How much Test do we naturally produce ?

EQ is defoe something I wouldn't mind trying, I've read that it's chemical structure is that exact same as D-Bol but because of the way it metabolises in the body it changes into another chemical wich is why you don't get the typical water retention at stuff that D-Bol offers but get the big appetite and stuff, something like that anyway, sticking to short esters with them 19nors, in and out , enough time to give me muscle but not enough time to start building houses on my pecs :X
 
Eq is interesting in short ester forms the pip is a bitch mate, but can be managed though they are hard to track down. EQ i love to run fro long periods before i started cruising, and when i blast i step it to 600 a week though I have heard from Guido that@ 800 it really and truly begins to shine. Though I run my blasts long 20-30wks right up until the real heat of july kicks in then I am on cruise till the next winter ( with a brief sep till oct blast from time to time if I am up for it ). Give it a shot brother it is an under appreciated steroid by the masses, you dont blow up on it but every thing you get from it is super keepable.
 
Eq from what I read has a very nice dose response curve with diminishing returns happening further away than most aas. I just read a log of a guy who was doing 1.5g/wk eq on 100mg/week test and got awesome results. He recommended donating blood frequently though once you pass the 1g mark.
 
no doubt. AAS do raise RBC and EQ is one of the few that raise them significantly why I started to look into it. I figured at altitude added RBC will allow me to more effectively function, and when you are humping 120lbs of kit up some godforsaken rock pile, and trying to keep every fiber of your brain on the task at hand it is worth it. Hell it pays off for endurance as well as mass, but it is def a long game player as opposed to things like Trenbolone,or even Testosterone. I am hoping that adding it Dihydronboldenone to a Test, Deca/EQ base will play well.
 
I have never used EQ but it sounds like 1 I definitely will at some point, of course I'm dying to Try Trenbolone because of the Super Ripped gains from it, I think I would have a hard time with side effects so would never use Enanthate or anything Long Acting, Ace all the way , as with Nandrolone NPP all the way for reasons I've already moaned about enough lol,

Can EQ convert at all ?

Another steroid I don't hear anything about is Masteron Drostanolone Prop, wich makes me want to find out more about it, to my knowledge that is dry and doesn't convert as well,

I wonder if anybody has ran a super Dry cycle, Tren, Masteron, Primo, Anavar, EQ, I've thought about it myself, but then I think what's the point, use better mass gainers and just have the right precautions on hand this time you tool :)

T-Bol, another 1 I want to find out more about as well as Halo, and Primo tablets, if Primo is so weak it's funny they make tablets, I think I would run both injectable Primo and Oral Primo if I was going to use it at all based on the reports.
 
Masteron has a solid place in plenty of cycles. It is a lot like Proviron in the way it binds with SHGB and allows more of the other compounds you are using to stay free and unbound so that they can do their thing. It is also no slouch on its end for providing some gains, while nothing to shout about the gains are always a high quality, and easily kept. When you combine masteron, with primo you do get a fantastic dry, vascular look, with a nice little gain in really high quality mass. This combo also gives you very little in terms of sides. I have never really run Anavar myself I prefer some of the newer orals like say Epistane or Methylstenbolone ( which is really one of my favorites) m-sten offers great strength gains and super clean gains of lean mass. Though the addition of epistane( in place of the msten) at say 60+mgs a day would really give you killer gains and keep estrogen at bay a great deal allowing for the addition of some thing that was slightly aromatizable to be added like say a medium dosage of Testosterone or Eq if you were so inclined or even a combo of the two. Go a step further and add a dose of 25mgs of Proviron to this mix and your need for any thing more then .5mg of A-dex every other day is really not necessary ( I run proviron every blast, and frankly love the fact that it gives you a harder look and feel ).

So that run of tren, mast, primo, would be a great pre-contest cycle. With the addition of Proviron, and Epistane it would be a really nice polishing cycle, hell even the addition of say a mild oral like methylclostebol for additional size and strength gains. Mind you I don't compete and have no real plan to: but I have been training and cycling for awhile and have run similar cycles with good success.

Oral primo mate is just a waste. Sop many better orals to run. If you are running injectable primo,no need for you to take the oral version as well add another compound in. One that will give you something more tangible.
 
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Msten and these orals you have mentioned are these Pro-hormones ? Just that I've never heard of em and I've got a quality source and never came across em,

I am desperate to run some test right now just on it's own because the lumps aren't quite away, it's like 1 biggish lump has broken up into smaller pieces so I defoe think the Letro is working, tho I only have 5 tabs left out of 30 so gna run at least another 2 boxes for sure,

would it be silly to run 500mgs Test in my circumstances ? I'm thinking yes ...

Just desperate to get back on, Letro will be in my diet forever, really.
 
Yeah some of them are designer steroids. But they still work like a charm. Give the letro a little bit more time then seriously think about a low dose of test say 200mg /week for a period of time see how that sits with you. But if you are prone to gyno next time you cycle run Proviron it helps and A-dex at 25mg Proviron /day and .5mg A-dex Every other day. The proviron helps a few ways but its big deal is binding to SHGB and keeping more of the compounds free and unbound. If you keep with the letro in cycle and add in the proviron you will see the same result a strict control over E issues.

