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from vicodin to oxy to opana to heroin to subutex to loperamide

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Ryanzpc

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I dont want to get into my past drug experiances they are the same as everyones but ive used opiates and speed for ten years im 30 and was on subutex for almost two years, with no major hiccups, financialy i couldnt afford it any longer and did a very abrupt taper from 24 mg to 4 then i was out. I was getting dope sick for the first time in a few years and read about loperamide and gave it a go ive been on it for a week now actually 8 days and been fairly comfortable im dropping the lopermide dose now and im a bit scared im still gonna have discomfort but i wanted people to know its working for me. It was either that or go score and no i dont get high off it or feel speedy mornings are tough but ive slept every night using 5 mg of ambien and 30-40 mg of lope twice a day. The sleep is what told me its working the last time i withdrew i didnt sleep well at all unless i relapsed nothing helped and was why i usually relapsed, i just want people to know it works with even fairly high doses of rx opiates and possibly street opiates.
Im new to the forum but ive taken every opiate i know of in mass quantities and in a jam this works
 
Yes Loperamide works.

However, Loperamide has a withdrawal that's comparable to Fentanyl. There is physical addiction potential by taking Loperamide and when I went through lope withdrawals - it was the worst thing I've ever had to experience. Worse than Hydro withdrawals, worse than Oxy withdrawals, etc. So I recommend you take extreme caution when tapering with Loperamide. It definitely works, but you don't want to get stuck addicted to lope either.

Do not bump up your dose on the Loperamide! If 40MG's twice a day is working for you, don't fuck that up! I made the mistake of trying to high off of Loperamide. It doesn't work and you just become physically addicted. If I was you, in a week I would bump your dose down to 38MG's twice a day, then 34MG's, then 30MG's, etc. That's how I got off of it, and it worked great. I only had very minor withdrawal symptoms doing that (minor cognitive impairment and some restlessness) and now I'm off of it.
 
Thank you very much so far for me the hardest thing is in the mornings im physically drained its not until 3-4 pm that i wanna move, with a 3 yr old thats tough i have no cravings probably due to long term subs changing the way i take drugs, but this morning only took 30 mg and after the morning fog im only slightly uncomfortable. Am i right to assume with lope its a short detox although very intense.
 
I will admit to playing with dose as well hoping for the energy i use to get years ago from a hand full of vicodin, but only got stomach aches and drowsy
 
Ryanzpc said:
I will admit to playing with dose as well hoping for the energy i use to get years ago from a hand full of vicodin, but only got stomach aches and drowsy
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No problem! I do believe Loperamide withdrawal is slightly shorter than other opioids, however, due to intensity, I would still say it's no better than other opioids. However, there is one very big benefit with Loperamide, it has no or very little psychological withdrawal. I had no cravings for it and most people agree that this is virtually not there.

Like with any other opioid withdrawal, you could experience hot flashes/cold flashes, stomach aches, head aches, rebound pain, nausea, vomiting, constipation and other bowel issues. Therefore, it's generally accepted that opioids SHOULD be tapered gradually and supplementally medication and lifestyle changes should be made in order to accommodate their personality. I'm not trying to imply that my word is the last word is opioid withdrawal, but this is the generally accepted way to getting off opioids.

Again, upping your dose shouldn't be done if your current dose is working fine. With 40 milligrams, your withdrawal (if any) should only be mild - moderate. I believe the only reason why mine was so bad was due to the fact I cold-turkey'd a 200 milligram a day habit. The withdrawal was very unpleasant. You shouldn't experience vomiting or awful hot flashes like I did though. At worst, I believe you'll only have the equivalent of a bad cold for week or two. However, this won't be true if you cold-turkey the loperamide right now. Again, your dosage should be tapered gradually until you reach somewhere around 5-10 milligrams. Dosage should only be changed once a week in order to ensure you don't have horribly impairing withdrawals. I believe of you taper, you should only experience minor withdrawals for a week or two.

