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Roofie

Roofie

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Hi guys, im new here so first of all i want to say hello fellow drugies ;)
To make a long story short, i have a bitter sweet past with tramadol. But something I really never got was the fact that people everywhere describe this drug as a 'mild' opioid.
Now okay, maybe it is.. but I've done my research in practice with a lot off opiates including: Thebacon, codeine, dihydrocodeine, ethylmorphine, buprenorphine, 7-AH, Tilidine, oxy and genuine poppy tea.
Now i know these aren't the most strong opiates out there (except for some) but in none of them i find the recurring urge to use them so frequently. I really can't say what it is about this drug BUT I do find that tramadol should be acknowledged as a genuine addictive 'semi-synthetic' opioid.
Everybody that tell's me that this stuff isn't addicting (like 3 out of 4 doctors in Belgium) doesn't know what he's talking about. Been through withdrawal almost 20 times (I know that's a lot of relapses, but oddly so, after being sober the 2nd day after 3 days of taking at max 400mg's day I noticed really present withdrawal symptoms. And i can assure u guys tampering off tramadol is not the thing u want to be doing if you are planning to get your sh*t done. The combination of the SSRI and opioid properties just give this a detox from hell. Still bizar, even now i can't refuse them if I get offered a couple, quite illogical if you know my past and the fact that i don't even like the drug anymore. It's just that freaking crave..
Now i went a lil bit of topic here but just had to share this with u guys, now my true question is:

Does somebody here share my opinion? And if so, i would like u to rate the following aspects on a scale of 1 to 10.

addictivity?

bodyload?

overal feel?

And my last question for generally experienced opiate users is: If u could place Tramadol, codeine, oxy (or other opiates u may have used) in a small ranking, where would tramadol be ?


Cheers guys, :)

Roofie
 
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Most know my opinion on tramadol; that it's both underappreciated and underestimated by many. Most of all it's simply ineffective in most which leads most people to accept and believe these (false) assumptions.

Doc's in belgium (as I can confirm from personal experience) are more often than not oblivious to the dependence tramadol can bring. I've said it here before to everyone who wants to hear it and so I'll say it again.

Painkiller properties: tramadol = oxy in efficacy. (for me; chronic back condition) For a headache, tram won't work. But guess what? APAP will. Oxy will too, but if APAP works why take oxy? Therapeutically speaking.

/e: Amphetamine induced rants are the best. Aren't they Roofie? Lulz. =D

Addiction potential: For me with oxy the problem is, I cannot handle the presence of pain pills this potent without it becoming a serious addiction. Same goes for tramadol and also tilidine to a lesser degree. Most will probably be thinking "tramadol, potent? addictive? wut?", but if you had my liver metabolism you'd believe me, I'm sure. I've messed w/ oxy, fent, bupe etc and I can honestly say tramadol beats fent for me in terms of addiction, 'fiendishness', aswell as withdrawal symptoms hands down.

Recreational potential: opiate naive? I'll take the tramadol or tilidine thank you very much. With a tolerance, sure, the oxy will work better. It's not like I even prefer oxy's effect to tram's or tilidine's (I prefer both over oxy tbh), it's just that oxy is the only one that will still work when my tolerance is higher.

So, in that sense I'd say tram is "less addictive" in general as in; it doesn't work on ALOT of people and for the people it does work well for, the max dose (400) is quickly reached. At this point a higher dose will most likely just stop doing it for you. It almost seems like there's a 'ceiling dose' (somewhat similar codeine) when crossing ~4-500mg. And only few people can (or will, which is for the best) take 6-800mg (or more) and call it a good time. But to me personally it's atleast as, if not more, fiendish than oxycodone.

So, I'd say in general it's not more addictive, but I also say dependence to tramadol is tougher to overcome than oxy, I don't think that alot of people who hate tramadol have experienced its withdrawals, so I feel it's safe to say "in general" applies for this as well. That's all taken from my personal experience with the substances, so bear with me.

Good thread, I like threads where tram gets bashed so I can "defend" it, meaning I think it's ridiculous how overlooked tramadol is sometimes.
 
So in other words we could call us 'two of the lucky few' that will get really really high from tramadol ? Thanks for the reply mate, cuz that's exactly the same perspective I have about tramz.
Now one of my theories like we already talked about in RL is the fact that it hits so many receptors in your brain.. but that doesn't explain why you and i get crazy high off them and number three doesn't feel apesh*t. It certainly explains the terrible withdrawal though..


