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The Benzodiazepine Thread v. IV

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It would be safe, just don't mix with any other CNS depressants (eg alcohol, opiates).

But if your tolerance is low, id start at 30mg and if I'm not happy in 20-30 mins then up the dose.

Some people use this saying with benzos, 'less is more'.

Better to start low and work your way up, I know thats not ideal in a panickey situation, but I have found oxaxepam to get to work fairly quickly.
 
awesome, thanks for the info. it appears oxaz is the benzo for me as I need the short half life (Diaz gives me a terrible hangover) and alprazolam feels too damn good for me to not abuse.
 
Yeah don't get me wrong, I said it's a 'weak' benzo compared to the usuals eg. diaz, alpra, clonaz, but still does the job.

I would have thought oxazepam would be first line treatment, if a doctor wants to take you down the benzo path. Less metabolites, and, to put simply, less addictive as apposed to the usuals. But then that would make sense, so we can't go there :p
 
I'm assuming most doctors do go with oxaz first as I aquire my benzos illegally and oxazepam is the only one that is an unlimited supply. the rest are available for a week then its nothing til next month.
 
I'm kinda welcoming the new scheduling of Xanax.

It is the best med on earth for acute panick attacks. My Dr nick Riveara though just lets me binge for 2 months and then have to deal with the widthdrawel.

Only benzo I cannot control myself with
 
I've recently been using a steady (albeit low) amount of oxazepam. Usually 15-30mg 4/7 days of the week. I've seen a lot of equivalencies posted saying 10mg diaz = 20mg oxaz. It's a unanimous decision amongst everyone i've asked in regards to the two that diazepam is superior. I'm interested in fellow Australian's opinions on oxazepam vs valium for both recreational and therapeutic purposes and what your personal opinions are in regards to equivalency. I've heard a friend go as far to say 45mg oxaz is equal to 10mg diaz roughly. Is anyone able to outline the pros and cons of both as after searching for some time the threads I find aren't specifically about comparing the two and these are the two benzos I am currently involved with. Before finding these two it was alprazolam exclusively and I find that to be quite different from oxaz and diaz.

One is less toxic to your liver... oxazepam! You can't give diaz to end stage hepatic failure but you can give oxazepam. Mostly because it seems to be the kidneys that do the work and it's passed out almost intact. I like oxazepam for it's own specific uses and shorter half life. Diaz is an option of last resort imo but so is oxaz really. Both have their uses but the ability to provide sleep after a stimulant binge requires quite large quantities of either, not that a stimulant binge in it self is not incredably dangerous
 
Thank-you for all the information, I definitely feel a lot more confident with dosage etc with diazepam and oxazepam. Another question, I understand that mixing CNS depressants with benzos is a dangerous thing but would say 20mg diazepam and 3 cans of VB be safe for someone with no tolerance? I'm past my meth/mdma days and I really enjoy a mellow buzz. Wondering if recreationally this would be fine for a saturday night or if that would be ridiculously dangerous?
 
Thank-you for all the information, I definitely feel a lot more confident with dosage etc with diazepam and oxazepam. Another question, I understand that mixing CNS depressants with benzos is a dangerous thing but would say 20mg diazepam and 3 cans of VB be safe for someone with no tolerance? I'm past my meth/mdma days and I really enjoy a mellow buzz. Wondering if recreationally this would be fine for a saturday night or if that would be ridiculously dangerous?



You should be ok IMO but why not start at 10mg diazepam? Should produce a nice buzz if you're not tolerant. The thing with mixing alcohol and benzos is that you can easily end up taking/drinking more than you planned.
 
