Psystep…Uncharted waters?

Wayne C

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I've been very interested in the idea of Psychedelic Dubstep. (Or Psystep) I've looked through youtube, sound-cloud, ect. I'm yet to find any "good" Psystep. I have recently started making music on Logic Pro X, and am very determined to produce at least one decent sounding Psystep track. I know there is already Infected Mushroom but their tracks don't seem to be the type of psychedelic i have in mind. I'm thinking something more along the lines of a Shpongle type of vibe, only with a lot more energy. If anyone has any good ideas or suggestions please let me know.
 
Man, I have no idea what to tell you.
These genre names are adjectives to describe music after the fact, and they are getting pretty ridiculous. I saw some music called "Emotional Trapstep" on Soundcloud...dafuq? Just make music you like, don't be determined to wedge it into a tight little box. Music gets boring when producers do that. Combine those influences, and make it your own, don't be hunting down a blueprint to copy.

:D
 
these are a couple from gladkill... he's made a few tracks like these:




Is this along the right lines?

as far as making music, don't lock yourself into thinking in categories. if you are making something with the goal of it sounding like "psystep" or whatever subgenre names we can think of, don't throw away something amazing by trying to force it to fit that concept. if you are trying to make something at 140 but it sounds great at 160, don't force it into 140. getting locked into that way of thinking can create quite a few roadblocks and setbacks. this type of thinking is what makes beatport top 100 sound like beatport top 100. and brostep to sound like brostep... as it all slowly starts to sound the same
 
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Man, I have no idea what to tell you.
These genre names are adjectives to describe music after the fact, and they are getting pretty ridiculous. I saw some music called "Emotional Trapstep" on Soundcloud...dafuq? Just make music you like, don't be determined to wedge it into a tight little box. Music gets boring when producers do that. Combine those influences, and make it your own, don't be hunting down a blueprint to copy.

:D

Emotional Trapstep
? That's too funny.

these are a couple from gladkill... he's made a few tracks like these:


Is this along the right lines?

as far as making music, don't lock yourself into thinking in categories. if you are making something with the goal of it sounding like "psystep" or whatever subgenre names we can think of, don't throw away something amazing by trying to force it to fit that concept. if you are trying to make something at 140 but it sounds great at 160, don't force it into 140. getting locked into that way of thinking can create quite a few roadblocks and setbacks. this type of thinking is what makes beatport top 100 sound like beatport top 100. and brostep to sound like brostep... as it all slowly starts to sound the same

Those videos weren't exactly what I had in mind, but that's definitely a good start. I just want to produce some type of high energy, but psychedelic EDM music. It doesn't have to be dubstep or any particular genre.
 
So get to it!
I'd love to hear the result of you combining those influences!
 
Love the emotional trapstep thing, completely just missed it first time through. All these sub genres are getting kinda ridiculous. we should combine country music with dubstep and call it Cuntstep... for real, im sure it will catch on.

Another thing that makes me shake my head is "electro swing." my friend and I were trying to plan this music-based event, except he's trying to go the electro swing route and make it purely an electro swing event whereas I want bass music such as dub, dnb, and anything in between... So I took a gander and listened to electro swing and all it sounds like is minimal and tech house beats with a swing tune thrown over it. kinda disappointed. people think it's creative but it is really like these rappers taking very generic slowed down 808 beats and saying the same word over it for 3 minutes. It isn't even samples from what i've heard so far, its just the pre-recorded swing tunes thrown over very generic minimal house beats. that's it. electro soul is good because it's not a pre-recorded tune thrown over a beat, it's resampled, re-edited, and dropped just at the right time to give it that "wow" factor...

what made electro soul so great (even though it really is just glitch-hop with soul samples and elements) was it's hip-hop elements and pure funk and bounciness. electro soul guys like PL, Gramatik, and Big G can make people get down to this funky energy that they create, whereas electro swing just sounds very half-assed to me. listened to a 30 minute mix and was just thinking "I'm not gonna get down to this at all"... kinda like the people that got together and said let's take the lyrics out of crunk, put it at dubstep tempo and just play that for 90 minutes... bummer. was hoping to play at it this event too but i'm not even gonna try since you simply cannot go from this basic half-assed electro swing shit and take it up to the energy level that is head-banging bass music in 2 minutes. purely impossible. hence why you won't these huge bass music guys like Excision or Bassnectar have a minimal house act open for them. it would simply fuck up all the energy that makes their shows so huge. oh well, i realize i'm just ranting at this point.

