ALTERNATIVE THEORIES V: The Build-a-bear Workshop

[bit_pattern]

Acting as if they aren't is crazy and puts you in the realm of conspiracy theorists.

Pretty sure it's not me everybody is laughing at in this thread.

 

[L2R]

dear moderator escher w.,


it is with great reluctance that i even dream of considering to question the legitimacy and substance behind the arbitrary assertions i read online in your wonderful forum. i am aware of the utter lunacy of my endeavour and regret that i may have to inconvenience the peace and tranquility of this marvelous virtual space with my obnoxiously stubborn incredulity.

in the infinite wisdom held by the poster in inference, there was a claim that when one takes the irational and ultimately insane position in which one potentially finds oneself questionining the validity of the irrefutable existence of "chemtrails", one commits the vulgar act of prescribing to a conspiracy theory.

one unfortunate consequence of my obvious mental illness is that i am failing to comprehend how my unfortunate cognition is attributing to something involving a plan, plot or stratagem which involvs more than one person.

in the common parlance of the current times, throw me a motherfuckin bone, ya donkey punching shit herder.

most sincerely,
a. p. smoking professor

p.s. capital letters were sent by the devil to make young ladies wear skirts. i think to this we can all agree.

 

[bit_pattern]

I don't believe they are significant or a real threat but they are definitely real and anyone denying that (bit_pattern) has a radical view of the world based on fantasy.

Hilarious

 

[superelephant]

Chemtrails, LOL.

Oh good, I suppose I can rest easy now. I'm sure you've conducted a comprehensive MSDS calibration standard on soil samples from all regions that claim to be affected. (even though the burden of proof lies on those who make the claims, it's obvious that you are just an overachiever. burden of proof smurdan of proof amIright!) Which University did you obtain your Ph D in meteorology at again? Which channel do you appear on, again? Tell me, then in your next weather segment would you mind going into a quick diatribe debunking the other meteorologist? Can't have them fudging public perception, right? 8)

 

[superelephant]

Also, bit_pattern: Everyone knows Ancient Aliens is full of shit and the fact you spent 3 hours watching a video debunking it shows a slight delay in speed of thought.

lol

He has a point, bit pattern.

 

[bit_pattern]

lol

He has a point, bit pattern.

It's on par with chemtrails in the absurdity stakes. And, hey, I'm just watching a debunking because I'm interested in ancient history, you actually believe the chemtrails crap you watch. You should try watching the AA debunking, might teach you a thing or two about critical thinking and not swallowing any old incredulous nonsense you happen to come across.

 

[bit_pattern]

Oh good, I suppose I can rest easy now. I'm sure you've conducted a comprehensive MSDS calibration standard on soil samples from all regions that claim to be affected. (even though the burden of proof lies on those who make the claims, it's obvious that you are just an overachiever. burden of proof smurdan of proof amIright!) Which University did you obtain your Ph D in meteorology at again? Which channel do you appear on, again? Tell me, then in your next weather segment would you mind going into a quick diatribe debunking the other meteorologist? Can't have them fudging public perception, right? 8)

It's cute that you think TV weather guys have PhDs.

 

[superelephant]

It's cute that you think TV weather guys have PhDs.

Uh, what?

You're an idiot.

Having a PhD would obviously denote authority on the subject over other weather men/women. That's exactly why I said that, because I know that T.V. weather people usually have a lesser degree in meteorology....

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[bit_pattern]

Having a PhD would obviously denote authority on the subject over other weather men/women. That's exactly why I said that, because I know that T.V. weather people usually have a lesser degree in meteorology

Lol, you think that is what we were supposed to interpret from this?

Which University did you obtain your Ph D in meteorology at again? Which channel do you appear on, again? Tell me, then in your next weather segment would you mind going into a quick diatribe debunking the other meteorologist?

I really think the question should be what the fuck are YOU talking about?

 

[bit_pattern]

Um, guys.

I thought I'd humour you and actually watch your videos but they aren't even talking about "chemtrails", they're talking about military radar countermeasures that have been widely used since WW2.

I hate to break it to you but when the military releases chaff it doesn't even look like the kinds of contrails that are persistently put forward as evidence of "chemtrails"

Your hypothesis is internally inconsistent.

I'm sure you've conducted a comprehensive MSDS calibration standard on soil samples from all regions that claim to be affected. (even though the burden of proof lies on those who make the claims, it's obvious that you are just an overachiever. burden of proof smurdan of proof amIright!)

