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Entheo's HOT-7 reaction

I just remembered that when vaping 10mg last week the 'HOT 7' split into a bright orange oily liquid as well as a clear liquid that wouldn't vaporize at all. The clear liquid ended up turning into a black resin that wouldn't vape at any temp I tried.
I believe the orange liquid was in fact a 2,5 dimethoxyphenethylamine as vaping 2C-T-2 also produced a bright orange oil that easily evaporated.
Upon further analysis of my trials what I am in possession of must be at least 2 substances, 1 being a 2C, similar in nature to 2C-T-2.
Had this been a pure substance it would never have split into multiple liquids correct?
 
wat different medications are you on entheo?

wondering if maybe something could have interacted w/ the hot-7, which is likely an maoi
 
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Roger&Me said:
wat different medications are you on entheo?

wondering if maybe something could have interacted w/ the hot-7, which is likely an maoi
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Alprazolam, clonazepam, and carisoprodal daily right now. Scripted gabapentin and Tramadol as well but it was 2 1/2 weeks of cessation before I dosed. Valproate semi-sodium as well but I don't ever take it, impossible even it's metabolites would be in my body.

No herbal products or vitamins for multiple days before dosing as well. I try to keep my body ready to go with psychs.
 
@Entheo, would you mind at all if I were to extract your HOT-7 issue into a new freshly created thread, or the HOT-7 thread? There are quite a lot of aspects to it that would seem worthy to go into and the social thread isn't really appropriate for all that. I don't want to invalidate your reaction and these talks, on the contrary. I'd rather give it the space it may warrant without being restrained to keep this social thread from being cluttered up.

The absence of this post here was bugging me... ~atara
 
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Mod it up Solipsis, I hate making threads that my turn to garbage and some of the more prominent posters were active in this thread while I was in the acute phase.
Ps: internal pain is getting worse, but I can't visit a doc until it seems life threatning/irreversible. Too much medical debt already.
 
Wow, I am sorry that that happened to you entheo

I have done HOT-7 2 times now (Well I THINK its HOT-7) with my doses being 25mg and 38mg respectively. The dose where I did 25mg I got to a ++ and the 38mg dose had me at a weak +++ for the first 2 hours of the trip until it settled down for the remainder. I believe that there may be a ceiling effect with this one.

Anyways, both time I tried it I noticed no more physical discomfort than other psychedelics, let alone pain. I actually found it pretty easy going physically and for a good portion of the time I have a positive body load. It is one of the few psychedelics that don't keep me inside my house because of the body load.

Seeing what you went through makes me hesitant on trying it again any time soon though. Does anybody know what impurities may be in the HOT-7? Would any of the possible impurities have the physical side effects that entheo has been experiencing? And would those impurities even be found in a large enough quantity to cause those problems?

I am just hoping that you got a bad batch, as terrible as it is that it happened to you. From my experiences HOT-7 can be a wonderful thing and I don't see why it would have those side effects. I have not heard of any other psychedelic phenethylamines having such severe side effects. Even the ones that seem the most dangerous (Bromo-Dragonfly, 25i-NBOMe, 25c-NBOMe, etc.) don't have such extreme long lasting side effects and seem to be fairly safe when you're conservative with dosing
 
entheo said:
I can't visit a doc until it seems life threatning/irreversible. Too much medical debt already.
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That's the fastest way to end up with a lot of medical debt -- taking care of problems before they become life-threatening is far cheaper! It is always a better choice not to end up in the ER.

entheo said:
I wish I could expose the supplier to keep other people from experiencing anything similar but alas that would get me banned in the name of harm reduction.
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Once we have enough information to reasonably conclude that it is indeed a bad batch going around from a certain supplier and not an unexpected interaction with something else you were on or some other coincidence, you can PM a moderator the name of the supplier and they will put up a warning sticky.

entheo said:
I enjoy taking heroic doses, I refuse to trip lightly so the HOT-7 experience was nothing scary on a psychedelic level.
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Enjoyment of strong trips aside, this is not a safe way to take drugs, hydroxylamine or otherwise. If you want to take a high dose of an RC in the future, start with a common dose and slowly move upwards. On any given day you are taking drugs, it is not the last day of your life -- hopefully -- and you will be able to take more when you have reason to believe it is safe. If you had reacted badly to 25 mg of HOT-7, this may never have happened.

