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Entheo's HOT-7 reaction

what DID you eat on on that day/the day before?

overconsumption of food in any form could likely lead to excess tyramine/tyrosine/tryptophan

basically all food has some amount of one of those two, or both. the idea that turkey has an abnormally high amount of tryptophan is actually just an urban legend -- all sorts of day-to-day foods have similar or higher amounts of tryptophan.
 
A tiny bit of buttered pasta, maybe like a 1/3 cup all together. I took it orally so I fasted the entire day.
It was enriched macaroni product, but I don't think such a mines ile amount would blow the monoamine levels in my body out of the water.
Pihkal lists 22mgs orally as a +++, 56mgs orally was not even a full fledged ++ but there are reports of the same batch/supplier that is consistent with Shulgins dosing. Idk what went wrong, but it was intensely painful. A bit scared for my wellbeing. If I didn't have benzos I would have willingly hospitalized myself.
 
yeah wasn't the food then if thats all you had, was worth asking tho

hopefully just a botched synthesis, then -- i've had high hopes for HOT-7
 
I did too since I loved T-2, and T-7 was always a dream.
I'm not sure if it's a bad synth though, other reports from the same supplier ate very positive. Could be a genetic thing for me, and just doesn't gel with me.

So check this out guys, I'm about to get some LSZ and was going to dose 8x150ug hits= 1.2mg LSZ until I came across this report: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/688221-LSZ-450ug-First-time-quot-A-bit-much-quot

I would have been straight fucked. Ive eaten up to 4mgs LSD with 50mgs insufflated 2C-T-2 before so 8 sounded reasonable. I'm glad I did further research. Still gonna get 25 hits though I think, either that or AL-LAD.
PRO-LAD and ETH-LAD are still dreams though.
 
^I'm not really familiar with your personal situation, but judging from your posts in this thread I think your response most likely owes simply to consuming the 2C-T-7 while you were in a terrible place psychologically speaking. Do you take benzos frequently? They can cause havoc when used habitually (prescribed counts as habitually), especially if you've been off and on them a lot. How is you physical health?

People seriously over-attribute impurities of synthesis to their bad experiences. Think about it. Any such impurities have to be profoundly psychoactive in their own right, just by chance occurrence as being precursors, in order to have such an effect. There's all sorts of things that are part of our minds and bodies that are difficult or impossible to recognize as relevant to our personal experience of psychedelics, and so we naturally zero in on the most salient factors that present themselves to our judgment -- the chemical we've taken or the factors we imagine influence the composition of that chemical -- in order to draw conclusions about the causes influencing our subjective experience of the chemical. But just think about how you can eat things like plastic or ashes or synthetic fabric fragments and not feel a damned thing. There's so much we know isn't healthy that nevertheless does not have any psychoactive influence.
 
entheo said:
^ the run down is in PD social, told TNW about it in there. Had to take a few days off to heal my brain.
Kinda wondering if I gave pancreatitis or depakote indyced acute hepatitis since the abdominal pain is still quite present.
Brain feels 'off' in a way I've never experienced before without a seizure being involved.
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ok, so pancreatitis or hepatitis are not things i would worry too much about. a simple blood test (full metabolic panel) could tell you definitively whether or not its hepatitis if you're really worried (alt/ast/bilirubin levels). pancreatitis is really painful, so i think you would be in the hospital right now if it were pancreatitis. its usually on par with gallstones or kidney stones, its like full on 10/10 level pain.

i'm no doctor, but i would give it a week or so and if you still feel really bad then i'd seek medical attention. get a full metabolic panel at least.

also, hepatitis usually results in you turning bright yellow (or at least the whites of your eyes turning yellow, and not like "i think this might be kinda yellow", more like BRIGHT obvious yellow).

i would recommend taking it easy on the research chems for a while though, i wouldn't go jumping into an lsz trip anytime soon until your system normalizes. glad you're okay though, bro.
 
^ I take benzos everyday. I didn't have a negative mental trip, I felt poisoned and my vitals were way off baseline. I am a chronic pain patient, but nothing gastric like i was experiencing.

I enjoy taking heroic doses, I refuse to trip lightly so the HOT-7 experience was nothing scary on a psychedelic level. It was actually quite light, had it been more powerful I bet I could have dealt with the pain much better. You have to remember that ive never taken HOT-7 without more pronounced peripheral effects than any other psych I've ever taken. But I was optimistic, it just didn't go my way. I have 130+ trip under my belt, I feel like I would be able to tell if something were psychosomatic vs a quantifiable medical issue. Why would the pain and mental confusion still persist to this moment otherwise when I was barely at a ++?

