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The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

Do you get nauseous from AMT?

  • Yes, quite a bit / unusually so

    Votes: 37 25.0%

  • Yes, but only a little

    Votes: 55 37.2%

  • No

    Votes: 48 32.4%

  • Sometimes / Completely depends on whether it is salt or freebase

    Votes: 8 5.4%
  • Total voters
    148
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Thank you, friend!

It seems to be a weak MAOI.
I think I shall wait no longer...
This cheese is worth tempting the devil.

Well, I will wait tomorrow for the cheese...
But I'd rather die than not eat my cereals!
As men, we have to stand up for something.

I stand up for my nice bowl of milk. :3
 
It is a very weak MAO inhibitor. It is said to be milligram for milligram as potent as harmaline which doesn't really have strong MAO inhibition until you're over 100mg but yes, best to err on the side of caution. I mixed caffeine with over 160mg of aMT (it was consumed over a good 6-8 hours, between oral, smoked, and snorted, probably one of the stupidest things I've ever done but I was 17 and stupid)... the headache that resulted was not pleasant. Luckily I was just drinking cocoa and when I started drinking it, I had to throw up almost immediately so I didn't consume more.
 
I have a gram of aMT freebase and wondering if volumetric dosing in alcohol solution will be ok or the aMT will degrade rather quick? Thanks!
 
Hi all! i am new here. what is the best way to translate amt powder to liquid form? cause i want to make amt blots!
 
CaptainKratom said:
With all the NBOME's and DOx chems going around at cheap prices 5-meo-amt is the least of our worries. Besides 5-meo-amt is getting harder and harder to find due the fact that many don't like the effects.
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I can find it very easily and its cheaper than NBOMe's, the last thing I want to see is another round of 5-MeO-AMT blotter. Its still legal most places...
 
MagickalKat777 said:
I can find it very easily and its cheaper than NBOMe's, the last thing I want to see is another round of 5-MeO-AMT blotter. Its still legal most places...
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Trust me you'd make WAY more money dose for dose selling 5-600mcg 25i blotters than selling 2 mg 5-meo-amt blotters. You may be able to get a bigger quantity for cheaper than an NBOME but that smaller quantity is way more doses than the 5-meo. I don't wantbto get into price discussions but with the 25i from the vendor I can get it from a 500mcg blotter would cost less than gum and can sell for *insert your local lsd price*. Even if you could find 5-meo cheaper its worth the extra couple dollars to have a product that people will actually come back for (if their dummies of course) and have a lower risk of people being hospitalized.

Also why would some dumbass pass 5-meo-amt as lsd nowadays when it feels NOTHING like lsd and now have compounds that are WAY more similar . I think the 5-meo made its rounds before all these other n-benzyl compounds hit the scene but I could be wrong about that. Mowadays it's just not worth the risk. I know if I were to slang 5-meo tabs NOBODY would come back and the people I sold em too would wanna hunt me down and beat my ass. With the drugs available at the prices they are I would see little to no risk of another 5-meo-amt outbreak. Everybody just make sure you have an ehrlichs and marquis if your going to ingest street level compounds.. also if you get NBOME beat your dealers ass or at least spread the word on what he's selling. I know I'd wanna stab the dealer if I was sold 5-meo-amt, that stuff just screams toxic.
 
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just like to add that while i'm definetly against selling drug X as something else, there is merit to 5MeOaMT for some people. That includes me, up until 2.5mg.
 
I get your point Captain but now that the NBOMe's are scheduled, it is possible to see a resurgence in 5-MeO-AMT. Certainly the NBOMe prices are going to rise as well like what always happens when a chemical gets scheduled.

Just saying I wouldn't have brought it up at all. It crossed my mind when I was responding to mention that it might be 5-MeO-AMT but I wasn't about to clue someone in on the ability to put 5-MeO-AMT on a blotter when they were already trying to do it with AMT. You don't think that someone trying to put AMT on a blotter sounds suspicious like they're going to try to pass it off as LSD? :p

EDIT: Achten - I used to go WAY beyond 2.5mg with the old blue vials of the stuff... I loved it for what it was but yeah, it had a lot of side effects associated with it.

Personally I didn't find it any more toxic than 2C-T-2 or 2C-T-7. In fact I'd say that 2C-T-7 had a worse body load than 5-MeO-AMT and a steeper dose/response curve to boot.

