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Depression, Anxiety, LSD & Me.

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pengoz

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LSD Experience & MDMA treating mental disorders?

G'day

I took LSD for the first time in December. Unfortunately, either due to deterioration or SSRIs I did not trip. And so I'm still stuck with my mental illness. I took upto 600 ug per trip; 300ug then waiting over an hour and another 300ud (lsd blotter,swished in the mouth for awhile then swalled the small paper). It was hoped that I allowed sufficent time for the SSRI anti-depressant to leave my system (I'm led to believe its 6 weeks but I wasn't counting at the time), so either I did not allow sufficent time or the LSD deteriorated by the time I worked up the courage to take it (1-2 weeks since getting it).

I am led to believe LSD can cure or at least treat my mental illness, what has been your experience with mental illness and LSD?

I might try LSD again, tho it will be awhile as I have to wait about 2 months for the SSRI anti-depressant to be out of my system.

All I got when I tried LSD on multiple occasions was just increased anxiety and I'm still stuck with my mental illness. Unfortunately I've been down the road ofc counselling, ssris, snris, naturopathy etc and none of them work (for me). I'm sure there is a version of SSRI/SNRI out there for me but I'm sick and tired of waiting 4-8 weeks for it to work only to find it doesn't help. I also resigned from my job and had two strokes as my condition has worsened. I can only hope I can fix myself before its too late.

So now I'm trying an "unorthodox" approach. Does DMT ignore anti depressants and work for someone suffering from major depression and anxiety? Or am I shit out of luck?

If it helps I'm a victim of sexual abuse and I'm convinced thats where my depression and anxiety "stem" from. It is hoped thru the use of psychedlics I can cure or otherwise treat myself since everything else has failed to help to date.
 
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Unfortunately, no drug will magically cure or even treat your mental disorders, but psychedelics can definitely be a catalyst for change based on how they essentially force you to look at and evaluate things in a different way. I suffer from anxiety and depression as well, and taking psychedelics usually makes me feel motivated and optimistic for a week or so which definitely helps alleviate some symptoms I normally feel. Again though, I wouldn't look at LSD or DMT or any other psychedelic as a cure or treatment for anything, but instead as tools which can help, but won't necessarily if you don't put in the effort yourself.

Also, it sounds like you are suffering from PTSD. Have you tried MDMA? There is a lot of research in MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for the treatment of PTSD, but, assuming you are in the U.S., you will be hard-pressed to find any psychologist who would facilitate or even advocate this kind of therapy. I don't know how comfortable you are with talking about your history of sexual abuse to other people, but you might ask a trusted friend or family member to help you through an MDMA experience with the intention of talking through your issues.
 
Grinders Kiefers said:
Unfortunately, no drug will magically cure or even treat your mental disorders, but psychedelics can definitely be a catalyst for change based on how they essentially force you to look at and evaluate things in a different way. I suffer from anxiety and depression as well, and taking psychedelics usually makes me feel motivated and optimistic for a week or so which definitely helps alleviate some symptoms I normally feel. Again though, I wouldn't look at LSD or DMT or any other psychedelic as a cure or treatment for anything, but instead as tools which can help, but won't necessarily if you don't put in the effort yourself.

Also, it sounds like you are suffering from PTSD. Have you tried MDMA? There is a lot of research in MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for the treatment of PTSD, but, assuming you are in the U.S., you will be hard-pressed to find any psychologist who would facilitate or even advocate this kind of therapy. I don't know how comfortable you are with talking about your history of sexual abuse to other people, but you might ask a trusted friend or family member to help you through an MDMA experience with the intention of talking through your issues.
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I'm in Australia, due to my illness I have no friends and are isolated which doesn't help and my family can't be relied upon to help. Thanks for your honesty.

I'm a bit put off by mdma (ectasy) as if its the real thing and it doesn't kill ya (if something else) apparently it depletes your serotonin supply and so since I'm already majorly depressed it will probably lead to suicide. So even if its the real thing, MDMA is probably not the answer as it will no doubt lead to death. Futhermore I am led to believe its open to abuse and can damage you long term, so its not for me.

I understand that DMT won't cure me but hopefully it will at least help me to help myself as at the moment as I feel pretty lost. Nothing has helped to date. Western medcine or otherwise the traditonal approach has failed to work for me, so its now down to the unorthdox approach.

I've tried opiates, alcohol and cannabis to stem the emotional pain. They hide the pain temporarily but the pain never goes away for good. So I'm looking for something to take that has a more long term effect and helps me to heal. So that ultimately I don't need to take drugs to hide the pain or otherwise able to handle any and all stress.