@Roger-I'm gonna give myself a few months to relax and marinate on what's going in in my life right now before I even consider tripping again. Pancreatitis seems highly unlikely and I don't have jaundice right now but my liver is inflamed enough to see when I don't have a shirt on. Depakote maintance usually requires a full panel blood test every 2-6 weeks but I've never been administered one, so I want to set one up just to be safe. Renal and hepatic failure is fairly prominent on both sides of my family soni feel it's something I should do just I be safe. My pain is probably a 7/10, on par with when I had a completely herniated/torn hip flexor, just in the space my liver occupies obviously.

It'll all be okay, I really appreciate you guys talking with me and working out the concerns I have. Feels good to know you guys are out there.
 
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well, now that you say your pain is 7/10 and your liver is visibly inflamed, i would definitely seek medical attention and fairly soon. i didn't realize it was that bad. Still, I think you'll be fine, especially since you're not visibly jaundiced.
 
entheo said:
I am a chronic pain patient, but nothing gastric like i was experiencing.
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Fair enough. I didn't realize you had such a relatively uncommon and unfortunate medical status. That certainly changes things. It makes it nearly impossible to make any kind of reliable guess about such things as they regard "posters on the internet" since so many typical assumptions can't be relied on. I wish you the best in your recovery, in any case.
 
entheo said:
I didn't consume turkey because it was all gone by the Ike I got to it. But I assume the excess tryptophan/tyrosine could make a difference. I just don't know if it would be clinically significant.

The experience was very strange, definite phenethylamine appearance, taste, texture, visuals... But the somatic effects were so I intensely painful. I passed the HOT-7 onto Marijuanster; but he has no interest in bioassaying it any time soon either.
He was with me for the experience and noted that I was in obvious dysfomfort but my cognitive faculties were about 75% intact. That doesn't jive for what should be the highest recorded dose ever consumed from what I've read.

Idk Ill stick to the MET I just got and reup on 2C-C. Maybe it'll make it's way to the Chaz someday :)
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Anybody think that I possibly got sub par material that hadn't been fully reacted or washed correctly? I am still experiencing the internal pain, dementia like symptoms and general unease. The liver swelling has reduced a bit but not enough to forget about it... The HOT-7 wasn't the only compound I received, the MET had a slightly toxic feel to it as well- my brother reported this as well. Hell, the MET is the color of clay and has obviously absorbed water fromthe atmosphere-even te its not a hydroscopic compound. I'm beginning to think it was a really bad synth.
I wish I could expose the supplier to keep other people from experiencing anything similar but alas that would get me banned in the name of harm reduction.
The HOT-7 was by far the dirtiest feeling 2,5 dimethoxyphenethylamine I've ever ingested.

Ps: Thank you PD family, I know my mood can be erratic at times but I want to let every single one of you know I appreciate your concern and I feel so much better every time I reconnect with you guys.
 
I gave the remaining 80mgs to my brother.
Unless someone can hook me up with a lab that will MS/GC is for free it's not an option. I'd love to have it tested I just don't have the money to test a substance I don't intend to ever explore again, and I can alert users of this supplier on a forum dedicated to RC sourcing. I won't have the facts but it's all I can do.
 
Hmmm maybe we could pool a couple of bucks from anyone who could spare it and get it tested. Sad as well as from further reading I can conclude which shit vendor. Once maybe a good one but like the majority of nearly all persons with a sliver of some sort of "imaginey" power they become entrenched in their own malice\greed. Hope all the best ethneo!

P.S. Been meaning to PM ANB{AKA Always Knows West} about that 1-ethnyl since you seemed so interested! So drop me a line sometime if you want. Also great to see some old faces around like LL/Del/Rog/CC. I had missed your PD posts....sorry if I forgot anyone, quite fucking blasted on a myraid of things right now to sooth some mental anguish that at times is like my own shadow perputally chasing me. :{ I literally grew up reading some of some special few whom I felt like some were almost mentors to me back when I was 17ish or so! Always meant to thank PD as its a part of the reason who I am today! Without the support of BL i've lived much longer than I ever expected too, so once again thank you BL/its family of forum traverser's!<3
 
entheo said:
Anybody think that I possibly got sub par material that hadn't been fully reacted or washed correctly? I am still experiencing the internal pain, dementia like symptoms and general unease. The liver swelling has reduced a bit but not enough to forget about it... The HOT-7 wasn't the only compound I received, the MET had a slightly toxic feel to it as well- my brother reported this as well. Hell, the MET is the color of clay and has obviously absorbed water fromthe atmosphere-even te its not a hydroscopic compound. I'm beginning to think it was a really bad synth.
I wish I could expose the supplier to keep other people from experiencing anything similar but alas that would get me banned in the name of harm reduction.
The HOT-7 was by far the dirtiest feeling 2,5 dimethoxyphenethylamine I've ever ingested.

