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Mental Health Schizophrenia: Cannabis VS (meth)amphetamines

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Hi everyone.

Most of us know about the very serious medical condition Schizophrenia.

It has impacted on many of our lives through one way or another.


I was just wondering if anyone has any personal experience/researched studies comparing how quickly schizophrenia develops with chronic amphetamine use compared to cannabis use.


Although I could just be asking "how long is a piece of string" due to underlying medical conditions, quality of drugs, usage etc SO MANY FACTORS INVOLVED, I'm just wondering, would chronic use of amphetamines GENERALLY bring schizophrenia on a lot quicker than say a chronic cannabis 'addiction'?


Any help/comments will be greatly appreciated :) & GL to the mod who can find a home for this thread because I just couldn't hahaha but much appreciated. <3
 
I ordered this one textbook on schizophrenia and will post something intellectual after reading it.

I have heard of treating schizophrenia with animals, always having company that is positive really seems to help some people.

Cannabis actually does not make an ill person more schizophrenic, but the amount of THC in the product is straight comparable to the deliriousness of the user. While THC is fat soluble it stays in the body for some time and the user might feel like he/she is sick with this illness.

To amphetamines I have nothing to say.
 
Amephetamines are fucking dirty first time i was up for four days and nearly ended up jumping out of a 3rd floor window in a hospital because i thought people were coming after me before that i stared out of my window all night watching people hide behind cars who wearnt really there ofc i was about to hit someone around the head with a pole but luckily my mum stopped me
 
pinkkisokeri said:
I ordered this one textbook on schizophrenia and will post something intellectual after reading it.

I have heard of treating schizophrenia with animals, always having company that is positive really seems to help some people.

Cannabis actually does not make an ill person more schizophrenic, but the amount of THC in the product is straight comparable to the deliriousness of the user. While THC is fat soluble it stays in the body for some time and the user might feel like he/she is sick with this illness.

To amphetamines I have nothing to say.
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Well this is a load. Amphetamines (Meth, Adderall, Dexedrine, Vyvanse, Ritalin (in any form)) are not only HORRIBLE for those with schizophrenia and other psychoses but they can precipitate the development of the illness in those who are genetically pre-disposed. In fact ALL stimulants are directly contraindicated not only in people with a history off psychosis in their family but in those who are pre-disposed. Stay off amphetamines or stimulants of any kind if you have a family history of psychosis/schizophrenia/schizotypy disorders. The same goes with cannabis. People who smoke cannabis at earlier ages tend to be more likely to develop these types of mental illnesses if they are predisposed. The majority of schizophrenics smoke nicotine though not pot... most likely because the neuroleptics they are on have dulled their mental capacities to such a degree that they prefer to self medicate with cigarettes to get a nicotine buzz to feel like they have some energy again. And yes, giving a schizophrenic stims or pot will almost always exacerbate the illness and if it's in remission there's a good chance it will bring about an acute psychotic episode.

This is not good advice pinkkisokeri
 
I think if I would of never messed with meth....and just kept with the weed I would of been fine......But two years into smoking meth I went thru a meth induced psychosis.....If I smoke weed now It will throw me into a tiny psychosis that has residue for about three day's. There's no telling how to judge whether someone will get sick at all.....I miss my pot smoking days, but I would rather be in control over my mind. I no longer use meth......I just keep to my kratom.
 
afterlyfestyle said:
would chronic use of amphetamines GENERALLY bring schizophrenia on a lot quicker than say a chronic cannabis 'addiction'?
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GENERALLY, from my point of view, the Excited Delirium, paranoia and hallucinations brought on by extended meth use will induce schizophrenic periods faster than cannabis would. From what I've seen, cannabis users are far less likely to spend days on end without sleep and can recover much faster when coming down from a severe experience.
 
Hi
I have a family member (brother) with schizophrenia, it has landed him in hospitals countless times.
He has told me that when he was injecting Ritalin and popping addies that his psychotic symptoms got worse, and he even experienced ideas of reference...
but he has been a daily weed smoker since he was 19, he was diagnosed with Schizophrenia at age 16 so it wasn't the weed that caused it
 
Ex girlfriends dad and 6 of his 7 siblings have Schizophrenia.
He's never taken drugs. Ever. Much the same for the relatives so I believe there is an unquestionable genetic predisposition component to varying degrees, like most things, but that is the best example of the generic component I've ever seen.

Meth and cannabis for anyone with Schizophrenia are perhaps the 2 worst things you could do/ use. You may not come back... I've seen it happen. Think Sid Barrett. Very sad.

One point I really want put put there that I have found so common in users is that pot can be your best friend for years but once you start doing stimulants; MDMA, Meth ect... Pot turns on you. And You never get it back. poof. gone. green anxiety. I'd been told that before I started my MD honeymoon but ignored it because that's sorta what I do with good advise.

I miss the days, months, years of towlie fun. Playing music, eating Doritos and sleeping for 12 hours a night and repeat again at midday next day. Those days are long gone. I've accepted it.

