friends turned dealers.. how things change!

[Blind Melon]

Right. There are exceptions though. While most of my friends turned dealers eventually did me dirty, a few stayed true. And once or twice I've actually become good friends with my dealer, to our mutual surprise. Whenever I have an abundance of something I always try to hook my friends up, but there have been occasions when the difference between a homie-hook-up-price and retail was the difference between me being well and/or eating.

 

[tomatalli]

Yep irs funny how it all works isnt it? I had a friend last year that i would hang out with all the time, we'd aalways share shit when we had extra amd we both got into doin dope together. Once started dealin heroin he wouldnt even fromt me a half b when he used to front me a half ounce of weed all the time, like u said hard drugs change people

 

[Felonious Monk]

It's hard drugs more than anything else that breaks friendships because even if you're doing yourself you don't want to hang around other people who are getting it from you, since there is a very finite supply, but an unlimited amount you could each use. Plus you don't want other people seeing where you keep your stash, and there's always more business to be done with super-paranoid sick folks...
But with soft drugs (like buying bud or psychedelics), you're more likely to get stuck there just chatting, since it's more social. You smoke me out, I'll smoke you out... Somehow, I'll shoot you up, you shoot me up doesn't have the same catchiness...
I've found the same thing happen to me though, but it's just as much the people get caught up in their world and forget about friends.

 

[bennyZA]

i know. but I'm also saying he's not my friend because I am an addict. I am more of a customer than a friend nowadays; as many of us turn out being... right?

Yes, it's pretty standard. In our world, maintaning habits is much more important than maintaining relationships. It also kinda sounds like you guys were friends of convenience, you know, you wouldn't be good friends unless you were thrust into that original situation. How good of a friend was this at one point?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yes, it's pretty standard. In our world, maintaning habits is much more important than maintaining relationships. It also kinda sounds like you guys were friends of convenience, you know, you wouldn't be good friends unless you were thrust into that original situation. How good of a friend was this at one point?

well, to those of us who have been to prison/rehabs/detoxes, etc. you always find that one who you "think" will be helpful on the outside world and can understand where you are coming from and what you've done. someone who has your back and doesnt look at you like the rest. that was he and I at one point. but thats when we were both still "sober". before you know it we were both back on drugs and friendship became a thing of the past. although, as mentioned, I still THANK HIM in a WEIRD WAY that he has stopped answering my calls and communicating. it lets me lead a sober life; although I can get dope elsewhere he was my "easy" connect.

I wish him nothing but the best but he has a hard life ahead of him. he's just a sniffer and I am NOT saying sniffers dont suffer too, cuz they surly do and they surly have to spend a lot. but man, once that needle goes into that vein you are completely FUCKED. you start to think of yourself different and what you do different. before you know it your OD'ing every few months and it's natural not to remember a fucking thing.

 

[JunkieDays]

how would he beat me? where did that even come from?

If I need to explain the process of getting beat to you, then forget it. It's inevitable.
Where did it come from? Uhh, well. Here's how it goes..
Best friend, hooks you up. Legit.
Doesn't hook you up anymore, starts to make you pay regular pricing.
Shit gets sketchier. Probably makes you wait longer. Bags are skimped. etc.
One day, he's down & out, low & under. & You become an opportunity.
Money's, money.

Or maybe by some small chance, your junkie dealer doesn't beat you. That's not very probable, but hey, it happens. I guess.

I never had a friend who was or became a hard drug dealer. Well, I mean, I have, but I never bought anything off them.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If I need to explain the process of getting beat to you, then forget it. It's inevitable.
Where did it come from? Uhh, well. Here's how it goes..
Best friend, hooks you up. Legit.
Doesn't hook you up anymore, starts to make you pay regular pricing.
Shit gets sketchier.
One day, he's down & out, low & under. & You become an opportunity.
Moneys, money.

Or maybe by some small chance, your junkie dealer doesn't beat you. That's not very probable, but hey, it happens. I guess.

lol. dude, where/how do you buy? one day he's down and out and what does he do to me? he robs me for what? my negetive bank account? or the money that I am going to try and steal from another? or maybe he robs me of the drugs that I WANT to buy off him but dont have the money to do it.

apparently South Jerz doest know friendship/dealer relationships. keep buying from the streets and is never a good thing. also never a good thing to buy from someone you were "introducted" to. buy from reliable sources, not street husslers (although some of us have to do that) or random folks you met once.

JunkieDays- your name says it all. you were junked out, right? then you should know better than getting robbed. when you were at your worst and you were down and out, what the fuck could i rob you for?

 

[slownerveaction]

I just bought baby shower gifts for a guy I know who once had a good connect for phenethylamines. "These are the Daves I know I know, these are the Daves I know..."

 

[Pill2Chill]

If you are a dealer and looking to legitimately make some money on it than your friends pay the same price everyone else does, especially low level dealers as there is not much profit to be made any way.
I don't think he's wrong here at all.