I didn't get ahold of 2C-T-7 until way after I abused the hell out of 5-MeO-AMT and other than the higher tachycardia from 5-MeO-AMT, 2C-T-7 made me much sicker than 5-MeO-AMT ever did. I just didn't get diarrhea with T-7 and I honestly didn't check my heart rate with it but I know 5-MeO-AMT, like all 5-methoxy-tryptamines, shot my heart rate through the roof. Could easily be my individual chemistry as even 5-MeO-DALT did it to me and that one is supposed to be benign.

My point though is that I don't want to see it on blotters again.
 
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Your 100% right, I was very barred out last night and said more than I should have. I do have one thing to say in response to the first bit. *cough* nboh *cough*. I believe 25D is stil legal as well (not that legality means anything as I or anyone else for that matter can easily still get any NBOME shipped here illegaly if I wanted). If this dude wants to be an asshole and sell 5-meo-amt as LSD he's gonna get fucked up real quick, WAY before he gets a noticeable amount of product to the mainstream. I'll leave it at that, I think my big mouth has said enough lol.

Achten I never said it doesn't have merit, what I'm trying to say is if was passed off as LSD then the dudes got something coming to him. I'm all for selling 5-meo-amt as what it is. In fact I may pick up a blotter or two if the price is right as I rank aMT far above mushrooms(yeah call me crazy) or even some of the 2c's, *maybe* even low dose LSD. With aMT the one hour of suffering means nothing compared to the 10-12 hours of pure pleasure and beauty that is aMT. It's what MDMA is supposed to be and far more. My point, 5-meo-amt is NOTHING like LSD and if sold as such is absolutely retarted.
 
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that 5-MeO-AMT is nothing like LSD. Higher doses rival smoked DMT in intensity and the visual character of 5-MeO-AMT... I've never seen visuals from LSD like the ones I got from 5-MeO-AMT. Just thinking about my past trips on it right now, my LCD in my laptop is starting to have morphing text and blacks are no longer blacks. I remember getting absorbed into pictures in the calendar at my buddy's house... The clouds billowing through the sky, the water shimmering and flowing, the leaves in the trees and the blades of grass all blowing in the wind. The 4 dimensional Sublime poster where I realized for the first time that the Sublime sun actually has a mushroom for a nose and head, the phallic ceiling, the group trip where all of us were convinced the floor was made of lava and we were all throwing things on the floor to avoid stepping in it, all of us ending up getting trapped in the bathroom, the time we tried smoking a bowl and we were so fucked up that we burst into laughter, totally forgot what we were laughing about like 15 minutes later just to laugh all over again and it taking us four hours to successfully finish a small bowl, the phallic ceiling, getting hit by waves of energy when we were smoking outside and watching cars go by tearing holes in space and throwing them at us...

That said, its pretty easy to tell its not LSD when you get your first alert within 5 minutes, you're nauseous and/or sitting on the toilet (one time I was puking in the bath tub while shooting out the other end) around 20 and you're at the plateau by 45. When it plateaus though, if you hit the dose right, it would be pretty hard to tell it apart from LSD with the exception of a lighter mind fuck and more intense visuals. You even get full-blown synaesthesia with the stuff. Actually thinking back, I tripped much harder on 5-MeO-AMT than I ever did on LSD which is why I put up with the heavy body load and did it so much. I wasn't the only one of my friends that liked it... We used to have tripping parties and dump 50mg in a big cup of Sprite and just sip off the Sprite every time we wanted to boost it higher.

That said, if AMT was never scheduled, I never would have messed with 5-MeO-AMT after the first few times. Or at least far less than I did.

Sorry I totally went on a tangent without meaning to, I have a lot of memories coming back to me as my Valium level drops and I got really into that visual reproduction that fired off in my mind of some of the crazy shit that happened with 5-MeO-AMT lol. :p
 
Maybe I should've said "It would be very easy to differentiate between LSD and 5-meo-amt" instead. I personally have never been in a hurry to try it as it is generally seen as pretty toxic, at least it seems that way. From all the reports I've read I think it's fair to say that this chems effects are not easily mistakeable from LSD. Sound A little better? I will say after reading your post 5-meo-amt sounds like it can be pretty fun if you can handle a heavy bodyload which I can if the effects are worth it. While I'm aware that every chem is different, how would you say aMT compares to it's 5-meo counterpart?
 
Hello! Does anyone have experience with combining aMT and LSD? There are a few trip reports on the net i've found and i'm interested in learning some more about this combo, including dosages, timing, effects and etc.
 