Um, no. You're wrong. EW wasn't making a claim, he was laughing at at the claims you guys are making. The burden of proof is entirely on you. And now the burden of proof is on you to show: a). what regions are being affected; b). how they're being affected; and c) why relatively small (relative to the geographic distribution) innocuous strips of aluminium released high in the stratosphere would have any effect on any soil anywhere for any reason whatsoever.

 

[superelephant]

Lol, you think that is what we were supposed to interpret from this?

You misinterpret everything I post, so I'm not surprised you didn't.

I really think the question should be what the fuck are YOU talking about?

Sarcasm. Obviously.

Um, guys.

I thought I'd humour you and actually watch your videos but they aren't even talking about "chemtrails", they're talking about military radar countermeasures that have been widely used since WW2.

Ah, you seemed to have doubts concerning whether government planes have ever dropped chemicals from the sky. I merely took at hand the task of getting you to admit that it does indeed happen, at least in the strictest sense. You did that quite nicely by the way.

I hate to break it to you but when the military releases chaff it doesn't even look like the kinds of contrails that are persistently put forward as evidence of "chemtrails"

actually, it looks quite like it, a difference in the mechanism of delivery is conspicuous though.

Your hypothesis is internally inconsistent.

You don't even know my hypothesis.

Um, no. You're wrong. EW wasn't making a claim, he was laughing at at the claims you guys are making. The burden of proof is entirely on you.

and you're still hung up on the sarcasm.

And now the burden of proof is on you to show: a). what regions are being affected; b). how they're being affected; and c) why relatively small (relative to the geographic distribution) innocuous strips of aluminium released high in the stratosphere would have any effect on any soil anywhere for any reason whatsoever.

First, describing dropping aluminum from the sky, in any context, is not innocuous. Even if the immediate effects are unknown you can pretty much guarantee it will effect something, even if it just is the weather forecast. (which you should view as proven at this point. )

Second, lets back up. My comment I left after quoting escher conflated chemtrails and chaff purposefully, as his response was vapid and came off as he was doing so as well. Notice how in my original comment to you I didn't mention chemtrails.


"and if they are absolutely not spraying anything at all, ever, then explain why meteorologist are having to explain to people that what's showing up on radar definitely isn't rain?"

I did that partly because I knew you wouldn't watch the fucking video as it would have been really easy for you to have made this distinction at the beginning of the conversation.

Lets go ahead and get back on the topic of chemtrails though. They are accused of being laden with barium, among other things. Since aluminum saturation varies wildly, and it has been dropped from military planes over regions, I fear it wouldn't be reliable indicator of much, so lets try looking into barium and the rest of what they are accused to consist of.

Now, as far a me gathering evidence myself, it's in the works. But increased barium levels have been found all over the place, and has even been attributed to cloud seeding

High levels of Silver (Ag), Barium (Ba) and Strontium (Sr) and low levels of copper (Cu) have been measured in the antlers, soils and pastures of the deer that are thriving in the chronic wasting disease (CWD) cluster zones in North America in relation to the areas where CWD and other transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) have not been reported. The elevations of Ag, Ba and Sr were thought to originate from both natural geochemical and artificial pollutant sources--stemming from the common practice of aerial spraying with 'cloud seeding' Ag or Ba crystal nuclei for rain making in these drought prone areas of North America, the atmospheric spraying with Ba based aerosols for enhancing/refracting radar and radio signal communications as well as the spreading of waste Ba drilling mud from the local oil/gas well industry across pastureland.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15236778

When I am able to actually test areas around where I live I'll post the results here for everyone.

(Not that I actually believe in chemtrails, I don't 'believe in' much. although I am suspicious because they always form and persist for the same duration of time, and adopt the same spreading patterns without any variety, despite presumably changing conditions in the atmosphere. You should watch the original video I posted now. I posted it here because it was odd and that's about it. I was hoping someone could explain that actually. I do take any claim of threat to health extraordinarily seriously. I'll give you a quick example. Everyone I know thinks I'm crazy when I tell them to avoid air fresheners, among many other things like new shower curtains, driving newer model cars without the windows open, canned food, anything with an added fragrance such as smell good soaps, shampoos, and conditioners, consuming anything out of plastic etc etc etc etc. extra etc's because that's only scratching the surface. The reason I avoid these things myself and try to inform others is because exposure to plasticizers which leech from plastics and are added directly to most fragrances wreak havoc on ones endocrine system. heres a link, please do your own research if you are unaware, this isn't even close to an alternate theory by the way. http://www.nrdc.org/health/home/airfresheners/fairfresheners.pdf )

