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Actual harm reduction for Oxy!

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Feelin-u4ia

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We might die from all the medication, But we sure
so basically its a harm reduction / getting high question so best of both worlds.

my tolerance is at about 500 mgs of hydro. (without even getting as high as i want to be)

iv taken prolly OVER 450 mgs of oxy AGAIN (without even getting as high as i want to be)

I want to try a new dose and I want to take safe recommendations I was thinking about taking 400 mgs, then another 100 mgs 15 mins later, then about another 60 mg or so 5-10 mins after that..

idk if thats decent at spacing or not? In past expirences if i space apart too far it becomes a waste, now i know its a getting high question but I also dont want to OD so i want to know what a big heavy guy like me with a very heavy tolerance might be able to chow down.


also how can i combat nodding out as I hate it and its useless is it ok to drink a energy drink upon noticing nod? to me nod is just useless falling asleep/waking up cycle, nothing enjoyable.


ALSO! what are sypmtoms that i want to look for of overdose that i might feel incase i decide to try 600-650 mg or so.. just things to keep in the back of my mind for the sake of harm reduction, (and please dont give me "DONT DO IT" answers) thank you very much and cheers :)=D<3
 
If you don't like nodding out then pick a new drug. The reason you don't get as high as you want to be off of that amount of opiates is because nodding off is the next level of being high. There's not really an in between phase where you're floating, warm, and content but still able to keep your eyes open and be coherent. If you've got a habit you're either well enough to function, dope sick, or nodding off.

Also how are you taking these drugs? Cause the difference between popping a pill and getting to the point is about the same as snorting a line of coke and smoking a rock of crack, it doesn't even feel like the same drug. Not gonna tell you you should be slamming, but that might be the only way to get that euphoria you're looking for.
 
burn2shine said:
If you don't like nodding out then pick a new drug. The reason you don't get as high as you want to be off of that amount of opiates is because nodding off is the next level of being high. There's not really an in between phase where you're floating, warm, and content but still able to keep your eyes open and be coherent. If you've got a habit you're either well enough to function, dope sick, or nodding off.

Also how are you taking these drugs? Cause the difference between popping a pill and getting to the point is about the same as snorting a line of coke and smoking a rock of crack, it doesn't even feel like the same drug. Not gonna tell you you should be slamming, but that might be the only way to get that euphoria you're looking for.
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I do them orally but I was told to try plugging, I'm on day 5 of a break and was planning a pretty hefty dose prolly oral, any thoughts on the mg that would best get me to the euphoria ? Thanks in advance
 
Recommending doses really goes beyond the spectrum of harm reduction and is something that can unwittingly harm/kill another person. I couldn't in good conscience tell you how much you should do because I'm only familiar enough with my own tolerance to make that kind of judgement call.

And if you're on Day 5 of a break from that big of a habit you should be absolutely dying right now. If you're taking 400mg of oxy to get a buzz and haven't had an opiate in 5 days then any amount of opiate taken in any manner should make you feel worlds better than you do at the moment.
 
As silly as this is going to sound to you I do not suffer from physical wds. I really do not. I used to dose every day for about 2 months then I switched to 2 or 3 times a week, now only about once every week or every other week. I feel horrible for the rest of you, I am just really a special case, at worst what happens to me is cravings. But that is all as far as wds. This 5 day break that I took usally does NoThinG for me as far as tolerance. I understand it's bad to recommend doses but the reason why It might be a better idea is so that I don't overshoot it because without consulting with other heavy hitters (dosage wise) wise I prolly would of done something dumb like 700-800. This is why I'm seeking a reasonable amount that is Definetly over 500 mg

And to add to that I don't take opiates to make me not sick as I don't get sick, I'm just a euphoria seeker 
 
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Feelin-u4ia said:
As silly as this is going to sound to you I do not suffer from physical wds. I really do not. I used to dose every day for about 2 months then I switched to 2 or 3 times a week, now only about once every week or every other week. I feel horrible for the rest of you, I am just really a special case, at worst what happens to me is cravings. But that is all as far as wds. This 5 day break that I took usally does NoThinG for me as far as tolerance. I understand it's bad to recommend doses but the reason why It might be a better idea is so that I don't overshoot it because without consulting with other heavy hitters (dosage wise) wise I prolly would of done something dumb like 700-800. This is why I'm seeking a reasonable amount that is Definetly over 500 mg
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So you're asking for a number between 501 and 699? You know em...

I'm not sure your experience from opiates is going to change at this point. Have you thought of trying other drugs? Not the best HR but better than getting dependent on opiates, physically or mentally. Some people just have weak/negative reactions to certain drugs. Personally I don't get the "magic" from MDMA, but for plenty of people it's the bees knees. Have you ever tried MDMA? (or Ketamine? Both drugs that have strong euphoria but are quite dissimilar from opiates in terms of mechanism of action)
 
I don' think there are any drugs you can get euphoria from daily and act 100% sober on.. Good luck with that one.
And I dont understand how you can expect to function 100% sober and do drugs that produce effects you're seeking.

