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Would you consider Dextromethorphin as a psychedelic?

Maybe its set and setting. DXM is the only drug that I ever made sure I had the conditions set perfectly when going on a third plateau trip. At night, with grandma asleep, water nearby, CDs picked out, headphones on, a full pack of smokes, and my bed.

Even when conditions weren't perfect, I still had a great time.

I wonder if its possible that high doses of DXM trigger bromism though? I don't know if HBr causes it or not but bromine poisoning has some cross over with some of the effects of too much DXM so it makes for an interesting theory.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
DXM's closed eye visuals are highly "psychedelic" ....different from the serotonergic psychedelics... more immersive and everybit as beatiful and amazing....people that bash DXM just don't get it, aren't cut out for it, havn't given it enough chances etc.


the close eye visuals of DXM have been better than those of ketamine and mxe in my opinion. they are much more beautiful and detailed even though you are not "tripping as hard", better CEVs with less intoxication required compared to ket and mxe.

DXM just lasts too long.....everysince I've had mxe, I havn't tripped on DXM, and to be perfectly honest, I feel something is missing. the experience isn't as good. MXE feels cleaner, and is more managable for day to day use but the overall experience is not as good as DXM i would say in terms of CEV's and music enhancement.
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I know what you mean. It's been months since I used DXM and I still feel it.

I get CEVs whenever I keep my eyes closed long enough to notice. Liquid images swaying around my dark vision, they are never ending.

I get OEVs when I'm in a pitch dark setting. Everything I see would dance, moving around and never still. If I stare for too long my entire vision would supress as if I lost my sight. This goes away when I blink.

I get flanging and tracers constantly.

If you don't call that paychedelic I don't know what you will.

DXM is psychedelic but it's not a psychedelic.
 
Cuhpcakes said:
I know what you mean. It's been months since I used DXM and I still feel it.

I get CEVs whenever I keep my eyes closed long enough to notice. Liquid images swaying around my dark vision, they are never ending.

I get OEVs when I'm in a pitch dark setting. Everything I see would dance, moving around and never still. If I stare for too long my entire vision would supress as if I lost my sight. This goes away when I blink.

I get flanging and tracers constantly.

If you don't call that paychedelic I don't know what you will.

DXM is psychedelic but it's not a psychedelic.
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ive never experienced any lasting effects from dxm use (heaviest was for 1 month, using 300-500 mg 3 or 4 times a week)
 
I can't say that I had any lasting effects either and I was doing it at least three times a week for the better part of a year.

2C-I and 5-MeO-AMT gave me HPPD but not DXM.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
I can't say that I had any lasting effects either and I was doing it at least three times a week for the better part of a year.

2C-I and 5-MeO-AMT gave me HPPD but not DXM.
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DXM is commonly known to cause lasting HPPD along with diphenhydramine. Everyone is different though, keep that in mind. Statistics mean nothing about the individual.

I don't even care about this "HPPD" I just learned to live with it.

DXM is better alone, in a peaceful state. When I was with others I would offen space out and express gestures that seem... odd. Like asking my friend to punch me because he was upset.

I think DXM gets its bad rep because so many children take it. Also, the fact that's it's readily available and easy to obtain isn't embellishing(making more beautiful) its status.
 
thenightwatch said:
DXM is psychedelic when you first start doing it

do it too much, though, and it just gets you high
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Holy shit I hope it's not irreversible... I found DXM deeply rewarding an mysterious, if that's make any sense^^ But I used it once a week for 2 months instead of codeine. I wanted to escape reality with a more psychedelic tone than just codein shit. And now I really don't feel the effets as magic as the begining. I stopped and hope it will come back! Stopped to use it as an escape way.

Love dissociatives :)
 
Unfortunately when you "lose the magic" in regards to DXM, there hasn't been a method found that is proven to restore it. Even after waiting years of not using dissociatives, I still got minimal effects from DXM the last two times I did it from a dose that would have had me out of my gourd previously.
 
thikal said:
Holy shit I hope it's not irreversible... I found DXM deeply rewarding an mysterious, if that's make any sense^^ But I used it once a week for 2 months instead of codeine. I wanted to escape reality with a more psychedelic tone than just codein shit. And now I really don't feel the effets as magic as the begining. I stopped and hope it will come back! Stopped to use it as an escape way.

Love dissociatives :)
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Just don't dose too often(once a week is very often) and you'll appreciate the effects. Your body will also be grateful.

Dextromethorphan is an interesting substance. The effects are just so odd and weird.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
It is a psychedelic more than any of the other dissociatives. Remember that dextromethorphan is actually exceptionally weak as an NMDA antagonist and functions primarily as a non-selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor and sigma-1 agonist, it is dextrorphan that has the high NMDA affinity.

It can easily be argued that the potent serotonin reuptake of DXM is what adds a psychedelic edge to it.

How many of you have actually used DXM enough to know what it is all about other than on paper? Just curious here because DXM has actually produced some rather profound psychedelic experiences for me and others that I know, certainly it is much more of a psychedelic than ketamine, MXE, or PCP are. I've had psychedelic experiences on DXM rivaling the likes of LSD and mushrooms. Don't be so quick to dismiss it.
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The trick as I've learned it is to mix moderate doses of it in with psychedelics. I remember 250ug LSD + 354mg DXM getting me to a very special place -- it almost seemed like the serotonergic effects of both the LSD and DXM began to blend and synergize so as to "smooth out" the rougher edges of NMDAr antagonist action that can make DXM unpleasant. Didn't even feel nauseous during it either! Maybe it was meant to be. Either way, I only get the urge to do DXM a few times a year maybe, it does seem to have a somewhat sketchy pharmacological profile overall. But that's part of what makes it so interesting, I think. And all interesting things are polarizing to an extent, it just seems a bit more obvious with DXM, stigma aside.
 
