A Story of Extreme Use of DMT/Psychadelics: COMMENTS & SPECULATION WELCOME!

[princessxxleah]

Hello,

I have recently found out that my brother has, in the past two months, seeming lost his grip on reality. He was recently discharged after two weeks in the psych ward my parents admitted him in. I live 12 hours from him and so I was unaware of the depth of his psychadelic drug use. I myself am a supporter of plant substances in the evolution of human consciousness and the place he is at I have never seen nor heard of.

I called him to ask him a simple question about DMT extraction. He answered "I don't care" then proceeded to tell me that he had been to the control board, that he had seen christ consciousness and "it" was coming. When I asked him a question it took him a 10 second delay to answer. I asked why. He said because he was talking to the evil me and the good me. He talked more of energy, evil entities, and that his job was to free the people. That he was god. The vibe Igot was not good. The talk of energy, etc... is nothing new to me but I did also find out that he has lost 30 pounds and is now nearly skeletal, he barely eats, sleeps, doesn't bathe, brush his teeth, his hair is manged. He is not operating in this physical world it seems. He is not grounded. It is worrying. He can not really function. He drove two blocks before he wrecked his car. He speaks of evil energy alot. I have also discovered he smoked DMT every day for a month. I have never heard or seen anyone deteriorate like this to the state of seemingly mental and physical illness from the use of hallucinogens. Any comments? Do you think he can "come back" He was also very isolated during this time. I don't know if his brain chemicals are screwed up or if it is something like an entity possession or if his thoughts have taken him to this dark place but it does not seem good. Thanks for reading this post and comments are much appreciated. Trying to make some sense of this and help my brother get back to a healthy place.

 

[GolemGolem]

Same shit happened to a friend of mine, and it's happened to others too. There's a good chance he'll come out of it a few months later saner and more productive, and I hope that's what happens. Psychosis sucks hard. I'm sorry it happened to your brother.
Also, good warning, folks need to watch their use, and not try to live 24/7 in hyperspace as awesome as it is.
I hope he doesn't have a circle of friends that don't believe in mental illness and validate his delusions. That can ruin someone who needs to get sane.

 

[pmoseman]

Never had DmT. Find sometching that comforts him. Hopefully you can guess at something, being his brother, that might distract his mind. If he was me, I would read him a book, like Hitchhikers or Tolkien. Do not think of him as broken, he is being exposed to his subconscious mind, and that can be a very mechanical uncaring place. Unfortunately, during this time I do not think you can do very much with medicating. The way he reacts to drugs may change. It might be OK if the doctors give him stuff to get him to sleep or alter his thinking but one way or another it is only his mind. He needs to work inside himself. It never goes away.
In my case, I heard music playing in my head as a child, and heard voices calling my name at school, but these were not real. They were subtle and at the time hardly noticeable. I am also currently living with voices. This seems to be the case. But here is the rub, I have spoken with schizophrenics and meet schizophrenics, and I am not, fortunately, that bad. All of you have these voices too. There is nothing"inevitable"about having a mental disease and there is a lot of social stigma. In its true sense, my voices were not created by drug induced psychosis. The psychosis was different, causing a range of delusions, from thinking I had died to seeing people wearing disguises.
The actual episode lasted about 4 days (?) and after that drugs might have helped, but probably not before. Followed by a 6 month period of loathing. That time period might be different for DmT. After that passes, however, then he will need help from medication. Again looking at my life, I am 99% better now, it did not take continuous medication, just one "therapy session" being driven around by a friend and some muscle relaxer and lots and lots of time.