Since you have had substance abuse issues in the past, I do not recommend short-term Benzodiazepine or Stimulant use. Even though it would greatly reduce your symptoms, you don't want to trade one addiction for another.

Anyways, everyone on bluelight is here to help you through your journey :) feel free to PM me anytime if you need anything.

Best Regards,
SwampFox
 
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Thanks i plan on hitting a few meetings once im up to it, just nice to openly talk, ive always been able to handle the withdraws if life allows me to slow down but i usually break in order to take care of normal life the only issues im having is muscle pain and im freezing, no hot flashes wich is nice to be one temperature, at least i can dress accordingly, its been a cake walk so far, i originally thought it was a damn mirracle, i will slow my taper down to avoid the bad symptoms. I just want people in a bind not to go drop twenty on tar when they can mantain on lope if they choose to stay cleanish, also i dont regret subutex long term maint is what made the cravings subside after my first three rehabs doing a one week taper,
Best to you and thanks also,
Ryan
 
Lope w/d is comparable to Fent? Not sure I buy that, Lope has around a 10 hour half life.

If I were you OP, I would try to get some more Subs and taper again. But this time don't use a ridiculous dose of 24 mg a day. Stabilize at around 4 mg and drop to 75% of original dose every 4 days, or week if you can't handle that. No one needs 24 mg of Sub a day, many on here will vouch for that. I don't understand the idea of using lope to ease off Subs when you can easily taper down to doses around .1 mg a day with Subs. I understand this was a financial situation, but that was premeditated by the unnecessarily large dose of Sub.
 
RTrain said:
Lope w/d is comparable to Fent? Not sure I buy that, Lope has around a 10 hour half life.
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The pharmacodynamic actions of Loperamide do not suggest it would have comparable withdrawals, however, most user reports agree that the withdrawals are very bad from Loperamide, and considering that Loperamide is one of the derivatives of Fentanyl, it would make sense to compare Loperamide withdrawal to Fentanyl.

RTrain said:
If I were you OP, I would try to get some more Subs and taper again..
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I do not agree at all.

If Loperamide is working for the OP then there is no reason to switch back to Suboxone. Suboxone is very addicting physically and mentally. If Loperamide is working, why would you want to prolong and exacerbate your withdrawals? That doesn't make sense. Loperamide may have moderately bad withdrawals, however, long-term Loperamide will be WAY easier to quit than suboxone.
 
RTrain said:
Lope w/d is comparable to Fent? Not sure I buy that, Lope has around a 10 hour half life.

If I were you OP, I would try to get some more Subs and taper again. But this time don't use a ridiculous dose of 24 mg a day. Stabilize at around 4 mg and drop to 75% of original dose every 4 days, or week if you can't handle that. No one needs 24 mg of Sub a day, many on here will vouch for that. I don't understand the idea of using lope to ease off Subs when you can easily taper down to doses around .1 mg a day with Subs. I understand this was a financial situation, but that was premeditated by the unnecessarily large dose of Sub.
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For me it's the doctors visit they changed policy and I had no choice, but I will say I won't go back to subs I'm comfortable and it's not fun but easier than the one time I tried to get off them before, I'm on day 9 so getting on even a low dose is counterproductive, I truly believe subs even without the high shouldn't be given for Vic's or low oxy use or tramadol ect, I've been in rehab with those types of addictions and they get there morning sub dose and there all always high having fun, the big time dopers h, diladud Fentanyl and opana are the one that feel better but still like shit, for a little bit, trading an easy withdraw doesn't make sense for a stronger one and for me I did all of them cold turkey successfully except heroin, opana, and Suboxone which with lope I can say I've coasted through these nine days, no cravings just sore tired and tummy troubles.
No offense meant but yes they may be addicted but if those can't be tapered neither will they with subs in my humble opinion.
 
It's good to hear you're gonna stay off the Subs :)

I always found that I was horribly constipated on opioids. Something that really helps are laxatives. Long-term use of laxatives aren't recommended because they can cause slight damage to your small intestine and colon. However, they work wonders for getting rid of stomach pain associated with opiate use/withdrawals. Personally, I had great luck Dulcolax (bisacodyl).
 