Dissociatives and psychedelics in general are two completely dissimilar types of drugs but can produce really similar states of consciousness that a lot of parallels can be drawn between. There's nothing similar about dissociatives and psychedelics beyond subjective associations of their effects and there should be absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that's experienced a fair amount of both types of drugs that they are completely different, night and day experiences.

That said, DXM is an extremely shitty dissociative in any regard. It's confusing and it just feels gross and closer to some kind of deleriant that a good quality dissociative hallucinogen. I've had profoundly trippy, enjoyable and VERY subjectively "psychedelic" trips with ketamine, PCP and MXE that all had qualities unique to that particular substance thwt I could appreciate. Thus, all of those are quality dissociatives in their own right. DXM is just not in the same league. Pharmacologically, it's not even in the same group of drugs. It's not even fair to call it a dissociative hallucinogen in the same respect as those drugs because its technically not even that similar of a chemical if you really want to get down to it, it just has effects at the same receptor sites.
 
def psychedelic [as well as dissociative] but u dont have trippy visuals , you have profound visions
 
flip future said:
def psychedelic [as well as dissociative] but u dont have trippy visuals , you have profound visions
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This. Absolutely perfect description.

I'll never forget the day I was coming up on a high 3rd plateau trip, saw Isis appear out of my wall, had a blissful moment, and then an abrupt end to the trip. Never experienced anything like it since.
 
There isn't enough room in this forum to explain and describe DXM. DXM is almost on the lines of a 'higher pleasure'--to be philosophical. It takes empirical experience and understanding to truly appreciate it. It is more than a drug as it is an experience, most of the time an introspective experience. Used only with conviction and maturity, you can unlock the secrets to yourself. First, you have to realize that the drug has power over you, then you can proceed.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
This. Absolutely perfect description.

I'll never forget the day I was coming up on a high 3rd plateau trip, saw Isis appear out of my wall, had a blissful moment, and then an abrupt end to the trip. Never experienced anything like it since.
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These are the kind of things that I just don't get. I've taken what I've thought to have been very high doses of DXM and really they have never done anything remotely profound but just left me in a confused, dysphoric kind of state I could easily use to explain someone without experience with serotonergic psychedelics or dissociatives mistaking for "what it's like". I've always had some kind of interest in DXM because of things like this. I've kind of explained it away by allowing myself to believe its just some kind of deleriant type thing because that's the only way I could explain the way I felt when I took it. I don't think I ever hallucinated in any sense from eating DXM but if I were to have hallucinated that's the kind of thing I would expect from how confused it made me feel. Literally having no idea what is real. I guess I can see how that's like tripping really hard on a dissociative, which once you hit a certain point to me is like completely having no concept of if what I'm experiencing is real or not or whether time exists or I exist or anything ever existed in the first place. To me that's something in and of itself, though.

I guess what I'm really asking here is how does DXM work? Is it something that has a breakthrough level like salvia? It's never, ever worked for me and I've taken what I assumed to be high doses. I grant you I have never successfully used any brands of product that people normally seem to (the only syrup I've chugged without puking is Delsym, I did an extraction with several boxes of Sucrets DM that actually gave me the most substantial effects in terms of being enjoyable tht I've ever gotten from any attempt at a DXM trip, and any time I've eaten triple C's or those liqui-gel things I've always puked at some point before I'd say anything was really "going on"). I know a buddy of mine who loves DXM used to swear by these things called DEXalone but Im under the impression that they aren't produced anymore. It's a drug I've completely given up on ever understanding even though Im pretty sure there's something to it that I haven't experienced. If anyone has any advice on how to experience that something successfully I'd actually appreciate it.
 
i've never tried DXM, but i'm curious if you guys have taken purified DXM powder, or only cough medicines with DXM in them?

wondering if the pure powder gives a better experience..
 
pure powder definitely gives a better experience

you need to drink a small amount of alcohol with your dose for proper absorption, though
 
thenightwatch said:
pure powder definitely gives a better experience
you need to drink a small amount of alcohol with your dose for proper absorption, though
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This.

The definition of a psychedelic drug is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception. By this definition, DXM is absolutely psychedelic.

DXM produced the most "mystical" experience ever of any compound. No serotonergic compound has compared. Ketamine and MXE didn't really do the same. (I would be curious about ibogaine because it seems like that compound is in a similar space from reports I read.)

It would be interesting the active metabolite, dextrorphan, was available... I wonder if this would remove some of the problematic effects of DXM?
 
I never did powder. As a matter of fact, my favorite syrups were Robitussin Maximum Strength cough and K-Mart brand Tussin DM (yes, with guaifenesin, I didn't know how bad it was for me at the time).

DXM is all about set and setting. More than anything except very high dose acid.

electrodevo said:
DXM produced the most "mystical" experience ever of any compound. No serotonergic compound has compared. Ketamine and MXE didn't really do the same. (I would be curious about ibogaine because it seems like that compound is in a similar space from reports I read.)

It would be interesting the active metabolite, dextrorphan, was available... I wonder if this would remove some of the problematic effects of DXM?
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I only ever heard of one report about dextrorphan. It was described as lacking any depth whatsoever and caused a lasting tinnitus for a few days and just felt empty.

Like it or not, DXM works because of its unique receptor affinity profile.

DXO is not illegal and if it was found to be pleasant, it could be gotten from places other than actual scientific chemical suppliers.

With regards to ibogaine, it sounds nothing like DXM to me. Not to mention that its physical side effects are nothing short of alarming.
 
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