EADD: New (or relatively new) RCs - Tweakier and more moreish

[dopemegently]

Yeah, great advice man cheers; buying a massive supply when ive never even tried synths is prob a bad idea..its my "drug stockpiler" gene kicking in i guess. Ill keep a look out for ab fubinaca. My vendor doesnt sell anything by that name, just some meaningless numbers: sb22, b2ckb, ne1 etc.is it known by any other names do you know?

Ill guess ill just get 500 mg as a sample, see what these things can do. What is the actual duration of synth cannabinoids btw?

Edit: yeah, ive just found a supplier and prices are dirt cheap considering the strength. Even looked up wiki: "a potent agonist of the cannabis receptors" mmm...it was even marketed by pfizer as an analgesic for a while, at least if wikis to be believed.

Would a 1 mg dose be considered quite strong for somebody with a lo weed tolerance? Also, could the effects be compared to any breed or strain, or are synths a whole new ball game? The thing im really after is the energetic, dreamlike effects of pure sativa, obviously id like to avoid paranoia and anxiety (although i'm sure a couple mg of etiz could help in that case.-benzo and weed are a great combo ime)

 

[foolsgold]

2ne1 is a very good one closest to weed i found mild to start off with

here is a list

BB-22 Powder mild to strong
5F-PB22 Powder strong
5F-AKB48 Powder strong
STS-135 Powder mild
2-NE1 / APICA mild also damn nice but it stinks and the stink lasts if it gets into you computer or something with a fan you will be smelling it for months
MN-24 Powder unknow by me yet

 

[Shambles]

I'm thinking about ordering LSZ, can anyone tell me if it's worth it?

As you know, I tried this recently. We'd been up chatting all night with me "all trip'd 'n' treebound" when you posted this, m'dear

As you may have noticed, I enjoyed it. To be fair, I was also taking diphenidine throughout so wasn't a "clean" test but could definitely tell the LSZ effects enough to give a general thumbs-up. Perhaps it's just down to suggestion but I really did find it much as has been described: that AL-LAD and LSZ appear to be two distinct halves of the acidic coin. The former being all gigglez 'n' (extremely) pretty things but with zero introspection or overt "trippiness" and the latter being more along the mental side of the acid experience but not so big on the swirls.

To me it felt like a somewhat neutral, fairly mild psychedelic. Very clean and clear. I never felt like I was massively out of it but was still very clearly tripping. There was no euphoria as such, but I did feel generally good, positive and upbeat and noticed my thoughts tending toward the introspective and reflective and with a definite surge of empathy. It really did me some good actually. Had had things of varying varieties on my mind and I noticed I seemed to be working through stuff just below the surface without really pushing it myself. As such, I reached what felt like natural and pleasing outcomes for said varying varieties of thoroughly thingish things.

Head has been doing heady things recently cos I sent it forth to do so, heart hadn't quite caught up to confirm or deny head's workings but the two seemed to come together rather pleasingly during the course of the trip. I may have struggled to explain quite what I was thinking (even more so than usual, that is) cos I did seem to be really struggling to find the right words at times... but I kinda suspect that would be dissociative stuff.

Bleh. Much ramble for little content. Yeah, it's worth a go on, I'd say. 150ug was a nice starting point for me. Very much at the mild 'n' manageable end of the scale but never felt awkward or edgy like I do on low(ish) doses of some psyches. Added bonus that I had no trouble at all sleeping afterwards and had zero comedown of any kind the next day. Would need a higher dose to be worth taking alone for me, but I could really see it going great at these kinda doses with a lil 4-FA or 6-APDB or the like. Mmm... in fact that's what the other two left are being used with as and when

In other New RC news, posty-providing, got a couple grammes of methoxphenidine (MXP) to sample tomorrow. Supposedly the MXE to diphenidine's 4-MeO-PCP... will report back. It's a dirty job...