I've recently been using a steady (albeit low) amount of oxazepam. Usually 15-30mg 4/7 days of the week. I've seen a lot of equivalencies posted saying 10mg diaz = 20mg oxaz. It's a unanimous decision amongst everyone i've asked in regards to the two that diazepam is superior. I'm interested in fellow Australian's opinions on oxazepam vs valium for both recreational and therapeutic purposes and what your personal opinions are in regards to equivalency. I've heard a friend go as far to say 45mg oxaz is equal to 10mg diaz roughly. Is anyone able to outline the pros and cons of both as after searching for some time the threads I find aren't specifically about comparing the two and these are the two benzos I am currently involved with. Before finding these two it was alprazolam exclusively and I find that to be quite different from oxaz and diaz.

Triplies: basically diazepam belongs to the anxylotic group of benzos, along with Xanax and
Clonazepam. Oxazepam is the only benzo with muscle relaxant properties, but is an active metabolite of diazepam (http://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/treatments/pharmacological/understanding-toxicology-diazepam). Having been taken off Xanax and had it substituted with diazepam I find it to be quite weak in alleviating anxiety, it just takes the edge off. I'm prescribed 4 a day, but 2,4,6 of them I get the same result... Fuck all. Oxazepam however two 30mg tablets I find to be much more effective than 6 diazepam. The muscle relaxant properties make it useful to use to sleep and if taken at the right time, I often don't need the hypnotic benzos (temazepam and the stronger nitrazepam) which is a bonus. I can't make a direct comparison cos in comparison to my 3 Xanax a day, the Valium is so weak (I have a large benzo tolerance, but like I said 2 oxazepam is great. You would surely notice how weak the Diaz is when compared to alprazolam, but I have tried every benzo possible, from those on offer at my regular chemist. I have to say strength wise Clonazepam is on par with strength to Xanax but more subtle 1x2mg Xanax IMO = 6x5mg diazepam, 1x2mg Clonazepam and Ativan (Lorazepam- a anxylotic/hypnotic benzo) 2.5x2 Ativan... Oxazepam being in a different category of benzos produces different effects, but I find it helps with anxiety and sleep and 2x30mg is definitely comparable to 2x2.5 Ativan so I guess 2mXanax= 2x30mg oxazepam, but they are targeting different things. Love my oxazepam and having been swapped to vals, can feel effect of half a bar, used to be dependent on 3 a day so that's one good thing. Just my experience and everyone is different. I have chronic anxiety, love to drop a couple oxazepam and relax with a DVD, don't get that same relaxed feeling from the vals though. Xannies were great, pop one and ten -15min later composed and stress free. With the vals kinda feel like I'm waiting for it to kick in. Least the Clonazepam has a bit more kick behind it. Once xannies become schedule 8, second choice is definitely Clonazepam. Hard to get it prescribed as it helps with people who suffer from seizures and that is mainly why it gets prescribed. Doctors tend to skip past it as an anxiety relief. In the middle of planting seeds, slowly chipping away hopefully to swap 4 vals a day to 1 clonaz, easier on the liver, it has. 25hr half life and actually alleviates my anxiety.you can't tell a doctor their job though and don't wanna come across as drug seeking or can kiss my shitty vals away too... Do rate oxazepam tho for sure. 2 will have you cosy mos def.
 
Thrall: "5mg diaze (long acting, 20-100hrs) ~= 15mg oxaze (medium-acting, 5-15hrs)."

How can Diaz get rated so highly? If you've been prescribed Xanax your lucky if the vals take the edge off your day..
 
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Oxazepam is a metabolite of diazepam, as is temazepam.

So diazepam is broken down into desmethyldiazepam, temazepam and oxazepam in your liver.

Where's oxazepam is just oxazepam. Your missing out on desmethyldiazepam (mainly) and temazepam.

Oxazepam worked for me when I had very low tolerance. But it has no legs, and I'd find myself dosing a heap more than I would have compared to being scripted plain ol diazepam (awesome half life for what I need). I didn't feel there was as much muscle relaxing properties as diaz

It's a weak benzo, but can come in handy.