Intresting fact btw: In 2013, researchers discovered that tramadol is also produced naturally in relatively high concentrations in the roots of the African pin cushion tree.
So Semi-synthetic opioid says who .....? ;)
 
Waste of time, unless you are one of those rare ones who seem to love them. If you have any sort of tolerance to Opiates/oids I'd find something stronger. I wouldn't pay $0.25 for one.
 
It's a hit or miss drug, I've heard that some people can't metabolize it at all really and don't get relief/any effect from it. It's kinda weak, but if you disregard harm reduction and go over 400mg it will hit harder. I do not advocate doing that however as the seizure risk goes up a lot and that is definitely bad news bears.

I like it at 100mg, I like it at much higher doses too... it's versatile.
 
SirTophamHat said:
It's a hit or miss drug, I've heard that some people can't metabolize it at all really and don't get relief/any effect from it. It's kinda weak, but if you disregard harm reduction and go over 400mg it will hit harder. I do not advocate doing that however as the seizure risk goes up a lot and that is definitely bad news bears.

I like it at 100mg, I like it at much higher doses too... it's versatile.
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It indeed it is, it gives me a range of effects in between stimulation and euphoria that will end up in a totally lethargic opiate nod in which i literaly will fall a sleep while eating a plate of spaghetti that'll eventually end on the floor while i'm peacefully snoring along (and I'm talking about a 200 mg dosage now). I've taken up to 800 mg's of which I know isn't a safe choice but I find that only the duration of the drug get's a little more extended and not so much the potency.. plus when i dose over 400 I standard take a K pin 1 - 2 mg's to counteract the seizure risk. so that means a pretty potent benzo with almost as 4 times as much tramadol which doesn't give me THAT MUCH of an extra nod.
(again people this is not a safe combination due to CNS depression and u are not 100 percent certain that u won't get a seizure)
It absolutely is a fascinating and wonderfull drug for people who are prone to it's effects..

Just wondering who else around here gets these effects .. :)
 
Tramadol helps my pain and I'm careful to only use it "as needed." Being that I had been addicted to oxy in the past, I never want to get that way again where I have to take something or else be sick without it. Agree with SirTophamHat, it is hit or miss but sometimes I feel a slightly opiated head-buzz. The only thing I don't like about tramadol is frequently I get headaches as it wears off.
 
^ ³th on the headache.

Enjoying some good trama's atm, so hard to deny them like I said. With a amphetamine filled night behind me, the effects are indescribably relaxing..

Oh yeah another strange thing that frequently occurs is the time between dosing and effects. Someone else here randomly noticing a really late onset and with late i mean +/- 4 hours?
 
I've had a bit of experience with Tramadol about a year ago, had an injury and was prescribed way more Tramadol then I needed. I would usually dose between 200-400mg on a daily basis for a month straight and it helped with pain, and felt good. Although, compared to other pain killers, it didn't really stand up to say, Oxycodone IMO.

I've also had friends who have tried Tramadol and had lousy experiences. It can really vary from person to person when it comes to Tramadol.
 
I used it to help me with withdrawal symptoms and well it didn't do shit for me. I ended up having a bad experience from it. I know it could have been from the ssri, but I even took it again without being on one and again had nothing good come of it. I have a thread that I wrote below about it and this was on a smaller dose. Just imagine how I was feeling when I was taking 800mgs... I just honestly think that there are a lot of negative side effects with this drug (from what I have experienced and what I have heard from others). Besides that, like other's have said, it is completely worthless imo.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/564991-(Tramadol-150-mg)-(Celexa-40-mg)-(marijuana)
 
Seyer said:
Because heroin, and various other opiates that we find more enjoyable than Tramadol. Its worthless to me as well, never got anything from it.
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Kk, but bfotd might still get something out of it when he got zero tolerance, no? Or permatolerance'd by heroin? iirc he's been through one before posting about a few nice tram experiences.
 
tramadol is nice with zero tolerance, but it's dirty as hell, but it was nice when i had no other opiates. beats fucking codeine, thats for sure.
 
I used to love tramadol when I first started taking opiates. Not on the level of stronger opiates/opioids but the fact that they were so easy to get was a big plus. The high I got from them wasn't too shabby either. I should mention I metabolize opiates VERY effectively and so does my mother (idk about my dad) because she was given codeine cough syrup when she was sick and 1 household tableapoon of codeine would put her to sleep for hours, its crazy how strong it affects her and I must've inherited this from her, albeit in a MUCH milder way. Tramadol used to be a great 8 hour strong buzz for me along with minor stimulation. This stuff was amazingly effective for me as was codeine. But then it got to the point where I would require at least 400mgs to achieve half the buzz as before in which it simply became not worth the risk of seizures for such a measley high.