Agree for the most part. I do, however, think that the profit margin matters. e.g. if your friend is turning a 40% profit on normal costumers, he could charge 20% for close for close friends, and 30% for normal friends. For instance.. Would depend on the weight/drug being moved, I suppose. Close friends would get a discount from me, for sure. Very close friends.

 

[95Land]

You can kinda put a bow on this thing by saying that heroin can ruin any interpersonal relationship.
It could be really gradual, could be fast as fuck. It definitely will happen.

No matter how down and out, you can always get beat. A couple months ago I watched a girl bolt out of this kids car with 4 bags.
She'd known the driver for years and they copped together every day. I somewhat randomly ended up going along.
Between the two of them, they had enough cash for 4 bags. 4. Not much money. These two were/are the definition of down and out.
He hands the 4 back to her so she can pick the two she wants. A gesture I sometimes will do for a friend as well.
She's fucking with the bags a little, taking the band off, and she musta had a impulse cause as we came to a stop at a light, she bolted out the door with all 4. I wasn't gonna chase her for him cause I still had mine....
Point is, you can always still get beat. IMO. I completely get your overall point, tho. Heroin is remarkably destructive.
My best friend who's now clean and works as a drug counselor, used to run with me. I couldn't even count the number of times we were screaming at each other because one of us thought the other had shorted, one of us had been $5 short last Tuesday. That sort of shit.
Now that he's clean and i just chip, we get along like we always did prior.
Behavior is not exclusive to dope. IME, meth is significantly worse for this. But dope's pretty fucking bad.
BBT- You said this guy snorts 4g's a day??? How is that possible? Not trying to call you out. Just wondering.
The equivalent of 4 grams of glassines around here would kill me many times over and my tolerance is.... Not low.

 

[Jabberwocky]

its the drug taking over. but know your peeps, know your role and know the game. i alwas had the same peeps. 2 of them didnt use so I always trusted. the thrid was a jail buddy and would front me when needed, so I had no worries. you need to deal w/ better dealers. people who have money, who have life outside the brown bad, etc. those peopel are SAFE to deal w/. NOTHING worse than going through ONE junkie to get to the NEXT junkie. you will buy a gram but all of a sudden you get it and the bag looks ALOT shorter than it should. hmmmmmmmmmmm!? what happen? then I hear "kid, I swear I didnt take any; he's just been bagging ilght, blah blah". yea ok.

 

[bennyZA]

well, to those of us who have been to prison/rehabs/detoxes, etc. you always find that one who you "think" will be helpful on the outside world and can understand where you are coming from and what you've done. someone who has your back and doesnt look at you like the rest. that was he and I at one point. but thats when we were both still "sober". before you know it we were both back on drugs and friendship became a thing of the past.

Been there... People in treatment are very vulnerable, that's kinda the point, but you have to keep that in mind in the future. Don't matter if it's your oldest friend, drug dealing is about $$$ and drugs. My friends who became big time weed farmers, old friends, are super lame now even without the hardcore drugs. Money changes people, whether they can hold on to it or not.

 

[ohshea]

lol. dude, where/how do you buy? one day he's down and out and what does he do to me? he robs me for what? my negetive bank account? or the money that I am going to try and steal from another? or maybe he robs me of the drugs that I WANT to buy off him but dont have the money to do it.

apparently South Jerz doest know friendship/dealer relationships. keep buying from the streets and is never a good thing. also never a good thing to buy from someone you were "introducted" to. buy from reliable sources, not street husslers (although some of us have to do that) or random folks you met once.

JunkieDays- your name says it all. you were junked out, right? then you should know better than getting robbed. when you were at your worst and you were down and out, what the fuck could i rob you for>?

The little monies you have that you plan on buying dope with.

Maybe his sniffing habit caught up to him and he dont have a stash anymore, he answers your call and takes you for the few bucks you were going to use to buy a few bags from him.

Thats his point, why you keep trying to argue it? Hes just putting in his 2¢.

P.s.: Who you buy from has nothing to do with getting ripped off. Friends rip off other friends quite frequently. Especially since they are an easy target, most friends trust each other so the person will take advantage of that trust, taking off with the cash you gave them for drugs.

 

[omnipresenthuman]

who knows?

 

[95Land]

The little monies you have that you plan on buying dope with.

Maybe his sniffing habit caught up to him and he dont have a stash anymore, he answers your call and takes you for the few bucks you were going to use to buy a few bags from him.

Thats his point, why you keep trying to argue it? Hes just putting in his 2¢.

P.s.: Who you buy from has nothing to do with getting ripped off. Friends rip off other friends quite frequently. Especially since they are an easy target, most friends trust each other so the person will take advantage of that trust, taking off with the cash you gave them for drugs.

This is exactly what I was trying to get across in above posting the story about the girl taking off out of the guys car. This guy was/is a lowlife middleman and I was just with them randomly cause I needed a ride to pick up a particularly good stamp.
He and the girl got 4 bags total. That was all they could afford. Each get by on two bags the rest of the day. The definition of down and out. The girl still jetted out the car at a light and beat him for his 2. You're never so low that you can't still get beat for what you have.