Regarding opiates for you, I also don't understand how you don't have withdrawls from that high of a dose and you're on a break. I'm surprised you haven't done heroin yet. They say that is the most euphoric. but considering your tolerance and for harm reductions sake, I would say your SOL.

Steroids come to mind if you want to feel and look great, but we don't know your age. But you gotta do your research before even looking down that path.
 
Crhonos, just to address a couple of things you stated...I don't understand how steroids are pertinent to what he is wanting...can you explain why you suggested that? I don't think the OP is concerned with "looking good" like you are talking about with the type of results using steroids gives...I think he just meant he wants to be able to use a narcotic and still look "normal" and able to function at normal levels of activity throughout the day.

Also, as far as drugs that you can experience euphoria and still act 100% sober, that is definitely possible for some people. I am opioid/opiate dependent and I also do not like to "nod". I take them and the goal is to feel euphoria and to also experience that "up lifting feeling", energetic and motivated..that is what I get out of opiates at the correct dosage. For me it is also a waste to take my meds/drugs and then just feel useless and unable to function and just be sleepy. I have also seen posts from many others here at BL that enjoy those same effects rather than what the majority of people who do opiates/opioids want to experience which is nodding.

As for the OP questions/comments..I am really curious about your use/habit. I'm not saying that you are not being truthful or that you don't know what you are talking about so please do not take offense as that is not how I mean it at all, I just find it really hard to imagine that you have a tolerance as high as you stated and that you don't have any problems with withdrawals at all, at any time. It is actually pretty fascinating if I am to understand what you are saying correctly. So how long have you been using hydros and oxy? How long did it take you to build up that type of tolerance? Also, I too am surprised with a tolerance that high that you have not moved on to IVing or to using heroin..I absolutely am not suggesting that you do so by any means whatsoever I am just surprised because usually people who use that amount regularly move on to something more effective and efficient.

Just so I can understand better, what form of hydros and oxy do you use when you are taking a dosage that high? For the hydros, do you do a cold water extraction to remove the APAP before you do them? If you are taking 500mg of hydrocodone at one dose, does that mean you are taking 50 tablets of 10mgs each? When you are doing the oxycodone at 450mgs each dose, are you using oxy tablets that are just oxy or ones that have tylenol in them? How large is the oxy tablets you are using, I mean, what mgs each? 30s? 20s? If you can supply a little more info I think I would be (and others probably also) be prepared to give you a little better of an answer to your questions.
 
burn2shine said:
If you don't like nodding out then pick a new drug. The reason you don't get as high as you want to be off of that amount of opiates is because nodding off is the next level of being high. There's not really an in between phase where you're floating, warm, and content but still able to keep your eyes open and be coherent. If you've got a habit you're either well enough to function, dope sick, or nodding off.

Also how are you taking these drugs? Cause the difference between popping a pill and getting to the point is about the same as snorting a line of coke and smoking a rock of crack, it doesn't even feel like the same drug. Not gonna tell you you should be slamming, but that might be the only way to get that euphoria you're looking for.
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I agree there gets to a point where you can't find a middle ground between the euphoria you use to get and a nod out high.

You could also just be satisfied with the high you are getting from 400+ mg of oxycodone. Or take a tolerance break b/c you probably could use one at this point. It is never going to be as good as it was when tolerance was lower and the tolerance will never get that low. You can keep pushing for the high you use to get.... that is how people end up dead, though.
 
Missmeyet.
I simply mentioned it because it's something I've heard of with other people experiencing. They've stated that when on a cycle, they simply feel the best they ever have been, as far as mood goes. I wouldn't discount it as something not being able to provide an elevated mood.

OP mentioned that he likes drugs where he can act 100% sober on and experience some euphoria. I feel it's a little difficult to obtain that sort of euphoria with opiates with such a high tolerance, while carrying on a sober like attitude and look. It's either not enough opiates and feeling sober for me, or just enough, and then I'm not acting sober.

I was simply mentioning some sort of alternative if OP happened to be in the market for something else since he mentioned that he's a "euphoria seeker". While it may not be the greatest I think it would allow to the OP to function 100%.
 
missme, I'm gonna go ahead and answer a couple of your Qs based on other posts the OP has made, as I am also very curious about the situation, since it is quite extraordinary if correct. The OP claims his tolerance skyrocketed to this level with only occasional use over ~6 months. He does do a CWE and uses 10mg pills (of hydro and oxy). He claims to use them infrequently enough to have no physical dependence or withdrawal symptoms but somehow has an enormous (nautral?) tolerance. In other threads he has discussed doing a CWE on 60 or 75 10mg norcos at once.

@feelin--sorry if I've misrepresented anything, I'm just very interested in your case/posts and wanted to move the discussion forward.
 