Ps: Thank you PD family, I know my mood can be erratic at times but I want to let every single one of you know I appreciate your concern and I feel so much better every time I reconnect with you guys.
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Clear out your inbox and anybody who reads your post can just PM you for a throwaway-email exchange and you can tell them off-site. It's unlikely that you will get people to pay to have it tested. What you could easily do for free is use a phone or better to video a close up of a sample of it dissolving in water and another sample close up of the stuff slowly heating to vaporization in a dark pan (for contrast, assuming it's light colored) as you heat it from cold on an oven burner. Then upload it to a free site and post the link. If a substantial percentage of the sample is composed of impurities, they will likely dissolve and boil and different rates than the intended compound and that will hopefully be detectable through observation. You do both tests to maximize the likelihood of somebody on the internet observing such a telling detail. You should also video a compound you are relatively certain is pure as a crude control for comparison.
 
^Said once will say it again psoodjim is a creative genius. He was probably one of my earliest BL mentors. I remember him, at least I think it was as this had to be many moons ago and I honestly can't remember the thread/details or if psood was trying to be sarcastic in regards to the OP/thread creator but pretty much all I can remember is talk of recideving fellatio from "God"\vice versa. One of those posts that makes you laugh hysterically in real life . Ahhh the old days! Once again <3 to all my psychedelic brothers/sisters out there!

P.S. It may not work here as BL is.....obviously "different" from the other "RC/etc." forums but more than once on more than one site various members each chucked in a couple of bucks and send it of to Energysomething to get good testing done, it was worthwhile too as it showed some real shady stuff like having a gram of a 2c be nearly 50% NaCi and it proved an acetyl fent/2c-b-fly synth was nothing more than pretty inactive nothings. Saved people money/time/maybe even some lives in the process. I guess I would have to admit its a bit selfish really as I dont know ethneo on any other site as far as I know....and I wanted to procure some HOT-7 myself/etc.
 
entheo said:
I gave the remaining 80mgs to my brother.
Unless someone can hook me up with a lab that will MS/GC is for free it's not an option. I'd love to have it tested I just don't have the money to test a substance I don't intend to ever explore again, and I can alert users of this supplier on a forum dedicated to RC sourcing. I won't have the facts but it's all I can do.
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in Spain they have free government GC/MS testing for drugs.... i used to know a Spaniard that i could ship stuff to and he'd test it for me.... even with the international shipping costs it was the cheapest option from what i could tell.... i fell out of touch with the guy though.
 
thenightwatch said:
in Spain they have free government GC/MS testing for drugs.... i used to know a Spaniard that i could ship stuff to and he'd test it for me.... even with the international shipping costs it was the cheapest option from what i could tell.... i fell out of touch with the guy though.
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Exactly what I was talking about pretty much just couldnt think of the name......I know its Energy something. Maybe Energy Control or something. Also cant believe some of the forgotten on my list...must edit when I get a moment!
 
Okay guys, I'm going to clear my inbox do all of you guys can be altered to who may potentially be distributing a toxic substance and hopefully we can find someway to get it tested. The distributor has posted in the B&D HOT-7 thread so their BL handle is easy to tell but I wanna get the word out through the proper channels.

Edit:Thanks psoodynm, I wouldn't have thought it would be nearly as easy to figure out the relative purity of my stock in that manner.
Well guys, feel free to pm me and we can take it off site to discuss whether or not the supplier is sending out adulterated substances, hopefully we can stop this guy from causing any health scares and subsequently clean up the market one supplier at a time.
 
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^ I won't, but I want people to be aware that we might have a possible 'scammer' on our hands, that has admitted to me reason why he would send out impure product.
Chazzy friend you still have my email?

Edit: I'm going to film the pan test tomorrow, once i find a suitable video camera.
Would 10mgs be sufficient for the test?
 
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