TotalTotalness said:
Hello! Does anyone have experience with combining aMT and LSD? There are a few trip reports on the net i've found and i'm interested in learning some more about this combo, including dosages, timing, effects and etc.
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I have yet to combine the two but I'd imagine they would combine amazingly. I'm sure it would make the LSD trip extremely positive and euphoric. If your looking to peak on both at the same time I'd say drop the sid two hours into the aMT trip, that should get you past the initial bodyload phase and into the more sedating part of the aMT trip. With that said If I were gonna combine the two I'd wait more like 4 hours as the peak of both may be overwhelming. Be sure to keep things on the lower end your first time as I'm sure yor aware of the 'mild' MAO-I properties of aMT and possible potentiation these two might produce.

On an unrelated note does anyone know what today is? aMT time! I haven't had a satisfying trip in three weeks after a failed 2c-c trip last week so I figured I'll go with something that never let's me down, good ol IT-290. I'll go with 45mgs plugged as 60mgs was a bit more intense than I thought it would be, if things are underwhelming I might throw in A medium dose of 2c-c. I won't write a report unless something remarkable occurs which with aMT it's likely, I can never predict what this chem will do for some reason.
 
CaptainKratom said:
While I'm aware that every chem is different, how would you say aMT compares to it's 5-meo counterpart?
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5-MeO-AMT hits harder, lasts longer, and has a ton of side effects... Let me ask you this - did you enjoy 5-MeO-DMT or 5-MeO-DiPT? Because if you enjoyed one or both of those you are much more likely to enjoy 5-MeO-AMT. It has that very high bodyload of methoxylated tryptamines, those two specifically. Diarrhea, tachycardia, nausea, vomiting, the possibility of dysphoria, a steep dose/response curve, it borders between being physically stimulating and physically sedating which can make it into a very weird combination especially if you aren't very well-rested or towards the later hours, 12 or so in to the experience.

AMT reminds me more of a candyflip with very little visual input whereas 5-MeO-AMT is a technicolor wonderland. I go back and forth on whether the headspace of 5-MeO-AMT and AMT differ much because I have said that both of them have very little mindfuck but that simply isn't the case. They aren't as twisted as LSD but they both have a very distinct mental component. High doses of 5-MeO-AMT seem like the 5-MeO-DiPT psychosis without fully snapping the mind like 5-MeO-DiPT does. Its hard to explain. The body high from it is very rushy but not always clean rushes like AMT can cause, it feels like the alien rush you get from 5-MeO-DiPT and can be quite chilling when you're not used to it.

Both AMT and 5-MeO-AMT I tended to go to sleep at the same time, around the 18-20 hour mark, which basically puts them about equal in terms of overall stimulation for me, however, you're still tripping a little bit at that point with 5-MeO whereas AMT was gone a good 5 or 6 hours before that.

Obviously for me, the positive visual aspect was enough to outweigh everything else or I wouldn't have done it so much.

I must admit that it was rather odd going in the bathroom feeling sick to my stomach and not much else and then puking and/or shitting my brains out and leaving the bathroom with everything around me flowing, patterns drawn all over surfaces, and pupils the size of marbles 15 minutes later. I never puked twice but loose stools for the first few hours were a problem quite often. That said, it was rewarding because each time I'd use the bathroom, I would trip harder for awhile. It was a very consistent effect. Totally cathartic.

With all of that said, I would take AMT over 5-MeO-AMT these days but I'm also much more beaten down than I was back then. Daily benzos and such. I don't think my nervous system could handle 5-MeO-AMT anymore. Every single sense gets overloaded. Interestingly enough, I was able to hide that I was intoxicated most of the time unless my pupils were looked at. Conversations, while they gained more depth than usual, were generally very put together and smooth and I didn't have any problem doing my normal routine on it. I even went to work tripping on 5-MeO-AMT and went through my day completely fine. Just a glance in my direction would make it immediately apparent that my normally blue-green hazel eyes were almost pitch black however.

Toxicity-wise, I would compare it with 2C-T-7. Out of those two chemicals, they are both insanely visual and insanely hard on the body. I would say that 5-MeO-AMT was slightly worse just because of the duration and the diarrhea but 2C-T-7 caused me to projectile vomit and I blacked out from it as well at a 16mg dose so toxicity would be up for debate between the two in my opinion.

