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Benzos Help to manage benzo usage/ tolerance/addiction/control over my refills

The meds they prescribe for PAWS trigger it... It only took them adjusting my Depakote level one time (they made me skip a dose) to bring me from the greatest I'd felt in years to full-blown withdrawal the next day and it just got worse.

One of these days, benzos are going to go the way of barbs and methaqualone. I wonder what they did with all the hardcore addicts when they pulled those? o.O
 
Giving your benzos to someone to dispense daily is known not to work well. If you really are an addict you will build a stack until you reach the required high dose and take it all at once. Having the pill dispenser look into your mouth to make sure you swallowed it is not that efficient either since addicts learn places in their mouth where they can hide it and spit back afterwards. It's usually in between the teeth and the upper lip where it's hard to spot. Then if you arrive at situations where the pill dispenser has to stick their fingers in your mouth...it becomes a very humiliating and embarassing experience for both you and the pill dispenser.

I believe that the things that happen in this life happen for a reason. If you get high on benzos you clearly haven't reached the point where the downside of getting high is overwhelming the positive effect so you are calculating and making your decisions according to the most positive outcome. It's very difficult with psychological addictions like that.

Panic attacks are a result of fear. What fear:

- Fear of ceasing to exist
- Fear of not being able to control when you will cease to exist
- Fear of being in excruciating pain
- Fear of insanity

The reason why these fears arise and overwhelm the body is because you have un-answered questions that no one bothered answering, not your parents/grand parents/friends, probably because they didn't know themselves. They thought it was more important for you to understand mathematics, physics, knowing how to write a check, drive a car etc. Humans, and in my opinion all intelligent life forms set themselves apart for asking the question "why?".

In my opinion, asking "why?" when it comes to life, death and the origin of the Universe is a dead end. Assume you find an answer for all your questions about the world somehow...in my opinion you will be very disappointed about what this whole thing really is. In fact, 1,000 human minds could not have the processing power to truly understand the full extend of the disappointment.

Biggest mistake that humanity makes is to be thankful for the big bang because without it there would be no life, we would not be here. Maybe our life is so shitty as a direct result of it. In my opinion, like all explosions, it was a catastrophic event that ended life for a very long time. There is no good explosion...you don't randomly go blowing things up in your apartment...nothing positive can come out of it...unless the explosion residue somehow benefits from it by sparking into existence.

The more you think about these things and try to wrap up your spiritual side, the less panic attacks you will have. If existence had a name it would be called "No Control". If you try to control everything you will get a panic attack. Your heart can stop at any moment or explode, just like everything else exploded in the big bang and there's nothing you, me or God can do about it. The "so what" approach is much more compatible with the true nature of existence.

Inspiring post friend. Are you also a Bad Religion fan ? The album AND song "No Control" is deep about this very subject from their classic days in the 80's. Sometimes fear of insanity/fear of dying goes even beyond for me. I'm mostly afraid of being afraid. And also since I'm ridden with health problems since that 5 DOB hits "mistaken for LSD" + a massive jaw injury causing nerve damage and TMJ disorder more than a decade ago only to degrade as I grow older, makes me sometimes just afraid of living, I'd rather be sleeping most of the time.

Then sometimes I think, in case the superstitious thought that the mind might come back to life, I assume it must be done randomly. What if I'm unlucky and get to live on a planet way way back in it's evolutionary process and life is constant pain and struggle and dying young is assured in my half-ape or whatever half-intelligent being my mind would be in (even if I had no recall of my previous life). Or worse, I end up coming back to this earth and get to be born in North Korea ? All those things might seem silly but they are terrifying.

But the worst is really benzo withdrawal itself man. I am underdosed considering my tolerance. I have no choice but to pay money handsomely most months on etizolam and etaqualone (and the place I know do not sell in small quantities or these "pellets" BS.) And I live on a mere temporary disability cheque every month, that keeps being renewed, they (gov) apparently decide I'm not worthy of full on disability even if my doctors say so (the ministry of health doctors have the final say) so I cannot get a semi-decent 1025 dollars cheque a month. I spend most of what I get on rent because my mom has financial issues since my lazy fucker of a stepdad who has no health issues except a fucked up shoulder (which he could get dilaudid and celebrex for, but he doesn't believe in medication..el sigh), he hasn't provided since almost 3 years and I had to move back to my mom's house, which costs me more than renting a small apartment. I'm also worried about being worried, especially about my mom. Dying wouldn't be that much of an issue to me when I think of it, but the idea that my mom and brother and other ever shortening list of loved ones disappearing from my heart and eyes is impossible to stand.