 

[llama112]

I hate how friends always expect to get free stuff or discounted stuff from their friends. I mean, do you go into a store, see your friend, and expect free clothes or free groceries? Probably not. Your friend wants to make money, so don't expect a discount.

 

[JunkieDays]

The little monies you have that you plan on buying dope with.

Maybe his sniffing habit caught up to him and he dont have a stash anymore, he answers your call and takes you for the few bucks you were going to use to buy a few bags from him.

Thats his point, why you keep trying to argue it? Hes just putting in his 2¢.

P.s.: Who you buy from has nothing to do with getting ripped off. Friends rip off other friends quite frequently. Especially since they are an easy target, most friends trust each other so the person will take advantage of that trust, taking off with the cash you gave them for drugs.

Why thank you, Ohshea! I was trying to get my point across to him, but it just wasn't happening.. lol
You pretty much summed up what I was trying to convey. Very well put.

lol. dude, where/how do you buy?

I cop in open air markets, son.
How do I buy? Uhhhhh.... With money.... you know, the green paper stuff you bring to your dealer to exchange for drugs... Yeah, that! 8(

JunkieDays- your name says it all. you were junked out, right? then you should know better than getting robbed. when you were at your worst and you were down and out, what the fuck could i rob you for?

Uhh.. What do you think, man!? The money I HAVE to go buy a bag.. I mean, what are drug dealers for, right? Do you call your drug dealer and say "Hey, man.. Let me get 4 bags.. I'll pay you back next tuesday."
Is that how it works for you? Because that's exactly how you're making it sound.

apparently South Jerz doest know friendship/dealer relationships. keep buying from the streets and is never a good thing. also never a good thing to buy from someone you were "introducted" to. buy from reliable sources, not street husslers (although some of us have to do that) or random folks you met once.

That's quite a huge assumption & generalization. I guess boston doesn't know anything about not getting robbed & beat. Nor anything whatsoever about open air markets.
Also - Don't tell me how to cop. I've been doing this for years, kid. Guess how many times I've been beat in my lifetime? Once. & That was because it was the first time I ever tried to cop dope.
But, please.. Go ahead & enlighten me on how/why copping in an open air market is "Never a good thing" Cause really, I can't wrap my head around your logic.
& Before you even say it - Yes, one can develop a relationship with a dealer(s) in the open air market.


I don't know why it's so hard for you to comprehend this.. I mean.. wow.. I'll stop wasting my time then. You're obviously not getting the bigger picture here. In one ear & out the other.

 

[ohshea]

Bostonbrown- you claim SouthJerz doesnt know friendship/dealer relationships and not to trust open air/street hustlers...but, isnt the whole point of you starting this thread to complain about your friend-turned-dealer?

It doesnt matter who you cop from. I prefer my dealers not to be my friends because i like to keep it strictly business, but knowing them does have advantages (such as fronts, deals, etc depending on the dude) But, open air has saved my from the sickness many times, dont knock what you havent tried

 

[Jabberwocky]

I dont claim SouthJerz doesnt have friendships/dealer relationships; I just always hear of you guys street coping. I never street copped in my life; so that's a totally different game to me. each and every person on this board plays the game differently; although, we all have the same thing in common - DOPE!

Junkiedays - a dealer BEATING you is a waste; because guess what? they LOSE their customer; esp. since I was a 3x's a day type customer. so yes, thats what I meant by "why would he beat me". he would lose out on close to a thousand a week if he wanted to do that. pretty sure they are smarter than that.

I'm not buying anymore which is why this thread was originally made; I have no heard, seen or know the kid anymore. it's what I am saying about how drugs/dealers just kill friendships. It's also better for the both of us at this point since I am trying to stay clean and he has no reasons NOT to stay clean since he's running the streets and basically using for free/making cash.

everyone plays the game different.

 

[95Land]

a dealer BEATING you is a waste; because guess what? they LOSE their customer; esp. since I was a 3x's a day type customer. so yes, thats what I meant by "why would he beat me". he would lose out on close to a thousand a week if he wanted to do that. pretty sure they are smarter than that.

This would seem to make sense and to a rational person it would be a logical conclusion. But there's lots of illogical people.
I've dealt with a lot. A LOT, of different dealers. Some guys are just scraping by doing what they're doing but never fuck with(overcharge, skimp, flat out beat) their customers.
I've also heard and a couple times been around when a non addict dealer beat some kid for a few hundred just for the fuck of it.
Everyone has different experiences. You can't use broad generalizations to give a this is how it works kinda summary.
You seem to have been doing your thing for a while in Mass, Ohshea's been at it for a goodly amount of time out west, JD in Jerz, myself in CT.
We've all had very different experiences. Some places(Jersey) have quick and easy open air. Some dont(like here.)
I'm not saying you're wrong. You know what's happened to you. But to basically tell someone they're doing it wrong based on what you've read in this thread... I don't know. That's hard for me to except and I'd imagine that's why you're getting some people coming back at you.