Also, 5-MeO-AMT maintains AMT's unpredictability that you mentioned Captain. They're both a lot like LSD that way.

One final thing that I will tell you re: AMT vs 5-MeO-AMT is that on 5-MeO-AMT, I felt safe enough to mix it with a 2nd plateau level of DXM, something that I never would have done on any dose of AMT. Its all relative. Perceived toxicity can be entirely different from actual toxicity. I have no idea what damage, if any, my abuse of 5-MeO-AMT caused or will cause but I can say that for every drug. I hadn't used either of them for a few years and was just rolling and that is what trashed me to the point that I had to be on meds all these years so you tell me.

TotalTotalness - LSD overpowers AMT and AMT triggers a minor cross-tolerance so you would need more acid. Its best to just save the AMT or LSD for another time than to mix them together.
 
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Personally I've never really enjoyed the 5-meo's. They tend to cause nasty tachychardia and weird body rushes. I absolutely hated 5-meo-dmt, felt like a near death experience with colorless shitty visuals, nasty tachychardia, and an overwhelming headspace. 5-meo-dipt was pretty fun, the effects were worth the bodyload for me but it was nothing special. The only other 5-meo I've tried besides those two was 5-meo-dalt and it was pretty shitty, no headspace, minute visuals, and tachychardia. So 5-meo's arent my cup of tea but I am still willing to explore 5-meo-amt and 5-meo-mipt. The only thing that has me worried about 5-meo-amt is the diahrea and tachychardia. Tachychardia kinda fucks with me during trip as I'm very susceptable to this side effect. Would you say the side effects linger throughout the whole trip or is it like aMT where you might feel like shit for a couple hours but are dropped into a smoother trip? I have access to 2mg blotters at a fairly cheap price and I'm really considering buying like 5 to see what it's all about. What would be good first time dose that wont be underwhelming? Also will plugging cut down on the side effects, that is if you have plugged it? And lastly did you in any way feel like you were in any danger? I'd hate to have to make a trip to the hospital on a psychedelic : P
 
You seem to react quite similarly to me Captain, at least to tryptamines. I didn't like the methoxylated tryptamines either - even had a panic attack from 5-MeO-DALT of all things.

That said, 5-MeO-AMT's body load does calm down when you get a few hours in like AMT but it can give you a headache and you will most likely use the bathroom a few times.

As for dosage - I don't enjoy low doses of it. All body load, no reward. Start small and work up. I gave out a few lower doses and it wasn't a pleasant experience until they redosed. As with anything, your mileage may vary. My usual dose was extremely high, even without any tryptamine tolerance I dropped 18-22mg (had a +/- 2mg scale but was aiming for 20mg) after the first two times yielded bad body load and nothing positive.

One thing that we found worked really really well was measuring out a given amount (for our trip parties it was 50mg) and put it in a 32 ounce Sprite. It dissolves completely and you just stir it up and sip on it til you get to the level you want to be at plus Sprite or 7UP help calm the stomach down. Like most methoxylated tryptamines, 5-MeO-AMT doesn't produce a significant tolerance while you're on it so its completely fine to redose. It takes 60 minutes tops to feel a dose unlike AMT which is nice.

I never plugged it. I've smoked, snorted, and eaten it and out of them, oral was the most comfortable and smoked was the least comfortable.

As for health, I didn't become concerned about health except for one case - when the vendor sent me 5-MeO-AMT instead of AMT. I didn't allergy test it. Bombed 50mg. That ended up in a trip to the ER, two shots of Ativan, and a trip home with a very pissed off grandmother.

Just be careful with it but if you've done 5-MeO-DiPT, you pretty much know what to expect in terms of toxicity. 5-MeO-DiPT had the worst dose/response curve I've ever seen in a tryptamine.

Start off with 2mg and see how it affects you. Like I said, you can add more about an hour in if you don't like where you are, an hour and a half if you want to be completely safe. The reason I took such high doses was because I didn't like the effects at lower doses and I found that the character of the experience changed at higher doses. There could be a number of reasons for that. It could be that that it becomes a triple releasing agent at the higher doses instead of just functioning as a reuptake inhibitor, it could be that the binding affinity changes at other doses or it could be that its even more toxic but you don't notice it. Its weird like AMT which isn't pleasant in low doses to me either - doses under 30mg were just stimulating to me while 30mg and above brought out what I was looking for.

Just be smart with it like everything. :)
 
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