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Kratom definitely comes with it's own wds. I think I was constipated off kratom for a couple of days recently (although I've been on the AH a bit too often recently too) and

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I did the biggest shit I've ever done yesterday


because I was staying at my parents and didn't have my usual kratom dose till late in the day. Good news is I used my mum's toilet.

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Bad news it was just a really solid shit, wasn't until I got home that the skits started
 
thanks for the updates on your bowel movements Knock.

Im undecided now about Kratom Sam. I dont know if its a good idea or a bad idea. I suspect because bupe is so strong, and i cant practically take any dose lower than 0.25, that kratom might kind of fill the gap as the next step down, and make the final jump off slightly less painfull.
 
I think it can definitely help, if you keep the doses low the wd effects are mild enough not to be an issue. But I agree with Sam, leave it until you actually need the stuff.

Oh yeah, I actually think in many ways kratom is better than many opiates for leading a functional life. If it's dosed sensibly it is energising, very clear headed and anti-depressive. You loved o-dt, just like me. It's the closest in these terms to o-dt of anything else I've tried.
 
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knock said:
Kratom definitely comes with it's own wds. I think I was constipated off kratom for a couple of days recently (although I've been on the AH a bit too often recently too) and

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I did the biggest shit I've ever done yesterday


because I was staying at my parents and didn't have my usual kratom dose till late in the day. Good news is I used my mum's toilet.

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Bad news it was just a really solid shit, wasn't until I got home that the skits started
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f'ing henry. WTF is "Kratom"... sounds like something from star trek

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Well done with the mega-poop though :) did you take a picture and upload it to ratemypoo.com?
 
haha I didn't have my camera on me and it was half way round the bend, but let's just say
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it took 5 minutes to get out from touching cloth to crimping off and it certainly felt like it was two foot long :D


And was extremely painful.

Kratom is a tree from SE asia which is used traditionally as medicine and as recreational drug. And for making work bearable. It contains a range of psychoactive chemicals but the main effects are mu-opioid agonism and secondary effects are mild NMDA antagonism. Possibly other effects too, it's the subject of ongoing research.
 
knock said:
I think it can definitely help, if you keep the doses low the wd effects are mild enough not to be an issue. But I agree with Sam, leave it until you actually need the stuff.

Oh yeah, I actually think in many ways kratom is better than many opiates for leading a functional life. If it's dosed sensibly it is energising, very clear headed and anti-depressive. You loved o-dt, just like me. It's the closest in these terms to o-dt of anything else I've tried.
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i may be able to obtain some 0.2 bupe pills. Ive never heard of them before, i though they only did 0.4 but it seems they are available at a 0.2 dose. If i can get them, then I'll use them to get my dose as low as possible for jumping. Then i can save the kratom for getting high with. I suspect if it in any way resembles the effects of odt then im gonna struggle to be strict with myself and use at strictly as a means of tapering.
 
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i may be able to obtain some 0.2 bupe pills. Ive never heard of them before, i though they only did 0.4 but it seems they are available at a 0.2 dose. If i can get them, then I'll use them to get my dose as low as possible for jumping. Then i can save the kratom for getting high with. I suspect if it in any way resembles the effects of odt then im gonna struggle to be strict with myself and use at strictly as a means of tapering.
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It's not so potent as o-dt. And repeat or excessive dosing beyond a certain point doesn't make things better, it actually becomes a bit dysphoric. So it's self-limiting in a way odt is not.

That's not to say throw caution to the wind, but I'd be less worried about kratom than the much-sought-after return of the target of both our lusts.
 
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he probably uses his self-deprecation as a tool of manipulation too
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anything and everything can be used as a tool for manipulation in life. self deprecation is just as useful as cockiness. its all part of the charm'sterspaint pad


and i don't think he's sexist as such, just a womaniser. treating women as equals and manipulating them through charm/charisma/romance are not mutually exclusive. i do, but then i do so to men as well. im an equal opportunity manipulator. and if you cunts are honest, so are the rest of yers, to a greater or lesser degree



but yes, his vocabulary is excellent. though plenty here are his equal. it's just exceptional in the bland, inoffensive, mass appeal vocation he is a representative of
 
Sure we all do manipulation. There's a fine line (it's more of a spectrum, really) between manipulation, persuasion, negotiation and an honest meeting of minds. I like to think I try to veer towards the "honest" end of that spectrum. But yeah I know very well I've been manipulative, and manipulated, countless times, usually with those I love most. It's actually quite easy to spot, I think.
 