This is from yesterday:
When I thought about posting the buffalo poem on bluelight.ru the voice calls me a fuck face, they use words like strategy, electronic, and gasps of air for what I am doing now. When I look away to concentrate they call it, ballooning.
When I was getting back from the party I was thinking (now they are finishing my sentences and getting curious) about all the girls and was using all my charm and new social skills and projecting happiness; everyone was having a wonderful time and I was flipping through the memories, when unexpectedly one voice calls me an asshole. Now he says I threw him around another says he's an angel.
I am much happier now that what they are saying makes some sort of sense. They are calling it "stage fright". Of course I am thinking, as any logical person would, these are the same inner voices that control our thoughts and actions but without realizing their existence. They are inspiration, emotion, inquisitor, shyness, and deception. They take little nibbles at your life and it does not matter that they literally make sense, they are important parts of the subconscious mind. But I have been working on them, staying calm, and explaining things to them. They seem, altogether, to work in our best interest, but do not "get" what is going on very easily. Things are good. I know deep down I make the voices talk.

 

[buildersoftime]

Is it possible that you can take some time out to be with him? It sounds like he needs someone to guide him back to consensual reality and because you're psychedelics-positive, you might be the perfect person. See it as similar to helping him recover from a broken leg.

 

[pofacedhoe]

people crack up all the time from psychedelic abuse.

i have and it triggered a manic episode

but i got better.

he's just spun out and needs to lay off the drugs for a while

 

[Ismene]

Sounds more like schizophrenia than psychedelic use. How old is he? Late teens early 20s?

 

[pmoseman]

Sounds more like schizophrenia than psychedelic use. How old is he? Late teens early 20s?

Read the DSM IV p. 177-188, or its it V now?, anyway schizophrenia is a lot like brief psychotic disorder, but it has to last over a month. You, literally, cannot make the distinction until after this time has passed.
Most people take psychedelics around that age.
He was released after two weeks, I assume he was hallucinating. If these hallucinations have ceased then you know it is not schizophrenia. He may have other problems, but this is directly following a DMT binge; seems clear cut.
Other stressors may include first year college, losing job, divorce, military.
If it is drug-induced psychosis, he will likely have a long slow regression to becoming normal, with plateaus and noticeable drops (ie moments of illumination) along the way. New experiences can help a lot, if he mentions a place he has never been to, it could be beneficial to set him loose to help him realize any improvement.
He is probably going to get a fair bit depressed. So he will need to accept things and know that there is a very long road to getting better, but an even longer one following that, where this will all be a forgotten memory.
There are lots of good stories from people who suffered depression; that may help him.

 

[hypnagogic]

Having experienced drug-induced psychosis myself from a psychedelic binge I wouldn't be too worried about the long run. The next few months may be difficult getting back on his feet, but unless there is a family history of psychological problems it should pass.

Sobriety, regular exercise and a better diet helped me. The only drugs I did use during this period were benzos and anti-psychotics from a doctor. The anti-psychotics made things worse, increasing my confusion and depression. The benzos made sleep possible and made the anxiety manageable, so for short-term use they may be very helpful.

Definitely make sure he's still getting regular exposure to the outside world. It can be easy to become reclusive and obsessive over delusions in this sort of state, prolonging the duration of symptoms.

 

[pmoseman]

Having experienced drug-induced psychosis myself from a psychedelic binge I wouldn't be too worried about the long run. The next few months may be difficult getting back on his feet, but unless there is a family history of psychological problems it should pass.

Sobriety, regular exercise and a better diet helped me. The only drugs I did use during this period were benzos and anti-psychotics from a doctor. The anti-psychotics made things worse, increasing my confusion and depression. The benzos made sleep possible and made the anxiety manageable, so for short-term use they may be very helpful.

Definitely make sure he's still getting regular exposure to the outside world. It can be easy to become reclusive and obsessive over delusions in this sort of state, prolonging the duration of symptoms.

That is good to hear. Obviously I went undermedicated and paid for it.
Did you continue to use drugs, more responsibly?
Were you aware it was drugs at the time, or was it "evil forces" etc.?