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Oh good, I suppose I can rest easy now. I'm sure you've conducted a comprehensive MSDS calibration standard on soil samples from all regions that claim to be affected. (even though the burden of proof lies on those who make the claims, it's obvious that you are just an overachiever. burden of proof smurdan of proof amIright!) Which University did you obtain your Ph D in meteorology at again? Which channel do you appear on, again? Tell me, then in your next weather segment would you mind going into a quick diatribe debunking the other meteorologist? Can't have them fudging public perception, right? 8)

Wait, "MSDS calibration standard"? As far as I know, if you say MSDS in a lab, you'd be most likely referring to a Material Safety Data Sheet - a sheet of information the government mandates for any material that may be hazardous, and that manufacturers, in true cover-thy-ass fashion, produce for almost anything.

"MSDS calibration standard" isn't a phrase that I've heard, and when I enter it into Google, with quotes, I get the MSDS for a few substances used to calibrate certain pieces of equipment. It does not appear to be a commonly used term.

Which makes me think you are misunderstanding the science or quoting someone who does not.

As far as I know*, what you'd use to analyze soil samples is either chromatography or mass spectrometry**

And why are you referencing meteorologists? You jump directly from material science to weather. So what now, are you advocating that chemtrails are some sort of weather control device***?

Meh, contrails have a valid, and mostly harmless, scientific explanation. The conspiracy theory requires the massive and ongoing coverup by aircraft technicians, airport workers, and scientists. It's an extraordinary claim and it requires extraordinary proof.

But, at this point, I feel this is appropriate:




* And I could be wrong, but probably not as wrong as you.
** Hopefully spellcheck is getting those words right, if not, well this will be embarassing!
*** Technically contrails do influence climate, but not in the way conspiracy theorists suggest. People have written papers on this, with the grounding of planes in the aftermath of 9/11 providing some interesting controls.

 

[blue1995]

LOL "Rainbow Sprinkler Conspiracy"

 

[superelephant]

Wait, "MSDS calibration standard"? As far as I know, if you say MSDS in a lab, you'd be most likely referring to a Material Safety Data Sheet - a sheet of information the government mandates for any material that may be hazardous, and that manufacturers, in true cover-thy-ass fashion, produce for almost anything.

"MSDS calibration standard" isn't a phrase that I've heard, and when I enter it into Google, with quotes, I get the MSDS for a few substances used to calibrate certain pieces of equipment. It does not appear to be a commonly used term.

Nice catch. I typed that in a hurry last night, that coupled with not hearing the phrase for awhile caused that, sorry. I meant GC/MS calibration standard. heres a link for you, http://clu-in.org/download/ert/1807-r20.pdf

again, I'm sorry about that.

As for the rest of your comment read the last one I left to bit pattern, I feel it's slightly ahead of the questions you have asked. Also bit pattern already posted a video that covers that (obviously that lady is really, really stupid.) so to me it's obvious you aren't paying much attention to the convo (unless you thought I needed to see it twice?)

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

That rainbow sprinkler video really deserves to be posted multiple times.

But considering soil analysis is cheap enough to do even at a community college level, it seems very unlikely that chemicals from contrails has been overlooked.

Someone would have noticed an unknown chemical, publicized the results, and triggered an investigation. If, for nothing else, than notoriety or profit.

 

[superelephant]

But considering soil analysis is cheap enough to do even at a community college level, it seems very unlikely that chemicals from contrails has been overlooked.

Someone would have noticed an unknown chemical, publicized the results, and triggered an investigation. If, for nothing else, than notoriety or profit.

Seems you still didn't make your way through the conversation. This has already happened. I haven't heard one claim that anything is related to an 'unknown' chemical.

read the convo if you're going to comment again. otherwise I'm just going to wait for bit pattern.

 

[the toad]

The other chemtrail...

 

[bloodshed344]

Pretty sure it's not me everybody is laughing at in this thread.

Why are you acting like you're crazy? It's sane to believe Internet conspiracies. Questioning them is crazy!

