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Stimulants Cocaine vs Amphetamine, why sources say amp is more addictive?

Jabberwocky

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Hi,

Amphetamine is meant to be way more powerful than cocaine but many (most) sources say cocaine is more addictive than Amphetamine ..

Why is this?, how is it if Amphetamine is way more powerful?.

any ideas, please.

thanks.
 
I'm not going to tell you that anything I say is factual, because then I'd be lying. I'm just sharing my knowledge, whether it's factual or not. But like I said, this is NOT the gospel. Don't quote me.

My step-dad, who has done pretty much anything you could name, found that cocaine was much more addictive than methamphetamines and other amphetamines because of the different affects and side affects that come alone with cocaine and crack cocaine.
 
My guess would be that cocaine is so short acting that the urge to redose is higher.
 
in terms of a high, I have always far preferred coke. But as someone who can't afford, nor realistically maintain a habit as demanding in terms of money and time as coke, I've gone for speed.
 
coke is more addictive. amphetamine is more abusable. however using either for an extended period of time will wind you up in a world of trouble, or you just ask me!
 
i think a more comparable choice would be cocaine vs methamphetamine in terms of addiction, because amphetamine is addictive, but in its pharmaceutical form is limited to the fairly non-addictive ROAs (in comparison to other ROAs), along with reduced bioavailability for certain ROAs. I would have much more trouble saying which is definititely the more addictive drug. with cocaine and amphetamines, there's too much difference in the drugs; their onset, the effective ROAs, strength, rush, and they both differ slightly in which neurotransmitters they work on, to name a few.

Also, whoever said that amphetamine is stronger than cocaine clearly never smoked or shot it.
 
Coke gives one hell of a rush IVed but is over in minutes any other route sucks, to me. Due to the shortness if duration I avoid coke unless given.

Amps just last so much longer. I banged 60 mgs a hour ago, sucks no rush or anything. Just feel mild euphoria for awhile and awesome sex drive. I'm going to make another batch of meth but bang it this time.
 
Well based on my observations which are also also just my personal subjective opinions. I used to do coke for about 5 years, and meth for the last 3. Very recently tried ok coke again and therefore have fresh comparative opinion of both.

1. Coke, due to its shorter duration can cause much more fiendish erratic and risky behavior during the short period of its use and near the end, due to its short duration and (usually) lower quality. For example I remember many nights of running out and dangerous intoxicated trips to resupply in the middle of the night.

This never occurred with meth due to one G lasting at least 4 days for one person as apposed to 4 hours for a average G of coke, and for me at least by the end of meth I am so destroyed, very very over it and paranoid, ive never once gone to get more, i just want to hide away and die.

2. On the surface coke can seem stronger and meth less so, however coke can initially feel thus because the physical natural stimulation feels far more pronounced. Meth however starts off with very little physical sensation but is far more euphoric then coke, even if the peripheral signs you might use to gauge this euphoria may seem less with coke then meth.

Its often difficult to gauge or compare euphoria or the subtle good stuff directly and often we cant help measuring this indirectly through other factors. Hell for a while i used pupil dilation to tell me how high I was, even with years of experience in using both.

3. Lastly coke feels like a far more social "goofy" high with an increased likelihood of the user acting out of character then a stable experienced meth user since meth feels more stable, controllable and "accommodating" of regular human activities, for lack of a better description.

For example, I have lived with very close attentive family and friends (who know I have used before) and it was relatively easy to use meth for 4 day high dose binges at a time for over a year without hardly any suspicion, however I feel I cannot do the same with coke at all. For some reason it feels like I am not in total control with it, unlike meth.

To sum it up, because of the above, I feel that coke may seem more addictive to an external observer on a day to day basis due to the erratic and fiendish behavior exhibited by users on a daily or even hourly basis, largely attributed to the unavoidable mental roller coaster experienced by users due to the short duration of effect and activities/risks related to continued re-dosing (which was my largest issue with the stuff), and lastly the more goofy confident behavior it can cause.

Comparatively, a meth user may seem far more stable and "normal" on a daily basis with aberrant behavior in a weekly or monthly basis. Most importantly the longer term is more likely to reveal a real meth addict as they could be more likely to get away with it longer then a coke addict however regular or daily use will always show eventually no matter how careful or "responsible" the user is with their use.

Personally I would say both are equally addictive with a very different type of addictive behaviors and related symptoms. In the end i would prob say meth was worse, addiction and health wise due to its scientifically proved potency over coke and its longer duration. For me at least I found it far easier to do more, risk more, and get deeper down the rabbit hole with much lower chance of being noticed or discovered.

Also coke could never become more then a social thing for me but meth can easily become so much more then that. Being able to cross that line into "real life" is probably its most dangerous attribute of all.
 
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^I agree with almost everything you said EXCEPT the part at the end where you said that it's easier to avoid suspiscion from family and friends, which it is the opposite for me, although i never used meth daily, but I was on a ridiculous dose of adderall for four years daily and it was much easier to "act normal" on adderall than coke, so it makes sense that regular meth use would be easy to function on as well. Great post, man. It's good to see a wall of text with some coherence and actual helpful info.
 
my opinion on this has always been that coke is a lot more fun; amps are a lot better for just staying up doing shit. coke(especially iv)/crack(smoked or iv) has a way better and more euphoric but shorter lasting rush/initial onset(similar to the reward an iv opiate user becomes accustomed to-not in feeling necessarily but as far as badass mindblowing euphoria type of shit), whereas amps just kind of keep you up forever and are better for actually getting anything accomplished.
 
To me it all depends on the high you prefer.

Amps are "pushy" in their effects... Cocaine is very mellow and euphoric.

Amps are for serious workloads and all night work or study binges...

Cocaine is a pure businessman's pleasure drug. You go up very high in a short time, it it wears off so you still get sleep and be ok tomorrow.
 
Coke is considered a 'tri', or triple reuptake inhibitor. This means it blocks the reuptake of all serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine. Whereas amps are simply a dopamine agonist. This would explain its more "mellow" effects as serotonin is calming, and why it seems more addicting, as it is essentially three times the bang for your buck.
 
It's very hard to live a life on coke 24/7 and kinda defeats the purpose. I feel like coke is more of a "I want it now" socially addictive, uber compulsive drug... but only in certain situations.

Amp's can be used all day, every day, for the most part. People find that it makes them better at everything they do so it's not hard to go overboard during inappropriate times.

hence 2 different beasts, 2 different forms of abuse potential.
 
Naw, coke and crack for me for sure.
Like others have said they are addictive in different ways but the psychological addiction for cocaine/crack/freebase no matter the route of administration as a rule are way more enticing to me.
Different strokes for different folks I guess!
 
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