I agree with you on PTSD, it would of been good to try ptsd medcine and maybe I should of said something at the time of seeing the GPs. Instead I stfu and accepted their general diagnosis of depression with them writing off a script for the latest and greatest ssri/snri anti-depressant. Heck I even saw a psychiatrist (expsensive!) and they just gave me a script for SSRIs as well. So I'm pretty much fed up with western medcine. No one cares and they are just are after taking my money rather than actually healing me. I guess the awful truth is they don't want me to get better as they want more money out of me, thus they want me to keep coming back and paying their bills.

I can only hope I find something that works otherwise it scares me what that means if I don't.
 
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Like the above poster said, psychedelics won't cure you just because you took them. It takes work using such tools and they should be approached seriously. They can definitely help change the way you think for the better, giving you a different perspective to view your circumstances in. It won't stick if you rely too much on the drug though rather than making a conscious effort to integrate the things you get out of tripping into your daily life.

They've certainly helped me get a good look at what causes anxiety in me and how to cope with it more effectively than turning to xanax at the first sign of stress.

If you've had two strokes though you should be very careful with psychedelics. I would recommend avoiding any that cause sharp spikes in blood pressure if yours is constantly too high. This includes DMT, unfortunately.
 
Yes DMT may very well release trauma from your nervous-system. But it will have to be expressed. So, your anxiety may very well be released by your organism shaking (shaking out of fear). After this, trauma is gone, and life will change.

And whatever you do. No MAOIs!

And yeah, MDMA first is surely the way to go. I didn't get depressed the first time I took it. On the contrary, it had a nice afterglow the following week.
 
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I've known people who had serious mental health and childhood issues and used LSD and if all you had was more anxiety then you are getting off lightly. If you are determined on experimenting with LSD then do so with a trusted close friend preferably one who can restrain you. Keep in mind that LSD can dig things up from your past and it will amplify your feelings beyond any comparison to sober life. It may give you a new perspective on yourself but this is just as likely to be delusional or worsen your illness as it is to improve your situation. It isn't a good idea to self medicate with LSD.
 
pengoz said:
G'day

I took LSD for the first time in December. Unfortunately, either due to deterioration or SSRIs I did not trip. And so I'm still stuck with my mental illness. I took upto 600 ug per trip; 300ug then waiting over an hour and another 300ud (lsd blotter,swished in the mouth for awhile then swalled the small paper). It was hoped that I allowed sufficent time for the SSRI anti-depressant to leave my system (I'm led to believe its 6 weeks but I wasn't counting at the time), so either I did not allow sufficent time or the LSD deteriorated by the time I worked up the courage to take it (1-2 weeks since getting it).

I am led to believe LSD can cure or at least treat my mental illness, what has been your experience with mental illness and LSD?

I might try LSD again, tho it will be awhile as I have to wait about 2 months for the SSRI anti-depressant to be out of my system.

All I got when I tried LSD on multiple occasions was just increased anxiety and I'm still stuck with my mental illness. Unfortunately I've been down the road ofc counselling, ssris, snris, naturopathy etc and none of them work (for me). I'm sure there is a version of SSRI/SNRI out there for me but I'm sick and tired of waiting 4-8 weeks for it to work only to find it doesn't help. I also resigned from my job and had two strokes as my condition has worsened. I can only hope I can fix myself before its too late.

So now I'm trying an "unorthodox" approach. Does DMT ignore anti depressants and work for someone suffering from major depression and anxiety? Or am I shit out of luck?

If it helps I'm a victim of sexual abuse and I'm convinced thats where my depression and anxiety "stem" from. It is hoped thru the use of psychedlics I can cure or otherwise treat myself since everything else has failed to help to date.
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Where did you get the idea that LSD could do this for you?
 
After researching (erowid, youtube, google, the web) I learnt lsd or dmt can be helpful in treating depression. Everything else hasn't worked, so what have I got to lose?

I guess I got off lightly with the LSD not really working, but I wished it did help treat me all the same.

Unfortunately I have no friends (thanks to my illness). So I have to self medicate in one form or another which is the awful truth.

I hope to treat myself so I can be a better person and maintain relationships and without using any sort of drug.

I'll avoid cheese etc and go on a MAOI diet if taking DMT, thanks for mentioning MAOIs.

If its a tool that helps, thats a good thing right?
 
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That seems like kind of a shady way to try and get reliable data for prescribing a substance; without proper medical credentials. There is nothing terribly reliable in the internet. Even when they go through the proper channels there is trial by fire where millions of people start taking it.
Doing it your way gets you stuck with the consequences and no one else will take any responsibility for what happens as a result or produce any hard data.
I do not mean just you.
Not having friends is not that unusual. Do tell me what is doing you from having friends. Are you sure you want our need friends?
Say what you will about western medicine but I would not consider eastern medicine doing any better job for you, maybe just now variety and low costs.
 