You can still have a great life at this stage. Any use of Meth or weed could change your life forever. Maybe not today or 3 weeks time but you'd be risking so much by doing so.

Stop now. I've seen this first hand. J sound like a drama queen but it is that serious

PLUR
 
Well I smoked ICE for two years until I developed psychosis.....But I never ate....or drank water...I didn't take care of myself.....Also cannabis I used sine I was 13.....And up until 21 it didn't make my crazy but now it just messes up any progress that has been made. The weird thing is I can smoke one bowl of ICE and just be high. I would prolly get panic attacks since I'm prone to them but it takes a lot of diggen with meth to throw me over the edge. IDK why that is. I ain't touching it tho ever.....I've seen the destruction of a psychosis and want nothing to do with it.
 
^^^ mate I'm no angel to say the least. my post history will confirm that. Ive never experienced Schizophrenia or psychosis myself first hand but have been to some pretty awful places with drug abuse.
As I said, I've seen more than a few very close friends and aquiantances have their lives mostly taken away by continuing drug use past a first clinical psychosis or 1st Schizophrenic episode.

These were really great human beings. Super Intelligent, creative all round great people.

They kept going though... And at some point they left the building never to return. Some 5 + years of hospitalizations and are still trying to find a med that might be able to restore some part of who they were once.

My advice to anyone is if your at a Schizophrenia or psychosis diagnoses it really is time to stop.
You've been down the rabbit hole. Really been down it. I really doubt that using again would give you anything that you already haven't experienced.

Be around to write it down; use as a perspective.

My exes dad with Schizophrenia is a multi, multi, multi millionaire. Not that material wealth means much to most but he's still 'crazy' but medicated and he has some very wacky views on the world but who's to say he's not right?

My point is use it to your advantage. You just need to still be 'here' to do it.
 
Deep down aren't we all a little bit crazy? :)

Some wonderful advice, I'm in the stages of hanging up my hat soon, looking forward to a brighter future. :)
 
Marijuana tends to bring out my depression if it's an Indica strain if I smoke too much of it too fast.

As for meth, I've never done it, however I do take adderall and when used in moderation only benefits me, no hindrance whatsoever. The keyword is moderation, though.



Edit: I'm bipolar-schizophrenic.
 
hunter1 said:
^^^ mate I'm no angel to say the least. my post history will confirm that. Ive never experienced Schizophrenia or psychosis myself first hand but have been to some pretty awful places with drug abuse.
As I said, I've seen more than a few very close friends and aquiantances have their lives mostly taken away by continuing drug use past a first clinical psychosis or 1st Schizophrenic episode.

These were really great human beings. Super Intelligent, creative all round great people.

They kept going though... And at some point they left the building never to return. Some 5 + years of hospitalizations and are still trying to find a med that might be able to restore some part of who they were once.

My advice to anyone is if your at a Schizophrenia or psychosis diagnoses it really is time to stop.
You've been down the rabbit hole. Really been down it. I really doubt that using again would give you anything that you already haven't experienced.

Be around to write it down; use as a perspective.

My exes dad with Schizophrenia is a multi, multi, multi millionaire. Not that material wealth means much to most but he's still 'crazy' but medicated and he has some very wacky views on the world but who's to say he's not right?

My point is use it to your advantage. You just need to still be 'here' to do it.
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This....I'm so damn lucky that all I had to spend time in the IP was a month on abilify. When my psychosis shrunck I started smoking ICE and and weed again with no problems for eight months until the psychosis started to slowy creep up....Then I stopped everything. Even cig's. I felt like a new person with energy and zeal to take on the world....Then I let head doctors use drugs like risperdal and Invega to calm down my OCD that was going out of control........I'm so glad that I got my mind back....
 
sonicwhite said:
I felt like a new person with energy and zeal to take on the world
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Zeal, fuck every time I hear that word I automatically think of Charlie Sheen.

How fares the psychosis now Sonic?


Not smoking is my worst problem right now.

Just got to keep reminding myself that relapse isn't failure and every minute not doing drugs is a very good minute indeed. :)
 
It's under control.....Weed brings it out right then and there for as long as the high last and then I have residue anxiety for three days.....Before I got on meds in 08 the only problem I had was little whispers.....I was still dealing with the urge to smoke ICE and I never did but once....When I let the doc's frak with my mind is when I started to feel like I was losing my battle even tho it wasn't a battle before my med's. I didn't care that I heard those whispers and they never effected my work or anything......I did have one delusion tho that warrented me to get help and that was that I was going to some how magically get back with my ex.......But other then that therapy would of fixed that not meds.....Now that I'm over medicated I'm gaining so much weight thru apathy and the pills itself. I don't have that hunger to take on the world.....I'm just wallowing in this crap and the withdraws from these psych meds are far worse then any illegal drug I have ever used so I stay on them until we or I just get so sick of them that I stop
 
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