Unknown compounds are just this: unknown, and we have no good way to predict what might happen if you take a dose much higher than what we're used to seeing.
 
atara said:
Enjoyment of strong trips aside, this is not a safe way to take drugs, hydroxylamine or otherwise. If you want to take a high dose of an RC in the future, start with a common dose and slowly move upwards. On any given day you are taking drugs, it is not the last day of your life -- hopefully -- and you will be able to take more when you have reason to believe it is safe. If you had reacted badly to 25 mg of HOT-7, this may never have happened.

Unknown compounds are just this: unknown, and we have no good way to predict what might happen if you take a dose much higher than what we're used to seeing.
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Sage wisdom here.

Even when you are experienced with a substance, you should never assume that a new batch is what you expect it to be. Allergy test it at a minimum or reagent test it along with an allergy test. I've fallen victim to vendors mixing up products twice and both times it could have been deadly (5-MeO-AMT for AMT once and 2C-P for 2C-E the second time) because I took my normal dose of each. I allergy tested everything after that.

Sorry this happened to you entheo but you really should go see the doctor, especially if you have a family history of hepatic problems.
 
I'm giving myself 48 hours to feel any improvement and then it's time to visit the ER. Since the dose in question ive been experiencing emesis everyday, with what seems to be blood. Any speculations on what could possibly have occured internally?I'm just so hesitant because I'm already tens of thousands of dollars in medical debt, but of course irreversible organ damage is not something to put a monetary value on.

The dose in question was not from an unknown batch, what's worse is I actually titrated up to that dose with each doe increase having similar side effects, relative to the amount of material consumed. I guess I was so set on truly experiencing what I believed to be HOT-7 that I ignored my intuition and common sense and dosed repeatedly anyways.

As for testing, I am obviously aware of pill reports, but the energy control site I was directed didn't seem to have any way to be translated to English. Once I can come into contact with a member of the EC company I plan to send off what I have in order to find out exactly what I ingested. I've done a few preliminary tests and it's boiling point was not where it should be, and when put on a hot pan as psoodynm suggested the material split into 3 seperate substances. I've never observed that phenomenon, but as a non-chemist I cant confirm that it is indicative of anything besides it not being a pure substance.
 
I'm hoping the best for you brother, my guess is that it is an impurity or that it degraded. Maybe you should try something that will help clear your liver out.
 
Yeah but not nearly as much, mostly in the middle of the night. It's turned into more if an abdominal inflammation/tenderness situation.
I'm slowly recovering though I think, I don't feel like I'm in the acute state anymore. But I've gotta stop taking my medication if I want to asses it without any algesia/muscle relaxation/sedation involved. Somas and clonazepam provide substantial relief from the pain, whatever that is worth.

I'm still furious with the source, mad at myself for not taking extra precautions.
 
Sucks to hear all that entheo.. take it easy

By the way if you try to vape but overheat then even pure products can quickly degrade into 'random' other chems which can obviously have different properties although not *that* different. For something like HOT-7 I imagine that since it is a phen salt, the mp/bp is too high so a quite substantial amount would turn into crapola even when you try to vape it gently.
And I still don't think you can do serious purity analysis on the way a drug looks when you are trying to do that to it. But I don't mean to be all harsh and it's still every bit as possible that you were given vile stuff...
Just please don't push the envelope and take care of yourself :)
 
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more than once on more than one site various members each chucked in a couple of bucks and send it of to Energysomething to get good testing done, it was worthwhile too as it showed some real shady stuff like having a gram of a 2c be nearly 50% NaCi and it proved an acetyl fent/2c-b-fly synth was nothing more than pretty inactive
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Those ran about ~$140 dollars and were done through ecstasydata.
 
entheo said:
Yeah but not nearly as much, mostly in the middle of the night. It's turned into more if an abdominal inflammation/tenderness situation.
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I'm extremely concerned that this is not going to resolve on its own. Poisoning cases often involve a separated "acute" phase, some sort of dormancy, and then you die. See, for example, Karen Wetterhahn. She felt nothing for two months after being poisoned by dimethylmercury, but eventually died. It's not really something you should be taking chances with.

Go to the doctor. You've been puking blood for a week. Jesus.
 
I found this thread via the search engine and now I'm a bit worried.

I have a sample of HOT-7 on the way from what I suspect might be the same batch as the one mentioned here. Did anyone else have a bad reaction to it?

Until I'm advised otherwise I'll probably be putting this into long term storage.
 
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Any updates entheo?

I have received supposed HOT-7 twice now and I have used it 4 times now in doses up to 36mg. I didn't experience anything like you. I rather like whatever it is that I received but I'm worried with this happening to you
 
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