 

[GreenMachine]

i have been sent into somewhat of a psychotic episode during a particularly long binge of psychedelics, but i wasnt hearing voices afterwards. it probably lasted for a day or so but the voices were super vivid.

heres the thing i have noticed with these kind of things: the longer time you spend away from reality, the harder it is for the person to come back. it is REALLY important not to validate any of his claims. he very well might have friends that do, people that believe in the "energies" and strange things he talks about. even if you do, dont bring it up. you want to bring this dude back to baseline before spinning out into space again.

 

[GolemGolem]

it is REALLY important not to validate any of his claims. he very well might have friends that do, people that believe in the "energies" and strange things he talks about. even if you do, dont bring it up. you want to bring this dude back to baseline before spinning out into space again.

Truth, it's still fucking up my freind, maybe if he's super lucky and keeps being handsome he can start a cult with all the people who think he's super magical. Sadly at this point I think it's going to end up with him stealing from them and ending up on the street again.

 

[princessxxleah]

@ GolemGolem...Unfortunately he has only two people he associates with and they both glorify his new "power". But he is clearly delusional. I found out last night he had a moment where he snapped and violently terrorized my parents and sister. My dad even broke his ankle so its pretty bad. He is now hospitalized again. Hopefully they can do something to help him.

 

[princessxxleah]

Never had DmT. Find sometching that comforts him. Hopefully you can guess at something, being his brother, that might distract his mind. If he was me, I would read him a book, like Hitchhikers or Tolkien. Do not think of him as broken, he is being exposed to his subconscious mind, and that can be a very mechanical uncaring place. Unfortunately, during this time I do not think you can do very much with medicating. The way he reacts to drugs may change. It might be OK if the doctors give him stuff to get him to sleep or alter his thinking but one way or another it is only his mind. He needs to work inside himself. It never goes away.
In my case, I heard music playing in my head as a child, and heard voices calling my name at school, but these were not real. They were subtle and at the time hardly noticeable. I am also currently living with voices. This seems to be the case. But here is the rub, I have spoken with schizophrenics and meet schizophrenics, and I am not, fortunately, that bad. All of you have these voices too. There is nothing"inevitable"about having a mental disease and there is a lot of social stigma. In its true sense, my voices were not created by drug induced psychosis. The psychosis was different, causing a range of delusions, from thinking I had died to seeing people wearing disguises.
The actual episode lasted about 4 days (?) and after that drugs might have helped, but probably not before. Followed by a 6 month period of loathing. That time period might be different for DmT. After that passes, however, then he will need help from medication. Again looking at my life, I am 99% better now, it did not take continuous medication, just one "therapy session" being driven around by a friend and some muscle relaxer and lots and lots of time.

This is from yesterday:
When I thought about posting the buffalo poem on bluelight.ru the voice calls me a fuck face, they use words like strategy, electronic, and gasps of air for what I am doing now. When I look away to concentrate they call it, ballooning.
When I was getting back from the party I was thinking (now they are finishing my sentences and getting curious) about all the girls and was using all my charm and new social skills and projecting happiness; everyone was having a wonderful time and I was flipping through the memories, when unexpectedly one voice calls me an asshole. Now he says I threw him around another says he's an angel.
I am much happier now that what they are saying makes some sort of sense. They are calling it "stage fright". Of course I am thinking, as any logical person would, these are the same inner voices that control our thoughts and actions but without realizing their existence. They are inspiration, emotion, inquisitor, shyness, and deception. They take little nibbles at your life and it does not matter that they literally make sense, they are important parts of the subconscious mind. But I have been working on them, staying calm, and explaining things to them. They seem, altogether, to work in our best interest, but do not "get" what is going on very easily. Things are good. I know deep down I make the voices talk.

I realize that there is a social stigma around schizophrenia and people with mental illness. I wouldn't feel so uncomfortable with him accessing a new knowledge from his subconscious if it didn't seem to be of such a negative/low vibration. I'm all about psychedelics as a tool for positive growth in consciousness but this physical deterioration, evil energy and violence he's going through is nothing that I would want to be apart of. It does raise questions in my mind...maybe his angry thought patterns opened him up to low vibrational entities that took possession of his mind, maybe it's a brain chemistry problem...i mean the list goes on.

