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Need Some Tripping Advice

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NothingsBetter

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So I'm going to be taking LSD in the near future for the first time with my significant other, who's also taking it for her first time. I smoke cannabis a lot and I have a strong mindset, however, I want to take 2 tabs but I'm not really sure of what to expect. I'm very interested in expanding my perception of the universe and exploring my mind (the reason why I am taking it) however I want to make sure I do things right. I've done lots of research on acid and I'm fascinated by what I've found out so far but I still have a few questions.

I asked my friend awhile ago how much I should take for my first time and he said to take 2 but I've also been told to take 1 for safety purposes. I understand that taking 1 is playing it safe but if I take 2 will I trip the fuck out ? (I know you can't determine how I personally will react to LSD but from a general perspective)

Does LSD become somewhat overwhelming as, say, a very strong weed high? There have been times when I've smoked a lot of potent bud and I would get paranoid and like forget where I was and overthink everything and it was because I was adjusting to getting really high. I've grown more accustomed to getting high on weed and it doesn't cause me to become paranoid anymore after I came to the realization that it was just the effects from being high.

Will 1 tab of LSD be a somewhat familiar feeling to the sensation of controlling a high on marijuana? Obviously tripping on acid is way more intense and all but I mean is LSD of the same difficulty or harder to handle than a very strong high from weed? I don't want to be trying something I don't feel comfortable with so I'm just trying to get as much consensus as possible.

Thanks BlueLighters.
 
This answer can only possibly be sooo generalized.... Do you even have any idea how strong the hits are? Depending on how good they are you could take three from one batch and be underwhelmed and one from another and be totally overwhelmed (not incredibly likely unless you have a pretty good source). Do you know anyone who's taken them before for reference? And how well do you know the source? Well enough to even trust that they're actually LSD?

There are similarities between weed and psychedelics but they're still pretty different. The kind of paranoia will be a bit different, but if you keep in mind that it's a drug effect just like you do with the weed then you probably wouldn't have a problem as long as the dose doesn't overwhelm you, and even then... well, that's really your only option. Just stay calm and go with the flow. That's the best piece of advice you can get for handling any dose of any psychedelic.
 
Wandering Girl said:
And how well do you know the source? Well enough to even trust that they're actually LSD?
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I'm assuming that it's a reliable source, my girlfriend is getting it from her really good friend who is experienced with psychedelics so I'm guessing that he's not gonna rip us off with bogus acid because he's a good guy.

I'm not sure of how strong the doses are, but what I meant to ask is how impaired would a first timer become if they took, let's say, 2 doses of 50 mcg. (I'm assuming that's a pretty normal dose?) I'm aware you can't determine the specific dose of acid besides getting feedback from someone who's taken it but I'm just curious to know how much a heavy dose can affect a newbie. Like is a strong dose not recommended for a beginner?
 
2 doses of 50 mcg will probably feel rather gentle and you should be able to communicate with each other easily and navigate reality smoothly. Going around the house and doing simple stuff would likely be easy, cooking f.e. was no problem for me at such a dose (& higher, but don't take my word for it, as mundane tasks might feel annoying and any noise different than music might be difficult to have to listen to).

You have plenty of options that really depend on the dose, but honestly, the dose should not bother you too much (if it's between 1 and 2 I mean - given that this is true LSD, both are safe and you're not likely to have an extreme experience.)

You might feel underwhelmed if you take too little and experience few effects, and for me that's actually worse than feeling overwhelmed. But this varies greatly from person to person.

You might be very comfortable with your initial dose as it is and feel perfectly in tune with it.

You might be far too overwhelmed if these are 2 strong tabs (let's speculate f.e. 100-120 mcg each), but then again, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. The changes in perceptions would feel very significant at such a dose and it's a very specific mindset that you'll get used to, once you get there, but you cannot really know how it would feel "in advance". Things that might be affected, and higher the dose, higher the chance: you'll probably have CEVs, especially if listening to music, but also with other stimulations, such as touch, taste, movement, etc.; you might have some OEVs, f.e. fractals, patterns, changing colours, shadows, lines melting, etc. and they might be controllable or not (sometimes I manage to detach myself completely from them if I want to direct my attention elsewhere); music will most likely sound different - deeper, at a higher volume than it is, you'd be able to appreciate complexity in a new way - this all might feel absolutely amazing. You might feel introspective, you might feel related in a new way to different parts of yourself. Movement might be harder and actually there are points where you probably won't want to move much at all. You might as well experience any of these things on a dose such as 50 mcg, but it'll generally be more subtle and easier to control.

