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Working with Atropa belladonna

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Hi all. So I was wondering if anyone has experience or tips they can share about working with deadly nightshade. I want to know if anyone knows how to make belladonna eyedrops and if they have a psychoactive effect and what's a good way to start working with this plant. <3<3
 
I also have interest in working with this plant, and I have recently asked one nearby to have one of it's leaves. I will most probably try in the next couple months or something.

I have heard that the safest way of dosing the atropine based plants is to brew a large amount of plant material, say 100 leaves, split it into 1000 parts, and find out the appropriate dose of safe delirium though *slowly* titrating the dose upwards. I think 100 leaves into 1000 parts would require anything from 2 parts to 15 parts to produce desired effects.

Edit, . A good way of splitting into 1000 , is to raise the water level to exactly 10 litres, mix well, and use a 10 ml syringe to fill small ziplock bags with 10 ml atropine tea, then freeze.
 
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Only thing I remember reading about it was a trip report (erowid?) on a bad trip where the guy said he saw a tree that was bleeding. How's that for a fun visual!
 
You're playing with death here. Seriously, there is nothing fun, spiritual, or otherwise about being delirious to the point that you're on your death bed. Avoid it at all costs.
 
Its not a drug, it is a poison that as a side effect makes you experience toxic delirium.

You will have a bloodpressure of 200 systolic and a heartrate of 200 beats per minute and this while you are in a state oblivious to monitoring your health. You might decide to run in thats state, eat a handful of top soil, take scissors to your erection, break your fingers by chewing on them. Or you may get a heart attack, heart rhythm dsturbances, a stroke, dehydration, all the while completely out of your gourd.

If you value your life, you will NOT take a fullblown deliriant dose of Belladonna, its as simple as that.

Very small oral doses, and by that I mean quantities of dried leaf less than 0.05gr, taken orally with weed does have its merit for closed eye hallucinations in darkness, but even that is dangerous as cannabis magnifies the risks of belladonna on the heart and, quite frankly, because unlike psychedelics, tropanes tend to have an Evil quality, and I mean that in the most medieval true to life way possible. It seduces you towards a Darkness you can't handle. Psychedelics tend to be life-affirming, but Tropanes tend to be death-affirming, inviting you to (self)destructive thoughts and actions.
 
hyperobjects said:
belladonna eyedrops
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While they make atropine eyedrops, they have a speicifc medical use, inducing mydriasis. There is no sane reason to use ocular administration for recreational purposes with anything.

elucidator said:
I have heard that the safest way of dosing the atropine based plants is to brew a large amount of plant material, say 100 leaves, split it into 1000 parts, and find out the appropriate dose of safe delirium though *slowly* titrating the dose upwards. I think 100 leaves into 1000 parts would require anything from 2 parts to 15 parts to produce desired effects.

Edit, . A good way of splitting into 1000 , is to raise the water level to exactly 10 litres, mix well, and use a 10 ml syringe to fill small ziplock bags with 10 ml atropine tea, then freeze.I have heard that the safest way of dosing the atropine based plants is to brew a large amount of plant material, say 100 leaves, split it into 1000 parts, and find out the appropriate dose of safe delirium though *slowly* titrating the dose upwards. I think 100 leaves into 1000 parts would require anything from 2 parts to 15 parts to produce desired effects.

Edit, . A good way of splitting into 1000 , is to raise the water level to exactly 10 litres, mix well, and use a 10 ml syringe to fill small ziplock bags with 10 ml atropine tea, then freeze.
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Sounds like a good plan if you're looking to explore the full spectrum of effects. I've worked with tea titration before with good results (though I've never attempted delirium), though my more recent experiences were just with dried leaf material eaten in small amounts as a mild sedative.

Pretty sure there are some extraction teks around here that might be more efficient, do some hunting.
 
Indeed, belladonna is I think italian or latin for beautiful lady, because the mydriasis induced by low concentration eyedrops was considered to enhance beauty, and there were other "classical" signs of beauty, apparently much more like written rules than how aesthetics are approached modernly.

Alcoholic solvents and perhaps acetone might serve as solvents for extraction but titration is imperative and I think every extract should be assumed to be pure hyoscyamine (as a worst-case scenario) which is synonymous with the more active enantiomer L-atropine. Kind of interesting and curious actually, how those synonyms are applied.

Quantitatively: the therapeutic index is apparently narrow so it can quickly get very dangerous.
Qualitatively: I think wanting to experience delirium is kind of twisted, I guess how it is warned about or forbidden and also probably unimaginably estranging sounds like unreaped territory and witchcraft to some people. While I am relatively very interested in reading other people's accounts of delirium I would much rather see everybody abandoning being intrigued.

Do you think that most people are either naively eating these plants based on vague rumors and poor understanding or so morbidly interested and full of disregard that there isn't much to say that would scare them instead of excite them even more?
If so, ahoy kinky fuckers... saying YOLO would probably be a step up for you even. Better hope your fascination doesn't cost you dearly... and actually if you would just open yourself up to what a lot of physically safe psychedelics have to offer I suppose it would easily seem ironic...
 
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Sounds like a good plan if you're looking to explore the full spectrum of effects. I've worked with tea titration before with good results (though I've never attempted delirium), though my more recent experiences were just with dried leaf material eaten in small amounts as a mild sedative.

Pretty sure there are some extraction teks around here that might be more efficient, do some hunting.
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Thanks, it's a useful way of splitting that I picked up from here a while back.

Eating small amounts of dried leaf for sedative sounds very interesting, how are the effects?

