Prepping coke for IV use..

[knock]

I need the exact figures for this chart I'm plotting of Brimz's drug taking. Could do with dates and times too, to be quite honest. I can only glean a fraction of the truth from the I'm fucked thread.

 

[babylonboy]

Double-blind, placebo controlled data or bust.

 

[brimz]

It's not really important anyway is it? Once upon a time you did some great coke. I think that's the long and short of it, right?

was fukin last week !!!

 

[brimz]

I need the exact figures for this chart I'm plotting of Brimz's drug taking. Could do with dates and times too, to be quite honest. I can only glean a fraction of the truth from the I'm fucked thread.

Was to fuked to post this sesh knock

 

[knock]

The Guardian pay reduced fees if accuracy can't be trusted!

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

It definitely wouldn't be. But it's really not a thing to be aiming for

I'm sorry Shambles but I beg to differ. I respect a lot of what you've posted on here and I love the way you can tell a tale but 250mg of actual pure coke IV'd is definitely goodnight Irene material unless you have major tolerance issues IMO. Cornishman OD'd off 175mg and said it wasn't even the best flake really, I'd say that's a good bench mark.

I think the doses Brimz was trying to suggest but got a little mixed up if you were IV'ing "pure" would be more appropriate. I'd start at 25mg and max 70mg. If you try sniffing the 85%+ labtested coke I've not known many people to actually enjoy much more than 20-50mg in a line. I did an 8th gram line once and thought I was going to have a heart attack, couldn't speak. This is as I say though, with no tolerance.

The major factor to consider in all this is most IV coke users are likely buying whatever they can get their hands on and it's nowhere near pure. I've seen some local £100 a g round here acetone wash to only .3 of actual cocaine. A lot of drugs are almost cut for safety I think sometimes. If Billy Big Balls down the pub did a gram bomb of pure phet he would know all about it, if you get what I'm saying. Purer drugs should only be available to those who know what the limits are. Better that than people dropping like flies left right and centre.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I did an 8th gram line once and thought I was going to have a heart attack, couldn't speak.

If the very same thing hadn't happened to me once - on only the second occasion I'd done coke - I'd laugh long and loud at the image you've given me. Fuck it, I'll laugh at you anyway. Sorry, Doctor.

 

[Shambles]

Purer drugs should only be available to those who know what the limits are. Better that than people dropping like flies left right and centre.

Couldn't disagree more. Cut drugs are exactly why it's so hard to suggest safe and sensible dosages to be using. I have no idea how good the coke I used to get for the brief period I was IVing powder coke was in the grand scheme. Washed up dandily with ammonia and I've never had better since though. Tolerance is a bitch. Doses can get sillyhigh. I have no intention of quoting my own IV ranges from back when I was an addict cos they are meaningless on their own. And I was an addict so highly tolerant. But 250mg is certainly feasible with high tolerance even if it is quality gear. But yeah, as everybody has said, nobody can really give a definite figure for first-time IV use cos none of us have any idea what is in the coke.

As with everything, start low and find your limits. Or don't start shooting coke in the first case, ideally.

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

No I mean for idiots in the pub mainly sniffing stuff as a ROA. Obviously anyone who's IV'ing/clued up enough to be using at that level is better with clean gear.

And after some online research I've actually found reports of someone shooting 1.8grams of coke, no idea of purity, they died. But still 250mg probably is pheasible, although if it was the flake I know I would not be willing to have that amount put up my nose nevermind IV'd.

I do honestly believe the likes of speed and cocaine are cut to fuck in this country though cos when people have the pure stuff they just overdo it and don't enjoy it. I'm on amphetamine right now and a couple of 20-30mg lines has done me well (hence the cleaning/internet research etc), if someone were to hoof up even 100mg of this I could see it being dangerous. Even the weaker stuff I did with some friends at the weekend some of them got greedy and couldn't sleep til Monday.

You could understand the Mr Bigs not wanting to sell on pure anything for these reasons, plus of course they're all likely to be greedy cunts who are more concerned with profit.