If you do not know of Bad Religion, here's two song lyrics really relevant to what you brought forward and what I responded to it, from the same hard hitting album No Control from 1988.

No Control

Culture was the seed of proliferation but it's gotten melded
Into an inharmonic whole, to an inharmonic whole.
Consciousness has plagued us and we cannot shake it
Though we think we're in control, though we think we're in control.
Questions that besiege us in life are testament of our helplessness.
There's no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end.
When we all disintegrate it will all happen again, yeah.
Time is so rock solid in the minds of the hordes but they can't
Explain why it should slip away, explain why it should slip away.
History and future are the comforts of our curiosity but here we are
Rooted in the present day, rooted in the present day
Questions that besiege us in life are testament of our helplessness.
There's no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end.
When we all disintegrate it will all happen again, yeah.
If you came to conquer, you'll be king for a day,
But you too will deteriorate and quickly fade away.
And believe these words you hear when you think your path is clear...
We have no control. We have no control.
We have no control, we do not understand.
You have no control, you are not in command.
You have no control. We have no control.
No control. No control. You have no control.


Anxiety

It's a love song to the self, a story recapped every day,
It's a world of bogus feelings and a world of slow decay,
It's a world of laughter hidden by this world of fear and torment,
It's a game of strange compulsion, our visceral convulsion:
Anxiety for love of life, anxiety for pain,
Anxiety, a feeling that you know you can't contain.
Anxiety destroys us but it drives the common man.
Foundation of society, anxiety. Suppress it if you can.
The caste of coffee achievers didn't perform like they planned.
The morning rush hour traffic is our play of false elan.
So run around your frantic track and lay you down to sleep;
Tomorrow's the redemption, we strive for that exception.
Anxiety for love of life, anxiety for pain,
Anxiety, a fear that you have nothing more to gain.
Anxiety destroys us but it drives the common man.
Foundation of society, anxiety. Suppress it if you can.
What are we angry for?
We all need a common cure.
That common goal for which you strive:
To have more than the other (have more than the other) guy.
The quest for truth, the quest for gold, yeah, we end up all the same
The common lie, the righteous cry, we end up all the same.
The angry crowd, those lost and found, everybody's all the same.
The poet's pen, these words I lend, we all bend to
Anxiety for love of life, anxiety for pain,
Anxiety, a feeling that you know you can't contain.
Anxiety destroys us but it drives the common man.
Foundation of society, anxiety.
 
^ Great lyrics, never heard but it's a good thought process. Thinking about your parents is normal and the question that haunts most is what would have happened if your parents decided not to have a child. According to Brian Greene's calculations, there is in fact another Universe similar to this one where your parents do exist, maybe having different professions or even the exact same, but decided not to have a child, or their child doesn't look like you because the DNA combined differently.

This means that, every single event that occurred after the big bang, galaxy formation, solar system formation, asteroid bombardment wiping out dinosaurs, human wars etc. all occurred in the same way and with the same outcome leading to your parents living similar lives. In fact, I am assured that there's an identical copy of you in another universe that undergoes the exact same thinking process on Bluelight as we speak, with another copy of me. The probability of it to occur is mind-numbingly small, and yet, in an infinity large multi-verse, it can occur an infinity of times simultaneously. It's the reason why people have trouble accepting this multi-verse theory, because their mind cannot grasp the concept of infinity.

Infinity is a catastrophe in the world of physics and in science in general. They want existence to fit inside the human mind and that will never happen, it's the human mind that fits into existence. This is a major part of the disappointment. Humans are too small to understand the big and too big to understand the small...the rules don't even apply. Newton mechanics don't apply for sub-atomic particles, in my opinion there will never be a unified theory unless you state like Brian Greene did, with a large equation that scares the living Hell out of the scientific community because it says that anything can occur anywhere at any time, and without any set rules. This...thing was always here. It has no beginning and it has no end.

Knowing that so many cosmological events had to occur to lead to your existence on Earth, it is of an unquantifiable stupidity to waste your life seeking answers to these questions instead of busting balls and having fun.
 