I feel like western medcine has failed me (so I'm at no loss relying on erowid vs a DR; they haven't helped to date) and they are just after my money and not actually interested in actually curing me. Just get me on a life of expensive drugs that have awful side affects. Now its onto eastern medcine which may or may not help. As far as relying on youtube I try and stick to the likes of "qualified" people like Terrence McKenna and Professors e.g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ77tlV72Bk (Harvard Professor).

I have no friends as I either suck as a friend to them and they don't want to be around me or I self sabotage the friendship in one way or another. I'm just not a good friend, I'm very selfish. I mainly keep a distance now and most people are just colleagues or acquaintances to me. There is no one I have a (close) relationship with that I could rely on.

I'm trying to convince myself to exercise more (I'm a bit overweight but definately not obese), so who knows going for a run and getting a release of endorphins is all I simply need?

It just that with the sexual abuse, my history etc it all "gets too hard". Also thinking about working ie getting another job just causes extreme anxiety for one reason or another. Since the 2nd stroke in June (I'm 31) my right hand shakes sometimes (if say pinching with thumb and index finger). So it makes my occupation a bit difficult, so it appears I have to go back to school and learn something else. It doesn't sound so bad but thinking about going back to school scares me. Everything scares me now in one way or another; I'm anxious all the time.

Maybe I'm grasping at straws expecting drugs to help, but something in me has to change and I look to drugs to help me make the change I need to get better.
 
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If you take a MAOI and are on SSRI you may die. So please be careful.
You can extract DMT and then smoke it, this route will not require MAOI
Start very low and then work your way up very slowly. See what it does for you.

Still, MDMA would be better first. It's much milder
 
Yep I'm aware of serotonin syndrome, ssris & maois etc causing death. If it helps I'm not on any anti depressants (ssris) as none have helped.

I only got the strokes as I was living a bad lifestyle I don't have high blood pressure but its higher than most since I'm so anxious all the time.

Futhermore (ignoring the MAOI aspect) I read that DMT is a fast acting drug that you smoke, it does raise the blood pressue but death (other than ego death) has only occured on DMT in a few cases it has led to death (indirectly).

Thanks for your concern, its appreciated.
 
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Will have to research mdma more and maybe give it a try over everything else, just hope I don't suffer from its negative effects.

Its great you are happy while on it due to the serotonin release, but its concerning the next day you'll be majorly depressed because of the lack of serotonin in your body (go eat some bananas the day before?). At least this is what I'm led to believe that happens or is it like refer madness and false propoganda against MDMA? http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_effects_hangover1.shtml I don't need my symptoms getting worse or leading me to comitting suicide :-/. So thus why I'm doubtful on mdma use. That said http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/sep/16/mdma-drug-experiment-channel-4 gives me some hope.

My aim is to be happy or otherwise content while off drugs and not be on them. So if MDMA can help me heal (ie not needing drugs to be content/happy/at peace then I'm all for it).

MDMA + YOGA? And then just Yoga by itself on a continual basis so man's laws don't get in your way e.g. the availability, legality and financial implications of drugs. Futhermore the brain can make its own "drugs" and there is no reliance on external drugs. http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/01/taking-ecstasy-can-deepen-your-yoga-practice/ & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svX3fEdVTLQ

After watching some vids, here and elsewhere even tho I'm unqualified (tho who is best "quanlified" than me?) I rekon my anxiety has worsened to agoraphobia to some extent. Don't get me wrong I don't get a panic attack when going to the shops but just thinking about running errands causes me to feel unwanted anxiety. The simpliest things causes (moderate/extreme) anxiety, but once I actually do it I'm fine. I just could do with out having to work up so much courage or energy to go do the simpliest of stuff

If you can respond with any advice or answers to and or all of my questions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for all your comments.
 
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pmoseman said:
Don't believe the propaganda period.
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I am led to believe the Tuesday Blue occurs when you interrupt the sleep cycle and typically when people have been on it and raving.

As I expect not to do any of that I should be fine.
 
The possibility of post-MDMA depression and anxiety is not propaganda and the possibility has nothing to do with whether or not you go raving while on it
 
when self medicating with LSD you really have to put effort in curing anxietys or depression, it's not like some magical cure that wil take away all your problems. You will really heave to take time and look at your problems/personality from a different perspective to see what you've been doing wrong.(worked quiet good for me)
 
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