EDIT: Ooh! Thanks for the cannabbannabbaddabbanoids round-up, FG. Was actually gonna ask for such a thing cos have become very fond of 5F-AKB-48 recently but not tried any of the other current crop of legals so got nowt to compare it to and was wondering if I'm missing out on an even better Goody cos I just can't be arsed to keep up with all the chop 'n' change, alphabetti-spaghetti products that seem to come and go by the minute.

 

[RLP]

Please report back on MPX.

 

[Shambles]

Will do, Squirrely one

Just read the lil PD thread. Looks pretty promising to me. The chemistry bods don't seem too impressed with the chemical itself but the user reports (all two of 'em) sound decent enough. The main concern seems to be that it's quite long-acting so liable to fuxxorate a few of the hoof 'n' hope brigade a bit more than they may have been aiming for. Nobody seems to have a good word to say about diphenedine either, mind, so is looking rather promising to me. Those potential "problems" of extended alteration, manic tendencies and general dissociated badness are all very much in the plus side of the equation for me. Add in the fact it looks to be ~25% more potent by weight and I have fairly high hopes. Will get back come tomorrow if postal service does its postly duty

 

[RLP]

I just want to find a replacement for my low dose MXE.

I know, I know - it's a different chemical, you can never replace like for like.... but when I mean low dose I mean low dose. 5-10mg, never more. I'm hoping another dissociative will give me similar affects at that range - essentially just a very comfy bed and a nice chat with friends.

 

[Shambles]

I'd actually compare diphenidine to low-dose MXE, personally. It's kinda hard to be sure though cos my tolerance is so stupidly high I can't get properly fukked on any dissociative at any dose really these days. Is one of the things I like about diphendine though: (very) mild, generic dissociation good as a bit o' background fuzz 'n' comfiness, maybe even lil hints of euphoria, but nothing holey unless you really push for it. I can't imagine diphenidine even has a hole but I feel pleasant and sociable whenever I've taken it. Am kindasorta hoping this MXP stuff may have more along those lines (*titters*) but not really expecting it.

Meh. No point in premature pontifications, but from what you've said it may be worth trying diphenidine first as it has potential for the effects you are after whilst MXP sounds to be more speedy/manic. But yeah, blah-de-blah-de, and ask me again in a few hours and I'll hopefully be incoherent enough to have to put off replying till later :D

EDIT: And MXE is still available from overseas vendors - admittedly not regular supply as it sells out quick - if you don't object to ordering from abroad. Risk/reward and all that. If you only use 5-10mg at a time though a little goes a looooooooooooooooooong way so might be worth just buying a fair bit of the stuff you actually want and squirrelling away for a rainy day? No. I couldn't do that either but maybe you could :D

 

[RLP]

I could. I was only using once every month or so pre-ban and haven't needed to re-order since ban. Not really keen on ordering illegals from the net, not worth the risk for me.

 

[Shambles]

Fairy muff. Can certainly quite understand that. I never think twice about the legal status of wot I'm ordering cos is irrelevant - it ain't like I'm going to go collect anything if it ever did get stopped at customs. Actually, I probably would if it were definitely legal. But yeah, it's only cashmoney that's at any possible risk when ordering from overseas afaik but it's hardly a thing I could go wholeheartedly recommending to anyone if they don't already.

Might be worth trying diphenidine whilst it's about as it sounds like it should suit your needs (albeit at considerably higher dose than 5-10mg) and I'll see how MXP compares later.

 

[ColtDan]

Im gonna look into that diphenidine, sounds interesting

You like AMT right shamby?

 

[foolsgold]

cant be arsed looking through a big and dandy thread so il ask here what is the dose for 25c nbome ? as i know someone selling 4mg gel caps

 

[Shambles]

^ From memory, the caps I had were 300ug. Or might've been 600ug. Definitely nowhere near 4mg. 4mg?!? That could even be in OD territory. I wouldn't touch a 4mg NBOMe cap - no matter which NBOMe it was - with Spade's. Does the someone you know even know NBOMe doesn't work orally? And 4mg is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much to snort. NBOMes have killed people. Not the kinda stuff anybody should be punting when they clearly have no idea what they are selling is anyway.