 

[princessxxleah]

Sounds more like schizophrenia than psychedelic use. How old is he? Late teens early 20s?

He's 20 and been using psychedelics for probably since he was 18/19.

@buildersoftime Yes that is what I am planning to do. It is no good for him being around my parents who keep spouting Christian/Jesus-is-the-answer shit. They're not a proponent of entheogens whatsoever and think they're of the devil and this whole experience has them sure that they are right. Not that there is anything wrong with Christian people but I think you might get what I'm saying.

 

[princessxxleah]

Having experienced drug-induced psychosis myself from a psychedelic binge I wouldn't be too worried about the long run. The next few months may be difficult getting back on his feet, but unless there is a family history of psychological problems it should pass.

Sobriety, regular exercise and a better diet helped me. The only drugs I did use during this period were benzos and anti-psychotics from a doctor. The anti-psychotics made things worse, increasing my confusion and depression. The benzos made sleep possible and made the anxiety manageable, so for short-term use they may be very helpful.

Definitely make sure he's still getting regular exposure to the outside world. It can be easy to become reclusive and obsessive over delusions in this sort of state, prolonging the duration of symptoms.

Yes I definitely agree. He's been quite reclusive over the past few years and even more so this past year...quit his job and then cut his two friends off, isolated himself and smoked DMT daily for a month plus other stuff i don't know about so yeah I think that is part of his obsessive delusions like you say. When the cops arrested him yesterday for domestic violence they thanked my parents for not pressing charges because they said he clearly needed help. So it seems he is "gone" by societal standards.

 

[princessxxleah]

Thanks for everyone's replies!

 

[pmoseman]

rgr

Clonazepam is a long acting benzodiazepine. All benzodiazepines have anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant, sedative, and hypnotic properties. So it does have muscle relaxant properties. That being said, it is not commonly used as a muscle relaxant.

 

[Ismene]

He's 20 and been using psychedelics for probably since he was 18/19.

Prime age for developing schizophrenia. And his thought processes sound very typical. I had a friend who developed it at the same age.

I wouldn't worry too much about smoking DMT every night - it only lasts a minute or two so it's not like he'd be whacked out of his brain for hours on end.

but this is directly following a DMT binge; seems clear cut.

Can you really binge on smoked DMT? At best you're going to be high for 2-5 minutes a day. I can't see that causing many problems. Probably do you some good if anything.

 

[pmoseman]

Prime age for developing schizophrenia. And his thought processes sound very typical. I had a friend who developed it at the same age.

I wouldn't worry too much about smoking DMT every night - it only lasts a minute or two so it's not like he'd be whacked out of his brain for hours on end.



Can you really binge on smoked DMT? At best you're going to be high for 2-5 minutes a day. I can't see that causing many problems. Probably do you some good if anything.

Family history is the biggest factor. Another factor is the pattern of psychosis. Age of a person is just one factor and it is not useful in the case of drug use because the two match. You will be very likely confusing the two if you base it on age.
A more important question for you might be what other drugs was he using.
Smoking DMT daily for a month is a binge.
Drug-induced psychosis happens.

"The findings of this review indicate that psychosis due to substance abuse is commonly observed in clinical practice."
http://www.eurekaselect.com/94848/article

 

[Ismene]

Age is a good indicator tho. If he'd been 30 I wouldn't have suggested schizophrenia.

Nah, smoking DMT once a night for a month (if we believe him) would be about the safest form of drug use anyone could possibly do. Smoking a joint every night would be far, far more dangerous.

Drug induced psychosis can happen - but very, very rarely and almost certainly not from smoking DMT because it's so short acting. It's hard to go crazy when you're sober again after 90 seconds.