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Subutex and still enjoying other things in life.

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david briggs

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I’ve been on Subutext maintenance for 4 or 5 years, taking 2 mg a day. I personally lost all my ability to enjoy alcohol (wine, beer, cocktails) since I started on subtext. Has that happened to any other maintenance users? The only scripts I have been able to discover that will produce any kind of a feel good feeling is Somas and Adderall.
I have been contemplating getting off the subs for that reason, so that I could enjoy some of the simple things that I did not abuse. The shelf life for me is much longer than I have read on here. I can go a week with no subs and still never feel the effects of alcohol or vicodin. I have never gone long enough to get the feeling back. Has anyone else really been able to do that? Early on I was able to switch back in forth, but it seems the longer the drug is in your system that it becomes almost impossible to clear it out enough to feel real endorphins again.
In general I’m not a big fan of subs for maintenance use unless you are a true attic with no success of being able to stay clean. I took it to get off vicodin and now I feel that there are many other things that I have lost with it like certain enjoyments (food, looking forward to vacations, birthdays, really caring about others lives, etc...) things that you don’t even remember that you used to enjoy. Time just goes by in a very different way than I remember. Sex? What is that? Ejaculation, a real one. I can hardly remember what that felt like and not having to work so hard at trying to achieve one.
Any experience on this topic?
 
You have lowered ability to experience things that use opiate and dopamine receptors.

Orgasm.
Alcohol.
Adderal's stimulant effects will be blunted but euphoria is increased.
Somas are excellent for opiate euphoria.

Quitting will definitely change things.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
You have lowered ability to experience things that use opiate and dopamine receptors.

Orgasm.
Alcohol.
Adderal's stimulant effects will be blunted but euphoria is increased.
Somas are excellent for opiate euphoria.

Quitting will definitely change things.
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im a opiate guy and i think adderal is crap? never tried somas but im assuming not TOO much different then ambien? maybe im totally wrong, but atleast ambien blows too?

can you shed any light on how people get euphoric on adderal/benzos etc.. I get ZERO euphoria out of anything but MDMA and hydrocodone mainly, (SOMETIMES oxy)
 
The main effect opiate users like--or are addicted to--in alcohol is that it produces opiate peptides that traditionally bind to the mu receptor, hence the analgesic effects of alcohol. But when you are on an opiate that has such a strong affinity to the mu receptor such as subutex, those peptides have nowhere to connect to, and therefore will feel as if you aren't really feeling the alcohol. We are in similar boats. I abused subutex/suboxone for three and a half years, and unfortunately for you, you used it to come off of a rather weak opiate (kind of like using percocet to come off codeine). My brain now responds to very few things also, and adderall is one of them, as I am prescribed twice daily. What happens with users is their brain gets so used to you synthetically making dopamine by dosing you're DOC, that it slows its own natural production once you quit. You are responding to adderall, like me, because we produce a lack of dopamine after using opiates, whereas it acts as a dopamine agonist.

This feeling of hypofrontality (lack of stimulation in the frontal lobes) at least for me, was easily confused for depression. I would attribute your subtle and general disdain for things to this. You could try wellbutrin, as it is a mild stimulant and acts as a dopamine reuptake. Or find a way to use adderall with conviction, and to not be a substitute for addictions.

When you bring up sex, it lends me to believe you have an issue in more than one area, because sex is loaded with surges of serotonin. Perhaps you're having 5-ht issues too. I don't suggest seeing a psychiatrist and asking for prozac, welbutrin, and adderall, to curb your issues. But with my limited knowledge, ritalin is pharmacologically similar to cocaine, which is a 'tri' or triple reuptake inhibitor. It essentially blocks the reuptake of serotonin, norepinephrine, AND dopamine, so that serum levels can accumulate. It's safer than adderall, and in studies of methylphenidate in addicts, the addicts were less likely to relapse. I don't have citations.

Seek a professional and good luck. PM with any questions.
 
Feelin-u4ia said:
im a opiate guy and i think adderal is crap? never tried somas but im assuming not TOO much different then ambien? maybe im totally wrong, but atleast ambien blows too?

can you shed any light on how people get euphoric on adderal/benzos etc.. I get ZERO euphoria out of anything but MDMA and hydrocodone mainly, (SOMETIMES oxy)
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Dude, you get off on molly but don't understand adderall? The 'A' in MDMA stands for 'amphetamine'. Adderall is pure amphetamine in salt form.
 
mdma has way more effects than just plain amphetamine though. i found it much more enjoyable when it still worked on me.
 
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