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San Pedro: why can't I just juice it?

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CoinFlip

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Hi Everyone... long time reader first time poster =D. I've got a tidy San Pedro in the back yard and am getting ready to ride the mescaline wave for the first time. I've done a fair bit of reading on the prep, and the most popular method is to knock up a tea (ie cut it up, blend, boil down on low temps for a couple hours and then increase the temp, stir constantly and when the serves enough for a small tea cup strain through a cloth, cool and then scull it. Total process taking 4 - 8 hours). The only thing is... I'm an efficient person (nice way of saying lazy). Why can't I just use a juicing machine to juice it? It removes all the fibre and extracts the liquid, taking 60 seconds. I can always boil that juice if I want to reduce the volume. Am I missing something? Is the heat from boiling somehow releasing more alkaloids? I'd appreciate any advice out there. Thanks, Coin
 
Absolutely it would work in theory, however the only thing is the nature of the material it may simply clog up your juicer.

Peyote doesn't need to be cooked and neither does San Pedro , I have also eaten San Peezy raw (de spined , cored and skinned first obviously ) it was disgusting and led to quite severe cramps but it worked. I prefer the tea method as it is easier on the nausea and I'm in no rush.
 
Fantastic feedback! Thanks. The link above had some cool options too.... This is going to be awesome....
 
Have you ever tasted it? Try just a little bit before spending all day preparing 2 feet worth. Most people find they take one sip, gag, gip and vomit and then never try it again.
 
I should be ok with getting it down.... That said, as I haven't tasted it, who knows?!?!
 
If you can run your tongue the full length of a homeless mans crack then you should be good to go drinking cactus snot. Good luck!
 
Since this is your first time and you don't know how well you'll tolerate the taste and texture and stomach a gut full of alkaloidal slime, I think you should cut a small piece off, juice it, then drink that first. That should give you some idea of what you're in for.

The problem doing your idea poses for me is that you're juicing all the flesh, and the more bulk plant matter you consume (a large part of which doesn't contain many alkaloids) the harder it's going to be to keep down if it causes you nausea. I've previously puked before enough of the alkaloids absorbed to trip using powdered dried green flesh Torch chips, and that's using minimal plant matter volume and skipping the drinking part by just using the high alkaloid portions of the cactus in capsules. However, these days I use a simple method to make a tea with almost no slime using just a tall transparent column (like tupperware for spaghetti noodles) and a turkey baster that you could easily adapt to juiced flesh.

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I powder chips by sticking them dry in a blender, put it in the tall container, add water, shake it a bunch, then stick it in the fridge over night. The slime that's made as soon as the powder starts absorbing the water eventually separates to the bottom of the column, leaving dark brown alkaloidal water at the top. I simply siphon the water at the top out with the turkey baster while making sure not to suck up slime, then add more fresh water. I repeat the process until the liquid at the top is nearly clear (maybe 5 times), which I take as an indication that I've gotten most of the alkaloids, then boil down the tea until there's around 500 mL worth (there will be a large volume of liquid). You'd need a very tall column to fit all that juiced flesh in at once, but you could just add water to a portion of the juiced cactus at a time or use multiple noodle containers. You need a few days to do this, but the method minimizes labor relative to every other common technique and yields bitter liquid that's far easier to get down and keep down, at least until the alkaloids are absorbed. It's comparable to ayahuasca tea but really significantly less disgusting for me, whereas drinking the slime is much worse than ayahuasca. Unfortunately boiling it down to a dry product and encapsulating it would be really problematic because I'm pretty sure it would be really syrupy.
 
Really appreciate the comments. Juicing a little sounds prudent. I tried to open your method, but it didn't open. Could you please repost. Thanks, Coin
 
Ismene said:
Have you ever tasted it? Try just a little bit before spending all day preparing 2 feet worth. Most people find they take one sip, gag, gip and vomit and then never try it again.
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Very true of San Pedro especially. It takes an awful lot of foul tasting liquid to get high and you never get high unless you ingest enough to be hugging the toilet bowl for a good portion of the experience.