 

[Shambles]

I do honestly believe the likes of speed and cocaine are cut to fuck in this country though cos when people have the pure stuff they just overdo it and don't enjoy it.

I've often wondered this myself. As I've mentioned many times now, long time ago I used to get/use/sell rather a lot of phet. Was just when "base" putty was starting to come in and take over from oldskool sulphate powder. Was a nightmare to get shot of the stuff. People really did ask if I could cut it for 'em cos it was too strong - even offered to pay the same as if I hadn't cut it (cos it was going for double what standard speed was). I did try to just suggest they take less but I guess habits are hard to break and some just don't seem to see beyond the perceived macho-factor of who can sniff the biggest line. Was the same story with crystal meth - just couldn't shift it cos it was "too strong" for the average punter. Shame. But their loss - I was luvvin it :D

I suppose there would be room in my ideal world of full legalisation for drugs cut specifically for certain markets. There is a big difference between the addict holed up in a festering hole shooting back-to-back grammes around the clock and the group of Lads out for the night just wanting to sniff a lil perk-powder, for sure. Horses/courses. Drugs really could do with coming with the equivalent of an ABV listing on the package though :D

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

Yeah man, basically to tell the story I've had similar experience. I been doing a fair bit (not daily use) of amphetamine lately. I've been sensible eaten, slept, went to work, benzos etc. I love the stuff pure as it can be, I used to be big on my coke, these days fuck paying £100 of my hard earned dosh for a gram of what is potentially (infact highly likely still cut) coke. Ad I find amphetamine makes me more productive, able to learn new things and is a better party drug due to the fact you don't need a line every hour.

However my friends even with the 50% ish stuff I picked up last week just took too much (I put the lot on a plate and pretty much said help yourselves - they did lol). I would far rather put a small line up my nose of pure stuff than a large line containing glucose or worse still active cuts. But pure phet locally I can't imagine selling it would be a good idea. With the rise of the Mephedrone Era I think people got used to taking huge lines every 2 minutes and that was the party, no actual worthwhile banter going on like there was at the weekend on that speed. Coke seshes tend to turn to arrogant who is the guy type chat aswell which I can't be fucked with anymore much.

The only way I could think of you could actually give people uncut speed and them not overdo it is to capsule it up yourself and limit their supply. Either that or cut it to 25% with maltodextrin but that would seem a bit like corrupting something that should be shown in all it's glory.

Out of 5 of us at the weekend who did the speed only 2 of us escaped a comedown and it was because we appreciated that strong speed doesn't want hoofed. I can't see how legalization of substances like amphetamines, cocaine, mephedrone etc could ever work though. Sure with heroin or whatever benzos etc it could be done well and save the country a fortune and literally save lives. But how do you deem the appropriate maximum amount of stimulants someone can be prescribed? It would be near impossible to do without basically having a drug minder watching their consumption or something equally ridiculous. It's always a thought that's interested me as to how you could do it, because the way things are in the Netherlands is so much better the UK NEEDS to follow suit to some extent at least. Just look at the comparison in ecstacy deaths alone.

 

[wcote]

So leave it to the black market where people have no idea on purity?

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

No I believe the likes of SR actually made my drug consumption more sensible. I think if we could regulate it and actually educate people about what the right doses are (kind of erowid style) with stimulants too it could all be regulated. Then again you will always get someone who will get too greedy and overdo it, just speaking from what I've seen even among educated users like myself.

Something like if you could only buy half a gram of cocaine a day with a leaflet of what dose to take depending on which ROA and of course it would have to be completely pure. Idealist thinking though really. Never happening anytime soon.

 

[Sammy G]

From this:

I can't see how legalization of substances like amphetamines, cocaine, mephedrone etc could ever work though. Sure with heroin or whatever benzos etc it could be done well and save the country a fortune and literally save lives. But how do you deem the appropriate maximum amount of stimulants someone can be prescribed? It would be near impossible to do without basically having a drug minder watching their consumption or something equally ridiculous.