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I'll have to read more about Brian Greene. Also, that graph, is it saying the universe is about to collapse ? Apparently 10x^-28 but 10^-29 isn't good...

For now my woes (except worrying about ordering from europe) have been reduced. I found a very trustworthy place for already made 2mg diclazepam tablets and I'll use my usual canadian source for a little etizolam. My goal is to not touch them unless I have a compulsion to use my valium. At least it will continue to give the impression I am using my benzos the way I should. I actually managed to do this with etizolam before, even if I find it pretty weak and would need to take 5-6mg to feel it, must be because it isn't a true benzo. I wish I was just dutch, they can easily have scripts to all the most interesting benzos, loprazolam, lormetazepam, brotizolam, midazolam, flunitrazepam... The current doctors I know will not dispense Temazepam which I find superior to anything, even IV opiates heh, a couple 30mg gelcaps and I get the best harmless (amphetamine and meth give me euphoria, but it's not healthy and isn't long until it turns into dysphoria with dexamphetamine and I don't buy street meth pills anymore, I bought a couple of bad ones I suspect had PMMA or somethin in them 2 years ago and nope, not after the extremely scary 5 extremely strong heart "spasms" I had from them). Ironically I think being scripted benzos saved my life that time.
 
I'll have to read more about Brian Greene. Also, that graph, is it saying the universe is about to collapse ? Apparently 10x^-28 but 10^-29 isn't good...

For now my woes (except worrying about ordering from europe) have been reduced. I found a very trustworthy place for already made 2mg diclazepam tablets and I'll use my usual canadian source for a little etizolam. My goal is to not touch them unless I have a compulsion to use my valium. At least it will continue to give the impression I am using my benzos the way I should. I actually managed to do this with etizolam before, even if I find it pretty weak and would need to take 5-6mg to feel it, must be because it isn't a true benzo. I wish I was just dutch, they can easily have scripts to all the most interesting benzos, loprazolam, lormetazepam, brotizolam, midazolam, flunitrazepam... The current doctors I know will not dispense Temazepam which I find superior to anything, even IV opiates heh, a couple 30mg gelcaps and I get the best harmless (amphetamine and meth give me euphoria, but it's not healthy and isn't long until it turns into dysphoria with dexamphetamine and I don't buy street meth pills anymore, I bought a couple of bad ones I suspect had PMMA or somethin in them 2 years ago and nope, not after the extremely scary 5 extremely strong heart "spasms" I had from them). Ironically I think being scripted benzos saved my life that time.

It is saying the exact opposite actually, that not only the Universe is expanding at the moment, but that it's expansion is accelerating, so each galaxy is moving further away from each-other until we will have no clue they ever existed.
 
I was on the benzo merry go round. I know exactly where you are, but I was worse; If I had no benzos I would be on the edge of psychosis. I have anxiety and as clique as it sounds man, meds aren't a permanet solution. You gotta get off eventually.... can you see yourself as 80 years old with a tolerance of about 1000mg of klonopin or something? No doctor is going to touch you after a while and you're gonna be stuck in tolerance withdrawal no matter what. You gotta jump off.... man the fuck up and hold on for the ride, because it will be the nuttiest and longest ride of your life.

I have anxiety and it's sooooo much better off of benzos and even before benzos.... I honestly think the shock of benzo withdrawal made me mental unafraid of anxiety anymore because nothing can be as bad as that, NOTHING.... I hate seeing people suffer with benzos because it is so close to my heart and I can relate, but man, you gotta jump.... you know you aren't in control of the situation and things will only get worse... sending loving vibes your way...

I completely agree. I was prescribed benzos for 8 years straight (first 4 years was on 3mg of xanax, then last 4 was on 10mg valium after tapering the xanax from 3mg to 1) and I never ran out since I feared the withdrawal so much. I would say that in those 8 years I only went more than 24 hours without taking a pill about 6 times (not counting the times I would make it like 30 hours after double-dosing the valium) so I was clearly very dependent on them, but really didn't abuse them other than maybe 2 days a month.

I was down to 7.5mg of valium when I went to detox the first week of july, and I've been off of it ever since. And trust me, I was one of those people that thought there was no way I would be able to live without benzos. In fact, I went to detox for opiates but they said I had to get off the benzos too. I figured I could just take the librium they gave me there, and then go back on my valium once I got home from detox, without having to face any real benzo withdrawal.