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Do you think that most people are either naively eating these plants based on vague rumors and poor understanding or so morbidly interested and full of disregard that there isn't much to say that would scare them instead of excite them even more?
If so, ahoy kinky fuckers... saying YOLO would probably be a step up for you even. Better hope your fascination doesn't cost you dearly... and actually if you would just open yourself up to what a lot of physically safe psychedelics have to offer I suppose it would easily seem ironic...
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Everyone that I have met IRL that knows about these plants, know that they are not to be messed with and the majority would not even think of trying. There is something about them that psychedelics do not provide, which the more curious mind explorers feel should be explored at some point in time.

The YOLO movement in general annoys me, so I made up my own counter motto which is WARB (we are eternal beings).
The principles of WARB is to do large amounts of relevant research about the particular subject, and to only go into an experience once one feels *completely* ready to handle and integrate it.
 
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Eating small amounts of dried leaf for sedative sounds very interesting, how are the effects
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I find it evens out my mood a bit, not really pushing it in a positive direction, just making it more neutral. I generally use datura for such purposes during the summer months when it's in season and growing everywhere. As far as the utility this method of dosing, it works when you don't want to use something intoxicating like herb or booze but still want to alter yourself a little a bit, or as flavoring to go with other things.

I've had some success smoking the dried leaf material as well (give it time to dry completely, so that it crumbles and does not tear), the effects are more pronounced and it's easy to control the dose. Tobacco pipes work poorly so use a bowl or something.
 
highly poisionous can cauze permenent insanity easily its a terrible idea2 try 2 use belladonna 2 get high.i think the name belladonna had 2 do with a version of death(aka the grim reaper)that had that name in ancient greek myths.
 
i just threw away 18 d. inoxia seeds given to me by a friend a few seconds ago. i told him they were junk. anticholinergics are junk...

maybe a low dose combined with a psychedelic, but pure delirium is JUNK. nothing but dangerous behavior and potentially traumatizing hallucinations can come from this. i read a trip report on erowid once where someone on datura was speaking to a dead person who was bleeding and rotting before his eyes.
 
theantiadult said:
highly poisionous can cauze permenent insanity easily its a terrible idea2 try 2 use belladonna 2 get high.i think the name belladonna had 2 do with a version of death(aka the grim reaper)that had that name in ancient greek myths.
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belladonna means beautiful lady in i forgot what language. ATROPINE is named after the greek deity of death, atropos. atropine is contained in many of these plants and is highly cardiotoxic.
 
I had datura when I was 17 having no idea of its severity. It is part of the deadly nightshade family(poisonous)the active ingredient is atropine. One of its uses is as a parasympathetic nerve suppressant during surgery(HEAVY!!...your para system controls auto functions like breathing!)
There were 4 of us. The person who had experience proceeded to lock us in the house for our own safety. We prepared a tea.... Shit got real. I hated the taste and threw some up. Which I believe saved my life. Often friends want to try it when I recount "tripping balls" to which i reply, under no circumstances have this drug!!!
I tripped solid for 3 weeks. At one point I had uv eyesight for 3 days.
I had mushrooms previously at such a high dose that in other attempts to trip they no longer worked. Tripping on mushies is nothing compared to this. We had "group" trips ie all of us proceeded to defend an attack from a swarm of black ants by forcebly jamming them in the toilet with a lamp shade pole.. We had killed an innocent black jumper.
I watched my friends try to open doors to various rooms and cupboards-hinge side. You can only imagine the random household objects that were taken far from their home ie kettle in fridge, tv arial and other assorted items in laundry sink. I had a recurring trip that every time I had a smoke it would suddenly vanish half way through. After numerous panicked searches for dropped burning ciggarette, I came to the only possible conclusion.. One of my friends was taking them!! When I confronted them they replied.."it's happening to you too?" sad thing was, none of us actually had ciggerettes!!!
I strongly advise against any usage unless in a controlled environment.. Being a plant how will you determine strength and dosage?, as each plant differs from the next.
 
Unless you are quite experienced with various psychoactive drugs and have done your homework, stay away from Datura please. If you understand what you're getting into would I recommend eating a very small amount of a flower/leaf/calyx to gauge potency and how you like the feelings. I personally don't touch seed pods, almost every bad report I read is with however-many seeds of Datura. I would say skip on the eyedrop idea, and opt for a tea or raw consumption with the necessary precautions. You can also smoke dried datura, but the effects aren't really comparable I hear. I'd also like to add that it's very good for clearing up sicknesses like the cold or flu in small or high doses.

I have gotten sedative, cognitive and mild visual effects from one petal of a Stramonium flower. The most I have ever taken is is 1 flower and calyx consumed raw after working my way up from small doses from a specific flower group. That was enough for a delirium and I would probably not feel safe going much higher than that. Your behavior is very strange on the outside, and it can sweep your feet from right under you if you're reckless. People have been known to be naked in the street, or violently attacking their friends only to wake up 3 days later asking "what happened?", these things are usually due to reckless dosing, and general non-deliriant friendly activities during the experience.

I have no knowledge about Atropa Belladonna as a plant specifically, do a lot of research on it. Learn about what the estimated alkaloid content is on the species, what part of the plant is the best to consume and when the ideal time to pick it is. Doing these things and informing/bringing 2 people who you trust wholeheartedly are the only ways to approach real safety with Nightshade short of sitting in a hospital. Make no mistake, these plants are entheogens and there is learning to be had. Not the same kind as one would from a psychedelic and as a rule of thumb for most people deliriants have little to no recreational value. There are little things like it, and diphenhydramine holds little light to the Datura state.
Be careful and weigh out the values and dangers, this can be very valuable and interesting, but it can very easily kill you.
 
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