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How do you conquer fear of Hallucinogens/psychadelics

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OddEnchilada

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I had a pretty bad experience with some 20X salvia a few months ago, and since then I have had a pretty big anxiety about any drugs that could cause anything like it again. What bugged me about it was it felt so completely real, it caused me to be pretty damn anxious about reality and how seemingly fake it could be. I could go into it but it would take a few paragraphs. I have heard of some pretty bad stories too. I read a story on the internet (so take it with a grain of salt) about a guy who smoked a lot of salvia and lived a whole other live as an alien and then woke up in his bed like half an hour later after what felt like 200 years. that is terrifying to me.

so have any of you had to deal with trips that really scared you? did you get past it or just stop taking drugs?
 
You probably should have researched Salvia a little more. Most people find it unpleasant (not me though) because of the intensity and come up. But I tried 900mcg of 25b-NBOME and had the worst trip of my life, now that come up was intense, and I have since questioned my ability to even try and have a trip again. I remember during the experience I kept telling myself "if I make it through this alive, I will never touch another synthetic psychedelics again". And I survived, so I've kept my promise thus far. Salvia is a good starting point though, because you're only gone for 15-25 minutes and you are back to baseline. Hope you find what you are looking for.
 
... yes, took a break, went back when I was ready.

13 years, it took.

After some difficult acid trips in the 80's & 90's I eventually gave it up in 1996 with perhaps 50 trips under my belt, even a couple of great ones. But some really difficult ones!

In 2009, after alot of reading & research I decided to look again at psychedelics & give some of the newly discovered & newly available options a go. I still haven't done LSD since the old days but I've had longer & in some cases stronger trips than I had back then. I suspect I've now doubled the amount of trips I've taken since 1988 to 100 or more, at least.

Incidentally, when I was a kid I was kept under for 48 hours in hospital after suffering bronchal asthma, & while I was under I lived about 5 years as some other kid, with different parents & a different life. When I awoke I did not recognise my own parents. Something similar happened when I was 25, had another massive asthma fuck up & got intubated & kept under for a week in ICU using Ketamine. When I awoke I lost the plot for awhile, went a bit psycho & didn't even know who I was. A nurse eventually got me a mirror & I was like, "woah, I've got dreads!". Lmao

Basically, a bad trip is a traumatic experience, but some people shrug off a traumatic experience every day. I'm sure some of our soldiers come home after witnessing or even comitting war crimes that make Britains recent case look like a sunny day on the beach by comparison & return home without the slightest mental issue. Others step on a couple snails & never get over it.

You'll regain your feet, it might take a month, or it might take 13 years ;)
 
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yeah I should have researched it more. glad I did it first though, Ill take it as a warning that im not ready. do you know how long your NBOME trip was?
 
Hey OddEnchilada ... sorry to hear about a less-than-enjoyable psychedelic experience. In reading your abbreviated version, though, I don't lock onto what was so fear-inducing. "Felt so completely real"; "reality and how seemingly fake it could be"; "lived a whole 200 year life as an alien" ... this is the shit we're looking for! (OK, I should keep this personal ... this is the shit *I'm* looking for!) I guess I would need to read more specifics before I thought, "poor guy ... now I get it."

Alternatively, it could be that psychedelics are just not your bag. Absolutely no shame in that! There are *plenty* of people who absolutely do not find these kinds of experiences enjoyable in the least. You can describe the most meaningful psychedelic experience you've ever had to them, and the response could easily be, "why would anyone want to go through that?!?"

There's an ongoing thread here somewhere (different "sub-forum") on personal drug use rules. LOTS of folks who are doing things I can't even begin to imagine doing have "NO PSYCHEDELICS" as rule numero uno. We're all different. And that's completely OK IMO.
 
I have an answer for u. last week I was doing a box of wippits. and only wippits. and on the last one I was like eh I blew some money and thinking where I was gonna grab food. then I realized I was melting with everythinh around me and surrounded by visuals etc and realized your average person would be in shock.

So I think there's a base level of acceptance of effects that people get. I never and have never dosed highly with things tho.

Like communities where drugs are common do not view effects as a deviation from a norm, but instead just effects.
 
OddEnchilada said:
yeah I should have researched it more. glad I did it first though, Ill take it as a warning that im not ready. do you know how long your NBOME trip was?
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I took the blotter and kept it under my tongue for 9 minutes. I spat it out and the onset was really really intense. An hour in I had to rush 4mg of lorazepam into my system. The whole trip lasted roughly 6 hours. If you can get your hands on 2C-I it was my first "longer than 20 minute trip". And it was enjoyable. The effects last about 4 hours with that.

Also nitrous is a lot of fun if you haven't tried that yet. =) 4 Balloons will get you rolling
 
Consider trying almost any other drug. Salvia falls into a class of drugs known as "dissociatives," which can cause you to forget that you're high and experience a "completely real" alternate reality. Furthermore, Salvia experiences are known for including a brand of fear and and anxiety not found in most recreational drugs.

Classical psychedelics typically have a much different spectrum of effects, so if you try one of those it's likely that you won't have the problems you experienced with Salvia. If you want to continue taking Salvia though, you're out of luck: fear and dissociation are not something you "get past," they're simply part of the package. In fact, they're pretty much Salvia's main effects.
 