I don't care if you're laughing at me, that just ruins your credibility. Do you know what "chemtrails" are? They're weather manipulation clouds. It's nothing crazy and you guys are making yourselves look bad. Look up "cloud seeding".



I posted this in the other thread but you ignored it and posted a snarky comment, pretending you were right for some reason.

http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/GeoEng_Jan2709.pdf

Oh look, it's the CFR, how coincidental.

Seriously, you guys should be receive a warning for this immature behavior.

Um, guys.

I thought I'd humour you and actually watch your videos but they aren't even talking about "chemtrails", they're talking about military radar countermeasures that have been widely used since WW2.

I hate to break it to you but when the military releases chaff it doesn't even look like the kinds of contrails that are persistently put forward as evidence of "chemtrails"

Your hypothesis is internally inconsistent.



Um, no. You're wrong. EW wasn't making a claim, he was laughing at at the claims you guys are making. The burden of proof is entirely on you. And now the burden of proof is on you to show: a). what regions are being affected; b). how they're being affected; and c) why relatively small (relative to the geographic distribution) innocuous strips of aluminium released high in the stratosphere would have any effect on any soil anywhere for any reason whatsoever.

Just because you confuse contrails and chemtrails doesn't mean everyone else does. We're not getting them confused. Chemtrails are cloud seeding. You, again, display much hubris when you're wrong. I noticed when I posted the sources in the other thread you went silent.

and I didn't make the claim that it would have an effect on soil, did you see me say that? The burden of proof is on you to disprove it because apparently Bill Nye fucking believes it and enjoys talking about it and you're just acting like you know it all because you can't seem to wrap your mind around this little concept of chemtrails.

 

[bloodshed344]

* And I could be wrong, but probably not as wrong as you.
** Hopefully spellcheck is getting those words right, if not, well this will be embarassing!
*** Technically contrails do influence climate, but not in the way conspiracy theorists suggest. People have written papers on this, with the grounding of planes in the aftermath of 9/11 providing some interesting controls.

1. You show bias by calling those you disagree with "conspiracy theorists". You're biased.

2. If you knew anything about the "theories" you'd know it's about CHEMTRAILS which are NOT CONTRAILS. You seem to be skimming over the conversation without consciously taking anything in so either get on subject or stop posting (spamming). We're talking about cloud seeding. Weather manipulation. Not motherfucking contrails, I mean really??

Seems you still didn't make your way through the conversation. This has already happened. I haven't heard one claim that anything is related to an 'unknown' chemical.

read the convo if you're going to comment again. otherwise I'm just going to wait for bit pattern.

No reason to wait for bit pattern, I posted proof of what we're talking about in another thread before the convo about it even started in this one and he ignored it, waited and posted a sarcastic comment because he knows he can't argue against sources.

Also, EW seems to be using some bad logic in his arguments against you, like he's high or something.

 

[L2R]

I don't care if you're laughing at me, that just ruins your credibility.

How so?

It's nothing crazy and you guys are making yourselves look bad.

People look bad when they disagree with you?

...

pretending you were right for some reason.

plenty of reasons has been posted, it seems like you missed it (over and over)

Seriously, you guys should be receive a warning for this immature behavior.

lol

You, again, display much hubris when you're wrong.

do you know what hubris is?

The burden of proof is on you to disprove it because apparently Bill Nye fucking believes it and enjoys talking about it and you're just acting like you know it all because you can't seem to wrap your mind around this little concept of chemtrails.

do you really think that this is a coherent sentence?

1. You show bias by calling those you disagree with "conspiracy theorists". You're biased.

No, that's what you did. Believing in "chemtrails" is to subscribe to the belief that there is a plot which involves more than one person, ie a conspiracy.

You were the one calling those who deny it "conspiracy theorists" even though there is no conspiracy in denial.

Do you understand the words "conspiracy" and "bias"? this statement seems to indicate that you don't.

2. If you knew anything about the "theories" you'd know it's about CHEMTRAILS which are NOT CONTRAILS. ...blah blah... Not motherfucking contrails, I mean really??

"i mean really?" is not a sentence nor a question.

Also, EW seems to be using some bad logic in his arguments against you, like he's high or something.

explain how.


this all reminds me how you avoided answering how old you were in another thread. it smacks of the naivety and ignorance of youth. nothing wrong with that, we were all naive and ignorant kids once.