At higher doses the serotonergic effects become uncomfortable for me. I remember taking a single hit of weed and started trembling, I ran to my bed and had to turn everything off and lie facedown into a pillow. To this day I feel like I was teetering along the edges of a seizure at which point I realized tramadol is just not worth it. It also had too many interactions and dulled the effects of weed alot.

I moved on to stronger opiates for a while then stopped for a period of at least 2 years. When I started taking opiates again I discovered kratom and figured although it's best to not have any addiction kratom is certainly more tame than oxy or hydro so switched to kratom as my DOC and other opiods once a week. I've tried taking tramadol since switching to this schedule and it's worthless as shit. No buzz, pure anxiety, antsy stimulation. Only way I'll take tramadol is when I'm in withdrawal. Otherwise you couldn't pay me to take that shit.

The fact that doctors still believe tramadol is the 'safer' non-addictive route infuriates me to no other. That shit is SOOO much worst than real opioids but because it doesn't get you as high it's okay. It doesn't take a genious to realize that if a drug works in the same way as an opiate and an ssri that there will be withdrawals upon cessation. What makes doctors think otherwise? Pure stupidity and ignorance. My mother was a care-giver for the elderly when I was in highschool and one of the ladies she took care of was on focalin, tramadol, AND sertraline at the same time (all in max daily reccomended dosages btw) and refused to give her anything else for her extreme pain besides tylenol 3's. My mother is a very compassionate woman and it hurt her to see how much pain this woman was going through and how the doctors refuse to give her anything effective. It was truely a sad sight. Also what doctor in their right mind would prescribe a stimulant with tramadol and an SSRI? Just goes to show you doctors aren't always fit for their job.
 
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Roofie said:
Hi guys, im new here so first of all i want to say hello fellow drugies ;)
To make a long story short, i have a bitter sweet past with tramadol. But something I really never got was the fact that people everywhere describe this drug as a 'mild' opioid.
Now okay, maybe it is.. but I've done my research in practice with a lot off opiates including: Thebacon, codeine, dihydrocodeine, ethylmorphine, buprenorphine, 7-AH, Tilidine, oxy and genuine poppy tea.
Now i know these aren't the most strong opiates out there (except for some) but in none of them i find the recurring urge to use them so frequently. I really can't say what it is about this drug BUT I do find that tramadol should be acknowledged as a genuine addictive 'semi-synthetic' opioid.
Everybody that tell's me that this stuff isn't addicting (like 3 out of 4 doctors in Belgium) doesn't know what he's talking about. Been through withdrawal almost 20 times (I know that's a lot of relapses, but oddly so, after being sober the 2nd day after 3 days of taking at max 400mg's day I noticed really present withdrawal symptoms. And i can assure u guys tampering off tramadol is not the thing u want to be doing if you are planning to get your sh*t done. The combination of the SSRI and opioid properties just give this a detox from hell. Still bizar, even now i can't refuse them if I get offered a couple, quite illogical if you know my past and the fact that i don't even like the drug anymore. It's just that freaking crave..
Now i went a lil bit of topic here but just had to share this with u guys, now my true question is:

Does somebody here share my opinion? And if so, i would like u to rate the following aspects on a scale of 1 to 10.

addictivity?

bodyload?

overal feel?

And my last question for generally experienced opiate users is: If u could place Tramadol, codeine, oxy (or other opiates u may have used) in a small ranking, where would tramadol be ?


Cheers guys, :)

Roofie
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addictivity? no. i used to take it to get a high off it and i would feel good off 250 mgs but i always had to blaze trees on it or i wouldnt feel as good. with a tolerance tho its not that good. its a great energy booster and a awesome mood lifter when combined with subs. also is pretty good for helping with withdraws IME

bodyload? fuck no. take a load off is more like it.

overal feel? no tolerance it doesnt really feel like much. slight mood lift and little euphoria. awesome mood lifter and synergizes great with suboxne.
 
for me; A large dose (200mg) can get me nodding. It is euphoric, it is better than morphine / heroin(which doesn't work for me well). Didn't really get addicted to tram, but i did use it once or twice a week for ~2years.

in the set of a long break. After a while of using it weekly it becomes hit and miss, but still better than most drugs. When i started with tramadol it's euphoric effects can be compared with molly. But with tramadol you feel no anxiety at all, etc.

I don't know , it's almost a tie between oxy->tramadol. PillToChill is right.


Haven't used opiates in almost a year except once. Not sure if i feel better from it, my mind is still weird haha. But i guess it's a good thing for tolerance.
 
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