home there's no reason to use a weapon that will cut through walls like a hot knife through butter at 200 rpm. .

Why not? If you have a gun and are intent with hurting someone in their home...what's more frightening...a pistol or someone with a rifle? And 200 rpm is far off. Civilian model mags have less than a 30 round capacity. The average is 10 I believe. 5.56 might go through 1 wall at point blank but not 2. Nor through a neighbors house. That's more along the lines of a .50 cal. This I know from experience, as Iv operated the M2 for my profession.
 
Why not? If you have a gun and are intent with hurting someone in their home...what's more frightening...a pistol or someone with a rifle? And 200 rpm is far off. Civilian model mags have less than a 30 round capacity. The average is 10 I believe. 5.56 might go through 1 wall at point blank but not 2. Nor through a neighbors house. That's more along the lines of a .50 cal. This I know from experience, as Iv operated the M2 for my profession.

RPM is a rate of fire though, not a mag size. But still, high powered rifles are an awful choice for home defense. I'm sure the most serious about home defense will say the same. Shotguns and pistols are far more practical, they don't have to be scary. They have to fire projectiles that deter or incapacitate a person.
 
IDK how much I trust the source but that is exactly what I said would happen if they expand background checks that in depth. They will just make it so that if you were ever on virtually any med they have grounds to confiscate. I am actually fine with it I think people in NY should be allowed to elect into office and vote on whatever laws they want. States rights first and foremost. Lol I can legally carry my guns concealed into the bar here. Gotta love freedom! I just hope these laws dont get all them carpet baggers to come down here!
 
RPM is a rate of fire though, not a mag size. But still, high powered rifles are an awful choice for home defense. I'm sure the most serious about home defense will say the same. Shotguns and pistols are far more practical, they don't have to be scary. They have to fire projectiles that deter or incapacitate a person.


Yes, but these are not belt fed weapons so max rpm is not applicable. Unless your sitting in your room with a mag loaded and wearing an LBV with 12 other mags waiting for someone to break in like a crazy person you wont come close to "overkill" with an AR style rifle. Plus its not always the rounds you can produce its the fact you have them outmatched and know your rights given in the form of a verbal warining that causes most robbers to just leave.

Also anyone who is confident in their skill as a shot would much prefer a rifle. I am in no way saying that a shotgun or pistol is ineffective. But a shotgun is messy and causes collateral damage where a pistol is less accurate than a rifle.
 
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^So how is an AR more useful than a shotgun or a pistol?

I am actually fine with it I think people in NY should be allowed to elect into office and vote on whatever laws they want. States rights first and foremost.

Wait what? Doesn't this count as big government taking away divine rights or something? Why is it different for states?
 
Using guns for home defense isnt even why the constitution allows them. The only reason we need the 2nd is to protect against a tyrannical government per the founding fathers. An assault weapon would be a very basic tool in the event.

Wait what? Doesn't this count as big government taking away divine rights or something? Why is it different for states?

States rights are one of the most important things we have in this country. As long as nothing is being done federally I am cool with it tbh
 
^So how is an AR more useful than a shotgun or a pistol?

I edited the message above you, forgot that part.

Also anyone who is confident in their skill as a shot would much prefer a rifle. I am in no way saying that a shotgun or pistol is ineffective. But a shotgun is messy and causes collateral damage where a pistol is less accurate than a rifle.
 
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Using guns for home defense isnt even why the constitution allows them. The only reason we need the 2nd is to protect against a tyrannical government per the founding fathers. An assault weapon would be a very basic tool in the event.

Yes but if you go waving that about as an excuse to have weapons, you will be labeled radical militia. Not the best way to keep your rights as a gun owner.
 
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