To this:

I think if we could regulate it and actually educate people about what the right doses are (kind of erowid style) with stimulants too it could all be regulated.

So in the first quote, people need to be supervised because they can't help themselves, yet a few posts later you believe they can be trusted to dose responsibly if they're given the correct information?

Seems inconsistent to me.

No I believe the likes of SR actually made my drug consumption more sensible.

How exactly?

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

IF they are given the correct information and educated from a young age then yes. If they are already cainers and have been for years then no. The Dutch are educated from a very young age about these things with balanced information and have far less problems.

SR made my consumption more sensible because instead of buying a power of stims locally, unknown purity, and having to fuck about acetone washing things I could just buy a small amount, and some benzos, learn my limits if that makes sense. I could have a few things around to ease comedowns or make sleep possible which would not be available to me locally. Also locally if I were to buy cocaine (high quality) I would have it pushed upon me ie people trying to lay you on minimum a half ounce or whatever at a terrible price.

It ment less dealing with arseholes and more researching about which was the cleanest product.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Sam?

 

[Shambles]

I can't see how legalization of substances like amphetamines, cocaine, mephedrone etc could ever work though. Sure with heroin or whatever benzos etc it could be done well and save the country a fortune and literally save lives. But how do you deem the appropriate maximum amount of stimulants someone can be prescribed? It would be near impossible to do without basically having a drug minder watching their consumption or something equally ridiculous. It's always a thought that's interested me as to how you could do it, because the way things are in the Netherlands is so much better the UK NEEDS to follow suit to some extent at least. Just look at the comparison in ecstacy deaths alone.

Yeah. Stims are probably the hardest recreationals to come up with a sensible policy for cos the fiend-factor is so intrinsic to most of 'em. However, I'm firmly of the belief that education is the answer. Let people play but educate them from day one - from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in primary school long before they should ever have reason to really need to know in detail. Age-appropriate and lifelong education and massively beefed-up support structures in place (no problem as so much money has been saved on pointless prosecutions and the like) . Same with sex education. Education, education, education. As somebody somewhere once lied. There is never gonna be any one single "answer" to the drug question cos it's many questions with many answers most of which come in shades of grey only. But pure, legal, controlled, taxed and educated has to be the best option for all society. There'll still be fuck-ups. Just not so many and far easier to manage when addiction can be separated from drugs. Focus on the real problem and leave the average punter to enjoy themselves with at least some level of safety involved.

 

[Sammy G]

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Sam?

No, your posts were just contradictory. Your explanation hasn't really altered that.

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

Not really Sam. It's quite simple infact. If educated erowid style from a young age and taught about doses, only sold at optimum purity once a day etc then I could see people using stimulants sensibly. If you started trying to prescribe a gram of meph a week today to the seasoned drug pigs around here they would be breaking into the shop and taking the lot.

Education is the key to a better future. Holland is the proof that it worked. The more I had to read into which vendor to buy my substances from the more I learnt what the do's/don'ts are. My drug habbit is nowhere near as bad as it used to be and I believe that is down to the fact that I've educated myself. A lot of people won't ever educate themselves so it needs taught at schools from a young age say 10 for it to work.

 

[Sammy G]

Again, that doesn't address the contradiction in the posts I quoted.

Never mind though, eh?

If you started trying to prescribe a gram of meph a week today to the seasoned drug pigs around here they would be breaking into the shop and taking the lot.

Where's 'around here'? Bluelight, or where you live?

In any case, 'seasoned drug pigs' are not representative of most people who use drugs. This is really going nowhere. Except further and further off-topic.

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

Sam stop being such a pedant, it's like you actually enjoy being awkward from what I gather Shambles made sense of what I was saying. Maybe going off the rails a bit lately the information is hard to process?

Around here being where I live. Drug pigs being both online and IRL. I would say in general the UK has a higher proportion of drug pigs than any other country I've visited in the EU anyway.