I always had tummy issues but mine are eat go to bathroom, opiates make me regular, just that empty can't eat yet feeling, but I'm feeling very normal right now, took my bedtime cocktail so hopefully gonna curl up in bed soon.
 
Just a quick update for those that will try to do this and come across this, I have tapered my lope dose and read horror stories of people getting sick but for me I started at 30-50 mg twice daily until I found the right spot, I stayed at 30 mg for 7 days and have now dropped to 18 and the only thing I'm taking it for now is to stop diarrhea, yesterday I was in withdraw but most likely was the end of two years on Suboxone, today nothing just the runs, I think for me once you get down under 26-30 mg the opiate withdraw benifits cease and it's not potent enough to produce sleepiness or any side effects besides inducing constipation, I think it's a sweet spot of over this amount you get withdraw relief under this it's just diarrhea, I guess that may or may not make since but best to all struggling.
Ryan
 
Dunno if this helps anyone or if it sounds naïve but I tried gabapentin (Neurontin) yesterday for opiate w/ds and it turned out to be pretty handy. Just throwing that out there. Didn't help w/ stomach issues but there's other OTC meds that work for that.

Loperamide is something I've not heard of before. How hard would it be to get this from a doc? Any experience with the dif between using Neurontin and loperamide?
 
Ryanzpc said:
For me it's the doctors visit they changed policy and I had no choice, but I will say I won't go back to subs I'm comfortable and it's not fun but easier than the one time I tried to get off them before, I'm on day 9 so getting on even a low dose is counterproductive, I truly believe subs even without the high shouldn't be given for Vic's or low oxy use or tramadol ect, I've been in rehab with those types of addictions and they get there morning sub dose and there all always high having fun, the big time dopers h, diladud Fentanyl and opana are the one that feel better but still like shit, for a little bit, trading an easy withdraw doesn't make sense for a stronger one and for me I did all of them cold turkey successfully except heroin, opana, and Suboxone which with lope I can say I've coasted through these nine days, no cravings just sore tired and tummy troubles.
No offense meant but yes they may be addicted but if those can't be tapered neither will they with subs in my humble opinion.
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IDK, I find Subs very easy to taper off, but you gotta get down real low. I mean if you try to get off at 4 mg a day you will probably fail, the w/d lasts 2-3 weeks and is relatively heavy at that dose.

For me the hard part is not relapsing back to the H when I get money again and the Subs are losing their magic. After 2 weeks on Subs I typically hit point where they don't do a thing for me in terms of getting "high". Its like 3-4 days of feeling crappy until I start feeling decent on them, even a slight opiate buzz for 2-3 hours after dosing. But that buzz gets weaker and weaker so at that point I can drop the dose with no problem. I do something along the lines of 8 mg for the first 2 days off H, then 6 on day 3, then 4 on day 4. Within a week from then I can be down to 2 mg and easily keep cutting it down.
 
^I think you mean Imodium, the most common trade name for loperamide. Its got a bunch others, (Lopex, Imodium, Dimor, Fortasec, Lopedium, and Pepto Diarrhea Control) per wikipedia.
 
Todays been the toughest day 12 rls kicked in and sleep sucked few hot flashes but still easier than heroin or subutex, its been a long time since ive been through this but still a walk in the part, probably help my new girl isnt a junkie like my old i think she talked me into feeling worse than i really did, come to think of it i never ran out until she got into my life... She was a baby dope sick.... Did some crazy shit for dope to shut her up.... Not that i didnt benifit but damn 240 opanas and 90 oc 80 would be gone in like two weeks lol. Feeling up beat i got this, my doctor even called from home saying hed call subs in i guess he felt bad but i turned him down.. i got this its different somehow, sure i miss being high and someday i may again but never again will i do the withdraw, nothings gonna own me again. Id rather never do them than need them to stay well.
 
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