Cos oxazepam serves as a muscle relaxant you may not recognise the drug actually having an effect. It gets you cosy but not in the same way as anxiety targeting benzos. You probably don't need to redoes, combine with 2vals you will be sweet ime
 
so would keeping my rather large stash of oxazepam for acute anxiety attacks be ok? I have little to no tolerance as I use benzos a few times a month. would 60mg be appropriate for a really bad anxiety attack or is it too weak to be efficient. for reference I used to use 2mg of alprazolam for an attack or 20mg Diaz. would I be safe taking say 90mg oxaz with no tolerance?
I personally wouldn't rely on oxazepam for a panic attack, won't hurt but you want the benzos meant to help anxiety. Nothing will stop a panic attack like Xanax. I'd take a clonazepam but that or a val or oxazepam take 20-30 min to kick in, you really need the quick onset of xannies. Try and sneak a jar or two in before the law changes and don't take them for anything. Just have there for a go to if you are prone to panic attacks...
 
awesome, thanks for the info. it appears oxaz is the benzo for me as I need the short half life (Diaz gives me a terrible hangover) and alprazolam feels too damn good for me to not abuse.

It isn't PBS subsidised like most benzos, making it quite expensive <no prices> for 50 tabs, a discount chemist will do for about half that but try Ativan (lorazepam) pretty sure it's a 12 hr half life. Make sure you ask for the 2.5millies, the yellow ones. Don't bother with the 1mg white ones
 
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Thank-you for all the information, I definitely feel a lot more confident with dosage etc with diazepam and oxazepam. Another question, I understand that mixing CNS depressants with benzos is a dangerous thing but would say 20mg diazepam and 3 cans of VB be safe for someone with no tolerance? I'm past my meth/mdma days and I really enjoy a mellow buzz. Wondering if recreationally this would be fine for a saturday night or if that would be ridiculously dangerous?
Especially on the meth, a benzo is your best friend! Not to encourage the consumption of multiple drugs if you are prone to anxiety a benzo can really take that paranoid, anxious feeling that you sometimes get with meth, away. Same with MDMA but will make you look super minted, you kinda get sloppy downer eyes combined with oof tap pupils, can look a bit messy if out on the town...
 
10mg Diaz gives me nice relaxation and relief but i've found recreationally 20mg is a more "wow I feel perfect" effect. I have mixed benzos previously with alcohol but only small amounts of both (.5mg xanax and 2 cans of beer) and found that the alcohol really does increase the euphoria two-fold. also thanks for the heads up in regards to lowered inhibitions and taking more than expected but Ive always found myself to be quite in control whilst under the influence of both drugs and am a strong believer in the 'less is more' for most substances. Just wanted to confirm that this would be safe and not a death sentence. cheers
 
^ I reckon your main worry would be doing stupid shit or blacking out. That's main negative experience I've had from mixing drink and benzo's and I'm usually very in control. 3 beers and 20mg of diazepam doesnt sound like too much though. If you have some tolerance to both substances it should be fine.
 
Let's not get too cozy in fantasy land though. Saying that something "should be fine" doesn't really mean anything.

This is not an attack on any of the preceding posts, just a reminder that mixing alocohol and benzos is playing with your internal equalizer. Inhibitions go down, chance of spontaneously doing something weird and regrettable go up, and the short-term-memory slider actually falls off the panel entirely. It's one of the most dangerous combos I can think of. THere's physical danger - CNS depression from too much booze and benzo - but the risk that concerns me is what one might do to themselves AND others while on the combo.


Benzos creep in under the radar of self-regulaton and tell you that you are fine and normal as ever. It's not hard to be in control while drinking and taking benzos - it's impossible. Sense of self-preservation can quickly go out the window. Sense of boundaries and what's appropriate can distort so massively that a 'normal' person can act out in ways that scare their friends enough to ruin the relationship forever. If there's some secret fetish, perverse fantasy hiding away in your sub-conscious, then benzos and alcohol are more likely to bring it out (and make it seem like the best idea ever!!) than just about anything else.