Well something just clicked, I think it was just being sick of having to go to the doctor each month to get the script and never being able to make it much more than a day without it. After detox I decided not to get back on it. The real withdrawal didn't even start until about 10 days after detox, and took a good month for things to very slowly start getting better.
 
Yeah, it seems I can easily wait 4-5 days for a refill but by days 5-6 if it gets there I'll be much worse off than I was 48 hours after last taking a downer.

I do imagine a future where I'll take no benzos, or very small doses here and there, but things out of control in my life, mostly about other people I care about will have to settle straight or outright change for the better, I'm just like that, I can't change myself.

"think about it, think about it, the world defines you, think about it think about it all, you should be anxious, and no little pill will make any difference" Lagwagon - No Little Pill.
 
You should check yourself into a rehab program and start taking a strong dose of man the fuck up when you get out.

I used to have horrible panic attacks, social anxiety, and I would worry about everything. If I left the house I would panic thinking someone was going to break in and steal my meds or clean out my room. All that shit is nothing more than thoughts in the head and a neurochemical reaction. Once you learn how to control it you won't need benzos.

Benzos are the worst medication IMO because they do nothing to help. All they do is mask any emotional and mental problems a person may have.
 
You should check yourself into a rehab program and start taking a strong dose of man the fuck up when you get out.

I used to have horrible panic attacks, social anxiety, and I would worry about everything. If I left the house I would panic thinking someone was going to break in and steal my meds or clean out my room. All that shit is nothing more than thoughts in the head and a neurochemical reaction. Once you learn how to control it you won't need benzos.

Benzos are the worst medication IMO because they do nothing to help. All they do is mask any emotional and mental problems a person may have.

I agree. I myself share many of the same issues the OP does. I've been on BZD's for about 6 or 7 years once I got on a bupe plan to get off H. I was on subs for 3years and I finally said good-bye to that band aid. It wasn't fun, but it's made life a lot better. Subs made my anxiety worse then it is on a daily basis and also made me edgy and agro. I had moments at work I had to escape to the bathroom so I wouldn't say what I felt to someone I work for and lose my job. My life is better now, however I'm still on BZD's daily. Sometimes I can take days off, but I tend to take them if I have them. After my addiction and two trips to the ER my Mom (I'm a grown man btw which makes this sound really pathetic) guards my scripts. This is to make her anxiety go down as I've been known to go on binges and get into trouble. Like most will agree this is NOT the way to control my intake. I still order whatever I can overseas monthly on top of what I'm given per day. So clearly I'm not making improvements on this addiction.

So as said before. I need to man the fuck up. But that's easier said then done. I work with computers for a living and will always be connected to the internet. Internet access and cash are a terrible combo for a BZD addict. I just order and reorder and more and more and more...

It's pretty much gotten to the point where they barely help and it's more evident then ever that they are masks and don't fix a damn thing.

I don't want be like this all my life either. I'd go the detox route but being able to have things shipped to me so easily has lessened my faith in myself. I would have to stay away from here because BL gets me want drugs. In between work I check other forums.

Good luck OP. Hope life improves.
 
So as said before. I need to man the fuck up. But that's easier said then done.

Especially if you're not using steroids xD

Either way, it would only work for half the population. Women can't man up unless they change their sex. I prefer more wide range advices.
 
No. I always had a killer memory and that has helped me tremendously in life, especially in college where I would slack on the studying a lot compared to the others and thankfully my friends were pretty much like me. Health problems stroke me right after getting my degree. And hey guido, that kind of talk does nothing to me. Benzos have to be tapered out of the way. I already managed to remove 66% of my intake one time and never went back up. Thank god for valium/librium. Other less informed benzo detox involves phenobarbital (a really weak as shit barb used as an anticonvulsant for some week) and it has been described as barbaric by a couple of serious studies.

Psychiatrist always asks about my memory and it's a fucking annoyance. Finally, the benzos actually helped me to get on a calm trip into life for a long while to think things through. If I could just not have any withdrawals, I'd be pretty damn fine, I have indeed sorted out a lot of the things that made me anxious (actual physical pain/problems) and a kind of existential crisis brought on by a surprise buttsex session with 5 hits of DOB....

I'm doing fine, I finally have my hydrocortisone to go with my testosterone. I can't wait to have this hormone balanced too. Once these basic health issues are over with everything else shall be pretty damn easier.
 
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