I am a little prone myself and found Proviron to really help when running multiple compounds. Even at 25mgs one tab a day it works great at 50mg a day and the .5A-dex I almost never have issues unless I am using a lot of shit.
 
benzoman12345 said:
Msten and these orals you have mentioned are these Pro-hormones ? Just that I've never heard of em and I've got a quality source and never came across em,

I am desperate to run some test right now just on it's own because the lumps aren't quite away, it's like 1 biggish lump has broken up into smaller pieces so I defoe think the Letro is working, tho I only have 5 tabs left out of 30 so gna run at least another 2 boxes for sure,

would it be silly to run 500mgs Test in my circumstances ? I'm thinking yes ...

Just desperate to get back on, Letro will be in my diet forever, really.
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When the lump has completely gone don't forget to taper off the Letro slowly or jump on Adex to avoid rebound...

I wouldn't automatically assume staying on Letro for life is your best course of action for the future, managing estrogen better, careful selection of compounds, regular blood tests might be your best course... IMO..

Remember estrogen isn't inherently bad, just too much of it is..!! (I've a post somewhere dedicated to the beneficial effects of estrogen on muscle growth, GH, IGF-1 etc)...

I've just re-read your post on gyno.. Apparently you may have issues with Deca.. I have a paper showing its about 60% as estrogenic as estrogen, but its effect is mediated through AR (androgen receptor), not aromatization or ER (estrogen receptor) binding... You may have to abstain from Deca, and carefully choose what future compounds better work for you without gyno issues...

Personally I'd be inclined to stay away from some of the newer powerful orals without a proper evaluation on how they may effect you.. Guido is very well versed and may best advise when the time is right...
Stick with what has been tried and tested for years... Test + Boldernone may be an excellent combo for you..

Regards what Neo just said on 200mg low dose:

It may be a sensible option in the near future as low dose androgen therapy may help your gyno issue...

Androgens are capable of inhibiting the estrogen-induced proliferation of mammary epithelial cells and abolish estrogen-induced augmentation of ER- expression. They also further promote pro-apoptotic (cell-killing) effects in a wide variety of breast cancer cell lines.

Zhou J, Ng S, Adesanya-Famuiya O, Anderson K, Bondy CA. Testosterone inhibits estrogen-induced mammary epithelial proliferation and suppresses estrogen receptor expression. FASEB J. 2000 Sep;14(12):1725-30.

Kandouz M, Lombet A, Perrot JY, Jacob D, Carvajal S, Kazem A, Rostene W, Therwath A, Gompel A. Proapoptotic effects of antiestrogens, progestins and androgen in breast cancer cells. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1999 Apr-Jun;69(1-6):463-71.


Selective estrogen receptor-β activation stimulates skeletal muscle growth and regeneration.
Velders M, Schleipen B, Fritzemeier KH, Zierau O, Diel P.
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Department Molecular and Cellular Sports Medicine, Deutsche Sporthochschule Köln, Am Sportpark Müngersdorf 6, 50933 Köln, Germany.
Abstract
There is increasing evidence suggesting that estrogens augment skeletal muscle regeneration processes after injury. To study the contribution of estrogen receptors α and β (ERα and ERβ) during muscle regeneration, skeletal muscles of ovariectomized (OVX) rats, as well as ERα- and ERβ-knockout (αErko and βErko) mice, were injured with a myotoxin (notexin). OVX rats were simultaneously treated with the ER-selective ligands genistein, ERα agonist 16α-LE2 (alpha), ERβ agonist 8β-VE2 (beta), or 17β-estradiol (E(2)). OVX rats showed significantly elevated serum creatine kinase (CK) activity after muscle injury compared to intact sham-treated animals. Treatment with ER ligands significantly reduced CK activity. TNF-α, IL-10, and MCP-1 expression served to characterize immune responses. Treatment with all ER ligands, but particularly E(2) and beta, reduced TNF-α, but elevated MCP-1 and IL-10 expression. PCNA and MyoD expression served to define satellite cell activation and proliferation and were found to be up-regulated by beta and E(2). To further study muscle regeneration responses, expression of the embryonic myosin heavy chain (MHC) was analyzed. Beta and E(2) but not alpha increased embryonic MHC expression compared to OVX. The absence of ERβ in βErko mice negatively affected CK activity levels and expression of satellite cell and muscle regeneration markers (MHC embryonic, MyoD, Pax7) compared with αErko and wild-type mice. In a classic Hershberger assay using male rats, beta stimulated muscle growth, accompanied by a strong induction of IGF-1 expression. Our data provide evidence that ERβ signaling is involved in the regulation of skeletal muscle growth and regeneration by stimulating anabolic pathways, activating satellite cells and modulating immune responses.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22278942
 