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If there is anything to be taken from this extremely off topic rant, it is to be creative and expand your comfort zone. don't just settle for something because it's easy. take and study all the elements of music that you love and enjoy and try to utilize bits and pieces of them in your music. For example, I like Metal Music and 90s Hip-Hop. So when I make music I try to combine that head-banging feel that is metal music and give it that bouncy vibe that is old school hip-hop. instead of head-banging music, call it head-bouncing music :D... And whenever you do make this "psychedelic" electronic music, I would love to hear it. that same friend i mentioned above is trying to plan an overnight camping event that I want to play at if it happens (and isn't electro-swing the whole fucking time)... therefore, I have been trying to compile a bunch of music to use for a 4-5 hour sunrise set for if/when this thing ever happens. a lot of atmospheric DnB, "chillstep", and oldschool/newschool breaks and glitch music.

Another Edit:
anyone have any input on the legality of these things in the states? I am trying to get him to work on permits, insurance, and security to be cleared legally, but he's just trying to keep it free of legal interference... not quite extreme anarchy, but it seems to me like an attempt at a drug-fest which seems extremely stupid and irresponsible. i'm more worried about health and safety whereas they are just trying to rebel against the system that makes our lives "so difficult" compared to generations past...
 
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Cuntstep

make that ^^^^^

defo just make your music, believe in what you do...... dont try to copy or emulate or fit in a catagory.....
bang it out , share it, and let other people give it a name.........
massive respect if you can actually make your own stuff
amazing
 
I've heard terms like Psychill and Psyambient being thrown about.

I rather like psychedelic influenced/inspired music on the lower end of the bpm scale: 90 to 120/30 bpms
 
I love psychedelic influenced breaks and glitch. Like the late 90s early 00s cali style.

This is some of the styles I've been lovin lately.

 
don't get too hung up on trying to find established psystep dude. if your goal is to make it yourself, then it may be best to just take what you like from both subgenres and work it til it grooves. please please do not spend too much energy on trying to classify music, instead just enjoy producing and listening to it.

i have been listening to electronic music for over a decade, which isn't that long considering how old the genre is, however it's been long enough to give me a sense of perspective on the scene as it changes. all i can say is that the continual splitting and segmenting of electronic music is overkill. i refuse to use terms like "chillstep" or anything like that, even if the music i listen to is categorized in that ridiculous fashion of micromanagement by everyone else. it's too stupid. i just say electronic music or maybe electronica. sorry for the mini uncalled for rant. just make your music and let other people worry about what they want to call it :)
 
I simply differentiate to group tracks up for mixes in an appropriate manner. This sorting between chillstep and dubstep just allows me to differentiate between something a little more mellow vs something a little more heavy a whole lot easier when I have a few thousand songs that can be classified as "dubstep" when thinking in broad terms. do the same exact thing with DnB and Drumstep for the same reason. But in the end, dubstep is dubstep, DnB is DnB, 140 is 140... and whatever....
 
I simply differentiate to group tracks up for mixes in an appropriate manner. This sorting between chillstep and dubstep just allows me to differentiate between something a little more mellow vs something a little more heavy a whole lot easier when I have a few thousand songs that can be classified as "dubstep" when thinking in broad terms. do the same exact thing with DnB and Drumstep for the same reason. But in the end, dubstep is dubstep, DnB is DnB, 140 is 140... and whatever....

hey man, if you mix and it helps you, more power to that. :) i'm not looking to hate on anything specific, i think i may have just read one too many youtube arguments haha 8)

i do on occasion use tags like those to help myself find stuff too. i know that i am more likely to appreciate something labelled deepstep than industrial grindcore (if that is a thing, i dont know if i made it up? i hope that's not a thing)
 
oh no worries, i was just kinda rambling anyway. i think we all make up our own names of genres in some way shape or form. i have a sub-genre called progstep somewhere in my library. i saw in on soundcloud and so i classified it as such because it was progressive house with a dubstep drum beat. so slowed down dubstep. but soundcloud has gotten WAYYYY out of hand with these subgenres. I've seen things called superstep, space jazz, and some other even more bizarre ones floating around on there. usually anything unclassifiable for me I call simply freeform or amorphous. i try not to make any more random subgenres that will just make things more confusing.
 
Swindle... Moodswings. I would honestly be surprised if any on this page could match... Fits the definition of psychedelic and dubstep to a tee. It's trippy as fuck, watch Moodswings by Swindle!

Oh that amon tobin comes close, but it's too nauseating on a real trip... now let's kick it up for something

REAL:
[video=youtube_share;zV_21PctJhs]http://youtu.be/zV_21PctJhs[/video]
 
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Freq Nasty is by far one of THE coolest people I've met in the EDM world.
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For someone who is so famous within this little world, he is SO humble and SO nice.

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