Isnt every successful social interaction a manipluation of sorts. Im a bit confused and paranoid about this. For something to go well and to get on with people you have to do socially acceptable or people pleasing things. In a way that is manipulation to get people to like you.

I've tried the other ways, 'doing your own thing', 'having an independent agenda' 'refusing to people please', they are not very successfull strategies if you want to be liked.
 
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but yes, his vocabulary is excellent. though plenty here are his equal. it's just exceptional in the bland, inoffensive, mass appeal vocation he is a representative of
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Yeah, it's come to something when the very fact that a television presenter holds an opinion and can express it with some conviction (at the same time as being pretty vague and nebulous about it) is enough to send ripples through popular culture. It's something though, I guess.

Would we have expected more of Dominik Diamond* or Terry Christian**, I wonder?



* - Nineties TV twat
** - Nineties TV twat
 
mdb, To me manipulation means deceit and preying on weakness. Like, you can manipulate a sexual partner into sex, by pushing the right buttons at the right time. But that's pretty devious behaviour. On the other hand, if you pick up on the fact your partner is a bit frisky, there is no manipulation involved in flirting a bit, kissing tenderly and one thing leading to another. I don't think that is manipulation.

Why am I using sex as my example for manipulation? :( I hope I am too aware of my own failings to practise such behaviour these days.


And I don't think "refusing to please people" is some sort of high moral goal. Pleasing people is a natural human behaviour (one amongst many less noble). It does not have to be deceitful.

As for "having an independent agenda", I think as social beings we have social agendas (as well as our own). There's nothing to be gained from avoiding social agendas. You can have integrity while doing either.

And again, "doing your own thing"! Yeah, some of the time, but sometimes we do things in groups, even groups of two.


"Being yourself" on the other hand... that might well be an attractive characteristic. But "yourself" is not a static thing, we change from moment to moment, and throughout our lives, and sometimes those changes are influenced by other people. Again, nowt wrong with that.
 
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mdb, To me manipulation means deceit and preying on weakness. Like, you can manipulate a sexual partner into sex, by pushing the right buttons at the right time. But that's pretty devious behaviour. On the other hand, if you pick up on the fact your partner is a bit frisky, there is no manipulation involved in flirting a bit, kissing tenderly and one thing leading to another. I don't think that is manipulation.

Why am I using sex as my example for manipulation? :( I hope I am too aware of my own failings to practise such behaviour these days.
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i guess it boils down to whether its perceived as devious and dark or just benevolent. There is hardly a character more manipulative than PG Woodhouses' Jeeves, yet we are full of admiration for that guy. We do not recoil in horror at his actions and brilliant schemings.
 
I've made some edits to my last post! All for you :D

And yeah you're right, manipulation in the Jeeves style may well be a good thing. However you need a short-sighted, childish Bertie Wooster to play that card with.
 
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Im just gratefull that people like Brand are allowed to air their views openly on TV. For all this countries faults we do have freedom of speach. He'd have got at least 2 years in jail if he did that in Russia.
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Well yeah, this ain't Russia. You're right there.

At the same time, it's a bit sad that it takes a 'celebrity' using his existing fame (and enhancing his own cachet in the process, lest we forget) to even begin to rally people. Though I suppose that's the world we live in.
 
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Well yeah, this ain't Russia. You're right there.

At the same time, it's a bit sad that it takes a 'celebrity' using his existing fame (and enhancing his own cachet in the process, lest we forget) to even begin to rally people. Though I suppose that's the world we live in.
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I suspect there's a lot of 'grass roots' activists around attempting the same thing. Like you say though, such causes tend to need big name backing to really take off.
 
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