The come-up might be a bit difficult in the sense that you'd still be getting used to the changes in perceptions while in the same time you might also be feeling overwhelmed by sensory stimuli. There might be a certain bodyload and you might want to lay down (although it might be a good idea to move around instead), your bodily temperature might be slightly higher (37.4 C for me, always), your stomach might be a bit upset (mine always is, haven't seen others complain about that so much). Or it might as well feel very gentle.

Weed is very different, honestly. But you'll see that.
 
NothingsBetter said:
I'm assuming that it's a reliable source, my girlfriend is getting it from her really good friend who is experienced with psychedelics so I'm guessing that he's not gonna rip us off with bogus acid because he's a good guy.

I'm not sure of how strong the doses are, but what I meant to ask is how impaired would a first timer become if they took, let's say, 2 doses of 50 mcg. (I'm assuming that's a pretty normal dose?) I'm aware you can't determine the specific dose of acid besides getting feedback from someone who's taken it but I'm just curious to know how much a heavy dose can affect a newbie. Like is a strong dose not recommended for a beginner?
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The optimist in me wants to believe that a normal dose these days is above 50 mcg, but the pessimist in me isn't feeling it....

If you took two doses of 50 mcg I would still consider that one hit. 100 mcg is generally the most standard dose to base effect on. Anyone who's not really prone to freaking out on things should be fine with it as long as the set and setting are right.

About the above post, if you get 200-240 mcg you *will* be getting OEV/CEV, there's no question about that. You should be even at 100 mcg. Like krrl said, the come-up anxiety is also normal, so don't freak out about that.... Was it Terence McKenna who said that quote? Something like "If you're not afraid you've taken too much, then you haven't taken enough."
 
OP ... I'm probably a little late to the party, here, as you've already gotten great advice (IMO) above. Personally, I think I'd phrase it like this: there's no conceivable way that a bunch of strangers on the Internet -- who don't know you or each other -- could come together and tell you whether "take 2" is the right way to play this. The list of unknowns in this situation is *much* longer than the list of knowns, unfortunately.

But, let's assume that you actually have legit LSD and that you know the exact potency of those blotters. (That latter assumption is a wild one, as even the person who laid them may have some doubt.) 100ug is certainly enough to give you a strong flavor of what the experience is all about. 200ug is a "much more so" experience for sure. (And krrl did an awesome job of describing the experience.) I wouldn't be terribly afraid of going a little too high -- more about that below. My personal comfort level (after 25 years of experience) is in the 300ug to 500ug range (as best as I can estimate). That said, some of my peers are most happy at 75ug (called "low dose appreciation") and others go full bore into 1000ug territory. There's an exponent in there, I think! LOL! TiHKAL (quite conservatively?) indicates 60ug-200ug. The point being that this isn't like Advil, where 2 or 3 should do it ... and if they don't, neither will a dozen. Individual responses vary immensely. Individual experiences vary immensely. I wish I could describe the response and the experience ... but, in a very real sense, you just have to check it out for yourself.

Honestly, I wouldn't put a lot of pressure on myself to "expand my perception of the universe and explore my mind" the first time out. That's great stuff -- no question. And if it happens, it happens. But, a good way to get a trip not to work out or not to go anywhere at all is to get real tight about it beforehand and expect too much. That's really not necessary, as it's going to go at its own pace and to flow where *it* wants to flow. LSD and similar psychedelics are incredibly potent (which I'm sure you know). Best not to challenge them, dare them, fight them.

Wandering Girl said:
Was it Terence McKenna who said that quote? Something like "If you're not afraid you've taken too much, then you haven't taken enough."
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Yes! Almost word-for-word! :)

If you took a pscychedelic and you’re not afraid you did too much, you didn’t do enough.
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OK ... he wasn't exactly the poster child for modesty, moderation, and "harm reduction." He was unmistakably an "all-in" kind of guy. And I do agree with his fleshed-out point -- even though I do think it probably has *some* limits:

Where the problem area lies, people think it lies in taking too much. It lies in taking too little. Because if you take too little, you can resist it. You can struggle with it, and then it can turn into a real mess, because you’re afraid of it and you actually have the power, to some degree, to resist it. What you want to do is take sufficiently enough that there’s no escape, and that the transition from ordinary reality to fully loaded is as quick as possible.
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This is from a talk entitled, "In the Valley of Novelty."