Dosage (sublingual)

Threshold : 25-150µg
Light : 150-400µg
Common : 450-600µg
Strong : 700-1200µg

Duration

Total Duration : 4 - 6 hrs
Onset : 15 - 120 mins
Coming Up : 30 - 120 mins
Peak : 2 - 3 hrs
Coming down : 1 - 2 hrs
After effects : 5 - 24 hrs

Im gonna look into that diphenidine, sounds interesting

You like AMT right shamby?

I certainly do, Dan. It's the tits

YMMV and all that, of course. Is one of the properly good ones though.

 

[foolsgold]

just spoke to the guy its gel tabs not caps and he sending me one to try and cheers shambles il just split it into two and try it that way

got some free mdpv coming as well so i can see if it saves me ordering from abroad

 

[Funkadelica]

Would need a higher dose to be worth taking alone for me, but I could really see it going great at these kinda doses with a lil 4-FA or 6-APDB or the like. Mmm... in fact that's what the other two left are being used with as and when

As a fellow lover of 6-APDB, what's your opinion on the combo with 4-FA? Knock seems to love it, and I really enjoy the combo with MDMA but it's a bit messy. Is it a messy or energetic experience, or both perhaps? I remember having just a tiny wee bump during one of the earlier experiments and it went well but at higher doses I'm a bit unsure.

Still can't explain my previous, glorious experience with it. Had a little bit of BK-2CB during the day, some coffee in the evening and tonnes of booze on top of all that at night. Was in a fair drunken mess when I decided to rack up a few lines of the 6, little did I know what it provide me with half an hour later :D Saying that I've had booze with it before and always had good results.

 

[Transform]

As a fellow lover of 6-APDB, what's your opinion on the combo with 4-FA? Knock seems to love it, and I really enjoy the combo with MDMA but it's a bit messy. Is it a messy or energetic experience, or both perhaps? I remember having just a tiny wee bump during one of the earlier experiments and it went well but at higher doses I'm a bit unsure.

I could see this being a very good combination because 4-FA is lacking slightly in the serotonin department, especially after t+3h. 6-APDB is the opposite so they should compliment really well.

I took 5-APB with 4-FA for the same reason and also found it to be a great combo.

 

[knock]

Just a warning, the puking can go on just a little longer than is quite necessary. Just a heave or two, but it's not like opiates where you puke exactly the right amount. And it's more violent than mdma puking, just a little but it is.

 

[Funkadelica]

Dammit of all the times I've had both in my possession and never really thought about doing a proper combo...

Now I really want to do it. Typical. Interesting about the puking, that's something that never really happens to me with drugs, including aMT. There's always a first time I suppose.

Added to my ever growing list of stuff I'm going to try next year.

 

[Swarm]

Dropped 65 mg MPX (or whatever we're calling the new mxe / diphenidine mash up) about 2 hours ago and I'm pretty sure that I can place this in my top ten drug experiences of all time. I'm not really doing anything as such, just overwhelmed with the conscious experience.

 

[ColtDan]

I certainly do, Dan. It's the tits

Nice. i finally gave it a lil try on monday, aprox 30mg. seemed erratic for ages, wavey, introspective speedy with a audible effects, but it seemed indesisive in effects like it felt like a combo of stuff that kept coming and going, mild visual shift, then many hours later graced into a relaxing nice glowing mdma speedy type feeling. no sickness or anything. would have been nice if it stopped messing about

I took 5-APB with 4-FA for the same reason and also found it to be a great combo.

Sounds nice, 5-MAPB used to get me nicely spangly. i assume theyre similar

Just a warning, the puking can go on just a little longer than is quite necessary. Just a heave or two, but it's not like opiates where you puke exactly the right amount. And it's more violent than mdma puking, just a little but it is.

Opiates leave me puking more than i need to, never puked off MDMA though, nowhere near

 

[knock]

The opiate puke is a thing of beauty. Shame you don't enjoy it! It's like singing a song made of partially digested food. And wine.

Serotonergic puking is a bit, to my mind, painful! But it's over in a bit.