Crhonos said:
Missmeyet.
I simply mentioned it because it's something I've heard of with other people experiencing. They've stated that when on a cycle, they simply feel the best they ever have been, as far as mood goes. I wouldn't discount it as something not being able to provide an elevated mood.

OP mentioned that he likes drugs where he can act 100% sober on and experience some euphoria. I feel it's a little difficult to obtain that sort of euphoria with opiates with such a high tolerance, while carrying on a sober like attitude and look. It's either not enough opiates and feeling sober for me, or just enough, and then I'm not acting sober.

I was simply mentioning some sort of alternative if OP happened to be in the market for something else since he mentioned that he's a "euphoria seeker". While it may not be the greatest I think it would allow to the OP to function 100%.
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Ok, I see what you are saying about the steroids...I just didnt understand how it was related to this situation, but I understand your point now!

FeloniousMonk...do you think maybe he is losing a lot of the drug during the CWE and not actually taking that large of an amount?
 
I don't understand how you guys can even do that much hydro lol. I usually take the same hydro dose as my oxycodone dose, 15-30mg. Yes I know that's not shit compared to what a lot of people do but it does me alright for hydro, does me even better with oxy. If I take 15mg of hydro, I could definitely do more but to me, an oxycodone high is way more euphoric than hydro but I may not be doing enough hydro for that much euphoria. But damn I wish I could do that much and not W/D. That's insane, I have heard of it before though. One of my friends was a avid oxy user for a while but he never got addicted, he also did this with coke and never got addicted either. But the W/Ds can be good cuz it's your body telling you your fucking your life up haha. Just wanted to get that out, sorry I can't help out on the main questions:/
 
missmeyet? said:
FeloniousMonk...do you think maybe he is losing a lot of the drug during the CWE and not actually taking that large of an amount?
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I'm not really sure, it would kind of make sense, but he's done it many times so I'd assume he would have corrected any mistakes.

What's the max APAP that's recommended in 1 dose? 1000mg? 1500?
Even at that I think it'd be worth it for the OP to give swallowing maybe 5 Oxy 10/325s a try. That much APAP won't kill you and it would give him an idea if by some chance he's been making some error in the CWE.
Not the best HR I know but a once off 1625 dose won't kill your liver and it's better than doing CWE on 75 pills... Something bad is gonna happen taking one-off doses in the hundreds of mgs.
 
I wish I was lying about my dose, and besides getting a little patient and squeezing coffee filters my cwe is off the charts good. I am a special case I have never been in the pains, sick, throwing up, shitting a lot, none of that... I do get paws tho, cravings and what not but never once been sick. Call me a liar or whatever it doesn't matter, in happy about that. I extract all my 10s and oxy is usally 30s IR no apap..
 
wow I have no idea what's going on with your body for you to be able to do so much oxy with no bad effects. The most likely of unlikely conclusions I can think of is that you are taking stupid doses(somehow not OD'ing) and you're really not dependent in the first place because your spreading them out? How often are you dosing? You may want to get your intestines checked or something. I know a guy who had an illness that required him to have one of his intestines removed(don't remember which one large or small) & he had to take 3-5x the normal dose of any oral drug to feel the same effects as a normal person. Maybe you have something like that going on, it might not be the intestines, who knows. But as far as taking any sort of break, like 5 days, and going back to taking a huge dose like 400-600mg, is insane. Even if you've been able to do it in the past, I would refrain. There's some X factor going on in your body and until you know what it is, I wouldn't be taking those risks.
 
Sorry I can't just edit my post, but I noticed you said "I used to dose every day for about 2 months then I switched to 2 or 3 times a week, now only about once every week or every other week".
When you were dosing everyday, were you using such massive doses?
 
Sorry for the triple post, I don't know why it's not letting me edit. But I just thought of something I really need to tell you. DO NOT take that dosage a different way(have you ever?). If there's something weakening your dose the oral route, that may not come into play when you plug or use a different ROA. You could plug 600mg oxy and OD.
 
Thank you for your replies, I am certain that tolerance is my issue, back when I was just a green horn i remember 3 norcos put me in a super good ( good ol days) What I did was I just pushed my limits to new levels too fast.. and just upped tolerance so high, As I do more and more research I see there are others like me that cram anywhere from 500 up to 1600 mgs of oxy or hydro. I guess im just trying to find out for the small percent of us, I do know even with cwe i am still getting a very large dose of apap, I guess iv learned to cope with that. Im sure if i started using every day I would probably get very nasty physical wds.. im just thanking god im not there, atleast yet.

back when i was taking every day, i would prolly do a dose of 150 mg 3 sometimes 4 days out of the week.. Iv done really stupid things at doctors and what not, I cant believe I didnt get put on a no meds list.. But we all live and learn, and grow, and besides the fact that my tolerance is only going up, I am only learning to deal with not using more and more each day. im proud to say that I can put this behind and never use again. but why? its too much fun sitting on your ass playing video games and being all euphoric.. sad but true, anyways thank you all for replies.
 
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