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benzoman12345 said:
What are you guys currently Blasting/Cruisng on ?
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50mg Desoxytestosterone Acetate ED
100mg Trenbolone Acetate ED
800mg Equipoise EW
300mg Super Test (75mg test isocaproate/ 75mg test cypionate/ 75mg test decanoate/ 75mg test enanthate) EW
100mg Epistane ED
20mg Superdrol ED
15mg Exemestane ED
0.25mg Cabergolone E3D
500mcg of Methytreniolone (Preworkout use only, only using for 2 weeks to review it, then I'm saving the rest for if I need to beat the shit out of someone.)
50mcg of T3 ED
 
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benzoman12345 said:
I have never used EQ but it sounds like 1 I definitely will at some point, of course I'm dying to Try Trenbolone because of the Super Ripped gains from it, I think I would have a hard time with side effects so would never use Enanthate or anything Long Acting, Ace all the way , as with Nandrolone NPP all the way for reasons I've already moaned about enough lol,

Can EQ convert at all ?

Another steroid I don't hear anything about is Masteron Drostanolone Prop, wich makes me want to find out more about it, to my knowledge that is dry and doesn't convert as well,

I wonder if anybody has ran a super Dry cycle, Tren, Masteron, Primo, Anavar, EQ, I've thought about it myself, but then I think what's the point, use better mass gainers and just have the right precautions on hand this time you tool :)

T-Bol, another 1 I want to find out more about as well as Halo, and Primo tablets, if Primo is so weak it's funny they make tablets, I think I would run both injectable Primo and Oral Primo if I was going to use it at all based on the reports.
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You don't use Tren until you are lean enough and have some mass to polish. Tren Etanthate is side effects in a vial and the point of Tren is fast acting mutation so Acetate all the way indeed.

Equipoise coverts a bit to estrogen but not much. It also converts to small amounts of the powerful steroid Dihydroboldenone. I like EQ, Needs to be run for a while to get the ebst out of it and the gains are slow but quality. I been on it for a year now. I love it. It can give some people anxiety and serious blood pressure issues so always start small and work your way up in dosage.

Masteron is something you shouldn't use until single digit body fat at moderate dosages. Low dosages of it are good for anti-estrogen effects.

I run dry cycles all the time now that I am in more of an advanced level.

Halotestin I wouldn't worry about unless you plan on competing and even then you gotta have serious mass and be lean as fuck for it to shine.

They primarily make Primobolan Tablets for women.
 
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50mg Desoxytestosterone Acetate ED
100mg Trenbolone Acetate ED
800mg Equipoise EW
300mg Super Test (75mg test isocaproate/ 75mg test cypionate/ 75mg test decanoate/ 75mg test enanthate) EW
100mg Epistane ED
20mg Superdrol ED
15mg Exemestane ED
0.25mg Cabergolone E3D
500mcg of Methytreniolone (Preworkout use only, only using for 2 weeks to review it, then I'm saving the rest for if I need to beat the shit out of someone.)
50mcg of T3 ED
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Ah fuck man, you've set my lulz-bar high for today. And it's only 8:15am :D bahahahaha
 
about 50mg a week.

so 250mg test e a week is NOT trt, its bodybuilding dose.

trt would be about 1/2 that imo. for no sides, best bang for buck, you'd still fail the olympics ped test. even 125mg a week is super human. not joking!
 
cityturbo said:
about 50mg a week.

so 250mg test e a week is NOT trt, its bodybuilding dose.

trt would be about 1/2 that imo. for no sides, best bang for buck, you'd still fail the olympics ped test. even 125mg a week is super human. not joking!
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The average weekly dose of natural testosterone is somewhere between 40-70mg dependant on the individual..

250mg of exogenous testosterone is only 169.5mg when the enanthate ester weight has been subtracted....

Accounting for a half-life of about 5 days, that equates to 84.75mg over 5 days, or 118.65mg/week...

Depending upon the site of administration (Glutes, Quads, Delts) the bio-availability can reduce to between 78-56 or 53% respectively...

Therefore this could be as low as 62mg... Or somewhere between 92-66-62mg..... (before you compound the half-lifes')

Working on the above method 125mg/week will be something like 46-33-31mg... Not really super human IMO..!!
 
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Serotonin101 said:
How you liking methyltrienelone? Pissing blood yet?
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I opted to use it ED for an experiment and my piss turned orange and I started feeling fatigued. I also didn't like how it affected my temper. It would be great for a preworkout but using it ED like a standard oral, fuck no.
 
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Ah fuck man, you've set my lulz-bar high for today. And it's only 8:15am :D bahahahaha
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I will probably be dropping the Equipoise and possibly the Trenbolone and running Deca instead for the winter to bulk up. Mentally I think I need a break from the Trenbolone.
 
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I will probably be dropping the Equipoise and possibly the Trenbolone and running Deca instead for the winter to bulk up. Mentally I think I need a break from the Trenbolone.
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Mind explaining how tren is affecting you mentally?
 
I'm curious about that as well, it's the anger and anxiety and stuff I think would affect me from what I've heard about it, I suffer with these things naturally.
 
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