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Hey OddEnchilada ... sorry to hear about a less-than-enjoyable psychedelic experience. In reading your abbreviated version, though, I don't lock onto what was so fear-inducing. "Felt so completely real"; "reality and how seemingly fake it could be"; "lived a whole 200 year life as an alien" ... this is the shit we're looking for! (OK, I should keep this personal ... this is the shit *I'm* looking for!) I guess I would need to read more specifics before I thought, "poor guy ... now I get it."
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your right, after this I discovered that Im at least not ready right now for this kind of thing yet. I think that It would have helped if it had been just me and a spotter, someone who could have seriously prepared me and so I would have known someone was there that would have known what was going on. even if it was just some dude saying "yeah man your fine nothings really happening its all in your head." but when I entered my trip the feeling of floating and shrinking and getting folded in half over and over was so real I had completely forgotten it was because I smoked salvia. its people like me who give salvia a bad name because I didnt take it seriously. I was a moron and kinda just went for it. I live with 3 of my friends and I went into my room and, broke out the bong and tried some. my thought process was "hey, the guy at the smokeshop said the 20X was pretty weak so this probably wont be that bad". then I just started to hear a ringing sound in my head get louder and louder and the floor expanded in all directions. I felt almost weightless but when I tried to walk it felt like I was getting pulled at from every directions. really, that wasnt what scared me. I feel like what scared me was right after that when it felt like a NDE. everything turned white and geometric shapes were floating through the white space and for some reason I kept hearing my inner monologue yelling stuff i wasnt really thinking like "ohshitohshitohshitohshit" and "im not gonna die like this!!" then while its happening I could barely hear my friends words saying stuff like "wtf is wrong with him? we should call 911!" its kind of like trying to tell someone why a bad dream scared you so bad right after you wake up and they look at you like your stupid. ever since i woke up ive been telling myself "man that was awesome I wish I could have enjoyed that" but the fear was so distinct that I just havent tried it since.
 
Si Ingwe said:
... yes, took a break, went back when I was ready.

13 years, it took.

After some difficult acid trips in the 80's & 90's I eventually gave it up in 1996 with perhaps 50 trips under my belt, even a couple of great ones. But some really difficult ones!

In 2009, after alot of reading & research I decided to look again at psychedelics & give some of the newly discovered & newly available options a go. I still haven't done LSD since the old days but I've had longer & in some cases stronger trips than I had back then. I suspect I've now doubled the amount of trips I've taken since 1988 to 100 or more, at least.
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Your story is almost exactly like mine. Even the years! I just got back into LSD in 2009 instead the new chemicals, but other than that your break period was almost exact same time as mine. I did some mushrooms in that time, but for a long while LSD scared the shit out of me! At age 40 it's much different it's way smoother for me. Never any bad trips now.
 
The waking up into a different life experience on salvia is what I imagine death will be like. So I think of it like that: virtual death. Only, I keep going on, as one mind that has been other minds which have born and died within me. "I am large. I contain multitudes" comes to mind as a description. Grow, or wither.
 
Complete surrender and respect for the knowledge the plant/fungus/amphibian spirit has to offer. That way of thinking doesn't work quite as well with synthetic molecules, though.
 
signed, complete SURRENDER and RESPECT for the chemical.
after getting a quite a few new assholes.
 
Speaking *personally* (no offense to anyone else), I find the salvia high really dirty, mashy, and low-grade. The only time I've ever had pleasant experiences is when I mix it with cannabis. Even then, it was only enjoyable once the peak wore off and then I could sink into the neat green-blue visuals. I hate the come up, the way it pulls at the back of your head and around your skull into the bridge of your nose. It feels like someone is trying to rip my skull off, and there is no cohesive purpose to the visuals at all.

Yes I've had bad trips and yes, for a long time my solution was to avoid those drugs. But eventually I forgot just how bad they were, aside from some underlying fears, and was willing to try them again. It wasn't so bad the next time around. You can try doing less, be around different people (or no one if preferred), create a better environment to serve as a container for experiencing, combine it with ritual, etc... there are many possibilities. If a trip brought up fear then it's probably just where you were at at the time, it doesn't mean you will always be afraid when you trip.

Salvia though... it's not really all that dynamic. I would try something different.
 
the only thing to fear is fear itself
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I'm not sure anybody really "likes" salvia. It's not meant to be pleasant. For me it's not so fearful as it is shocking (using it under the influence of a dissociative helps make it not so physically jarring, for future reference). It's something to do because, if you don't, you haven't faced reality as much as you could have and you would've died knowing it. Salivia shows just how different existence can be -- it's like a blind man at the edge of an abyss prodding the open air with his cane for where to take his next step. It's dangling over the infinite. It gives new perspective to Kennedy's and Whittman's words both, and demonstrates what the phrase "anything is possible" could really entail.
 
^^ I find salvia terrifying and slightly uncomfortable, and I *very* much like, and enjoy the process.
Sort of like a horror movie, though I am not a fan of those. Strange that.

Once you have the complete surrender and respect bit sussed, then it gets waaaay more bearable and a bit less terrifying.

As for the fear, you need to realize that the effects from a psychedelic experience varies wildly, depending on where you are at as a person, (inside and outside).
Just because you freaked out from a completely unexpected experience, doesnt mean the next time will be the same, or even similar. For now you have the experience from the last experience, and you will know what to expect.

I reccommend trying the classics (lsd, dmt, shrooms).
Very few actually enjoy the company of Sally. You will be eventually rewarded if you stick to it.

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As once said, the only thing to fear is fear itself
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I love this quote.
 
I like Salvia! I'll admit that I usually take it with Cannabis, but I find it tremendously educational in a way that no other drug I've tried can really emulate. I'm a big fan of more euphoric drugs like LSD, MDMA, and Cannabis but I think that without Salvia I'd be living in a smaller world.

I'd liken the experience to visiting a developing country. Not necessarily clean or comfortable, and certainly not for everyone, but a worthwhile experience for those who enjoy it.
 
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