A couple of beers and a benzo of choice or two isn't necessarily going to cause apocolyptic mayhem instantly, but the percentage chance of you doing something that is out of character goes up up up. I still use that combo sometimes. Not often at all. I'm scared of it, and I haven't even had any disasters with benzos (aside from getting addicted and suffering WDs...huhuhuhhuh).

It's the black outs that scare me. It's really fucking creepy. I'm not talking about the last couple hours of the previous evening being hazy, I'm talking about a solid 4 to 5 hour chunk of time entirely erased from memory, during which you were still completely active. Walking, talking, socialising, possibly driving, shopping....

It only took one time of the Xanax/beer combo where I had a little more than usual and I had one of those experiences. Nothing bad happened. But the only reason I know nothing bad happened is because I was with people. They didn't even know I was on the shit (I was a heavy poly-drug abuser at the time so I was always on something, it was just normal for me), and to this day they don't know that I can't remember a good four hours of that evening. I'm too embarassed to admit it. It's the creepiest feeling to have people talk about what you did and even show you photos of which you have ZERO recollection. Creepy.

And like I said, I must be pure of heart or some shit becuase apparently I just behaved myself as normal. So nothing went wrong, but that void of memory still scared me. Imagine waking up somewhere, not knowing how you got there, and wondering what you'd done..... FUCK.....THAT....
 
And like I said, I must be pure of heart or some shit becuase apparently I just behaved myself as normal. So nothing went wrong, but that void of memory still scared me. Imagine waking up somewhere, not knowing how you got there, and wondering what you'd done..... FUCK.....THAT....

Definitely a very scary situation. I couldn't imagine myself doing anything whilst on benzos, even if i'd have a panic attack and take .5mg xanax I'd still go into my own world and lie down for a bit, just felt comfortable. I'm currently on the combo I decided previously to try (20mg diaz/3 beers). I had the diaz at 10.30 and in that time i've had just near 2 cans of beer. I honestly feel so relaxed and stress free after just finishing a nightmare of a 12 hour shift. I doubt i'll get to the third can of beer I'm too tired. Recreational use of this stuff in social situations wouldn't make sense to me. I seem to retreat to my own world but in a good way. Normally I'm the house socialite and no-one can shut me up. But after 20mg of diaz I'm so content just listening to music and browsing the internet. Maybe I'm just lucky in that I have absolutely no compulsion to redose. Don't think I've ever re-dosed on benzos and i've certainly never experienced one of the dreaded benzo blackouts. Honestly, if I hadn't read so many horrible benzo withdrawal stories i'd probably be content on a daily dose of diaz or oxaz. My stash is almost exclusively for anxiety attacks as i suffer them terribly out of the blue due to years of heavy meth/mdma/coke/whatever the fuck else stimulant abuse.

EDIT: Forgot to add, what's pretty much turned me off of big benzo doses is one of my best friends i've grown up with my whole life found a hook up for 2mg xanny bars and after a saturday when we'd planned to go golfing he wouldn't answer his phone. Two days later he calls and says he was arrested under the influence and has tested positive to heroin, xanax, cannabis, meth. This friend of mine hasn't smoked cannabis in atleast 1 year due to drug testing at work, has never gone near heroin as he's grown up with the stigma and absolutely hates meth (i've seen him use it once in the 20 odd years I've known him and he HATED it). All this after he bought 20x2mg bars and without a tolerance decided starting with two would be a good idea. Benzos are fucking serious shit.
 
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is anyone else here prescribed diaz. @ 2mg twice a day? I cant believe that dose even exists.. ill be honest, its better than nothing with relieving anxiety but still, it seems ridiculously low and doesnt even get rid of half of what I experience... I just take 8mg in the morning every second day so I dont come up short of the scripts n thats the only way I can get through a very anxious day (although I dont have anxiety every single day, most days yeah, but sometime it ranges from very mild/I can handle it to severe panic attack/constantly stressing [the latter is more of a rare occasion])
 
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