Whatever you decide to do, manage expectations, stay positive, and be completely open to the experience ... you're much more likely to be pleasantly rewarded if you go in with this mindset IMO. Good luck, OP!
 
If you can, buy three tabs. Take one for your first time. If, after that, you feel like trying two tabs, you can take two next time. Hell, you'd only need to wait about a week. This is the safest (best) way to proceed.

LSD and Cannabis are similar on a very superficial level. Both can be stimulating and psychedelic. There are plenty of differences though, and both drugs have different effects on different people. Both have the potential to cause panic or paranoia - such incidents are less common with LSD but may be more intense. Cannabis can mindfuck you but LSD can REALLY mindfuck you.

"Controlling the high" is possible with both LSD (low dose) and Cannabis, but one is quite different from the other. The "difficulty" of both depends on the dose and the user. Some people handle Cannabis better than LSD, others vice versa. Generally speaking, you have to be more careful with LSD for two reasons:

1. Cannabis is easier to use because you can take a series of small doses, get as high as you want, and then stop smoking. If you get too high, you can just stop smoking and expect to feel better within an hour or so. When taking LSD, you pretty much have to take your entire dose at once, or in the space of about one hour. Then you're locked in for the next 10 hours or so and if you took too much there's no going back, perhaps unless you have some benzos handy.

2. High doses of Cannabis can be very psychedelic and trippy, and should be taken seriously. However, no dose of Cannabis will get you as high as a high dose of LSD.*

You might notice that a lot of what I said is vague. That's because there's simply no way I'll be able to tell you how LSD and Cannabis compare for you personally, and even the "standard" differences are very hard to describe. If you've done your research and you treat your drugs with respect, you should have nothing to worry about. Enjoy!

*With some exceptions. Friends of mine have gone completely crazy after taking too much Cannabis in edible form.
 
With all there great pieces of advice, all I would add is that I think you have a good partner for your first trip. My gal introduced me to the wonders of lsd and we had a great time. Its nice to hug and hold someone, especially on your first time.
 
LSD is nothing like weed basically in any way besides the fact that it alters your mind. You should start with 1 tab unless you somehow know for sure that it is in fact LSD and not some other chemical. I would recommend tasting it for a second to see if its bitter then swallowing it. This is so you can see if it is bitter also so that if its an nbome you won't trip from it. If it is bitter it could be a number of things but if it is just slightly bitter and the tab has ink on it it could be the ink. You should take note of when it comes on, peak time, and how long it lasts. LSD should come on within an hour generally half an hour or so, and should peak around 4 hours in. A small dose should last from 7-9 hours but there will be ever so slight lingering effects until you go to sleep that night. LSD also has some vasoconstriction but I have never had severe vasoconstriction from it resulting in pain. For me it also generally creates a decent amount of mucos or snot. If you take the one tab first and it seems reasonable that it is LSD then you and your significant other should take more depending on how strong one hit was, all tabs are different strengths so 2 hits of certain tabs may put you in another dimension whereas 2 tabs of different stuff may be light enough for you to ride a bike around.
 
Is it straight that I don't have a trip sitter? It's probably gonna just be me and my girlfriend and I'm assuming it's gonna be chill but I'm not experienced and I am ignorant. Inform me fellow beings.
 
Just the two of you tripping is doable - it's not recommended for your FIRST time but it's not exactly a recipe for disaster. However, if you're not going to have a sitter you need to be in a safe setting and you should only take one tab, not two.
 
If you have the chance,grab even more tabs,maybe three or four,put a big playlist of shpongle playing and become a statue for hours.You will want to stand still.Also..trip alone!Tripsitters ruin it imo
 
Just you & her is perfectly fine (if you're in a safe environment etc., but I assume you've already taken care of that) and honestly I think is better and way more personal than having a third person "guard" you (and take part in your trip, obviously). It won't make you delusional in the classic sense and you are usually well-aware what is safe. What might be a good idea is to have someone willing to come by in case things become difficult, but other than that you should be okay.
 
If it ends up being NBOME instead of L and you take 2 tabs you could really kill yourself....if you havn't tested it or done it yourself before you have no idea what it is. trusting your "friend you got it from" is not a good idea either. people believe what they ahve is what they want it to be....testing your shit with a test kit is the only way to know what you are dealing with....or taking it and having experience with the real thing...which you don't have
 
Get a test kit or don't take it bad things are being passed off as l these days.
A friend of mine took some "acid" last week and tried to kill h erself with a dogleash.
 
if it's just lsd or 25x-nbome you can swallow the tabs... nbomes aren't active orally
 
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