Some people reduce the liquid by gentle simmering for hours and I mean hours. 6 + hours of gentle simmering to reduce the liquid to a dense foul tasting broth and removing solids. Most of the cacti, if properly prepared, should reduce and become liquid/syrup like. Don't pulp the core of the cacti it's the green slimy part you want, just the outer green portion pulped and slowly simmered/reduced into a dense foul broth. Bottoms up.
 
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I've tried all manner of preparation and I truly really believe it isn't worth it unless you extract.

I had such bad nausea from juicing and eating raw that I considered it a waste. Dehydrating and capping was better, but still took a lot of time and a lot of capping!

Either boil it down as advised here, or go to the Nexus, find the d-limonene tek, and follow that.

With vinegar and d-limonene, you'll still have to do a lot of prep work and the d-limonene will smell up your house and possibly give you a headache. Despite that, I found it worth the investment of time if you're already going to remove the core and skin and spines... Shit, that's the most tedious and time consuming part of the whole process anyway!

Regardless, good luck and enjoy!
 
lovepsychadelics said:
Some people reduce the liquid by gentle simmering for hours and I mean hours. 6 + hours of gentle simmering to reduce the liquid to a dense foul tasting broth and removing solids.
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I think 6 hours of smelling simmering san pedro is a pretty cruel punishment tho! And then you've got to swallow it!

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I can! Funny story, but this one time, at band camp.....
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You should be good to go then flip. Just take a deep breath, try not to sniff, and bring the cup to your mouth. Must admit I usually get the cup within a foot of my mouth before vomiting just at the smell.
 
CoinFlip said:
Really appreciate the comments. Juicing a little sounds prudent. I tried to open your method, but it didn't open. Could you please repost. Thanks, Coin
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Huh, maybe a browser setting thing. I only NSFWd for space (and because more people read things when they think they might see boobs). Here ya go:

I powder chips by sticking them dry in a blender, put it in the tall container, add water, shake it a bunch, then stick it in the fridge over night. The slime that's made as soon as the powder starts absorbing the water eventually separates to the bottom of the column, leaving dark brown alkaloidal water at the top. I simply siphon the water at the top out with the turkey baster while making sure not to suck up slime, then add more fresh water. I repeat the process until the liquid at the top is nearly clear (maybe 5 times), which I take as an indication that I've gotten most of the alkaloids, then boil down the tea until there's around 500 mL worth (there will be a large volume of liquid). You'd need a very tall column to fit all that juiced flesh in at once, but you could just add water to a portion of the juiced cactus at a time or use multiple noodle containers. You need a few days to do this, but the method minimizes labor relative to every other common technique and yields bitter liquid that's far easier to get down and keep down, at least until the alkaloids are absorbed. It's comparable to ayahuasca tea but really significantly less disgusting for me, whereas drinking the slime is much worse than ayahuasca. Unfortunately boiling it down to a dry product and encapsulating it would be really problematic because I'm pretty sure it would be really syrupy.
 
CoinFlip said:
Why can't I just use a juicing machine to juice it?
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I've always just assumed that it would make a huge mess of my GF's expensive juicer. IDK, though. If not, this would be pretty ideal.

P.S. You'll get differing opinions on how palatable San Pedro is. (I guess you have already.) I don't have a problem ingesting somewhere in the vicinity of 24 oz. of San Pedro tea. With the specimens I've used in my previous experiments, though, two or three times this amount -- if not more -- would have been more effective. That's getting up there just in sheer volume of liquid. :?
 
Great advice all around. Recently I've been evaporating my reduced brews to yield a resin, which is quite sticky. Rolling small resin balls with a bit of flour (to mask the taste) and then swallowing the "pills" works nicely. I'm interested to know what dose of HCl salt the OP of that juice tek takes normally. *Three* doses out of one foot of bridgesii has to be some strong cactus!
 
I was gonna say exactly what the above post says. Adding corn starch works great. I have used this for making decarbed hash oil pills.
 
I'm not sure which juicer you have, but a Champion with the flat plate installed was a great way to homogenize frozen chunks of San Pedro. I boiled it briefly, strained it, and boiled it some more to reduce the volume, then chilled it in the fridge to help reduce the revolt factor. Worked like a charm.
 
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