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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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Rectal use of 4fa and 4fma both were irritating. I think the best bet is to parachute them orally no chemical burn.


In order to do what you are proposing, you must find the pH of a 4FA soltuion, and then balance it to neutral human levels (whatever the ph blood range). I happen to think that this not a pH imbalance, and is merely the caustic properties of the chemical. If you find it is a pH differential, just measure and neutralize!

But really, I recommend it orally, not as quick come, a bit smoother, and it lasts longer.

I've also heard that stomach ulcers have resulted from long-term oral use - and this was after consuming 13g in a year apparently. I could see us exceeding that amount, and in less time.
I've never actually eaten it :D - just haven't ever preferred my stimulants that way - and with frequent use, tolerance goes up fast, and more effective efficient means of ingestion are sought after.

I'm interested to know more about whether 4FA burns due to pH, or due to the caustic properties of the chemical. It's not a fluoride burn is it? As I understand it, the F is covalently bonded to the phenyl group. It does not come off, meaning that the drug is most likely excreted unchanged. Therefor no fluoride is absorbed by the body. Can it still burn like fluoride though? I'm sadly lacking in my chemistry knowledge.

Apparently Calcium Gluconate is the antidote to Fluoride burns, if one survives them :S
 
The fluoride is bound intensely to the molecule. It is probably not responsible for the burning sensation.

Caustic and Ph balance are interrelated. , Caustic means high pH number, meaning strong base. Low pH numbers mean acidity .

Best way to find out is dissolve 4-fa in water, and get a few narrow band pH strips, and see if it is particularly caustic or acidic.

Honestly, I think that his stomach ulcers may have resulted elsewhere, or the 4-fa potentiated them.

I doubt 4-fa dissolved in water and swallowed has any too negative effects on the stomach and it's lining. But if you find out if it is acidic or caustic, that could be a reason, and neutralizing it would make it safer to ingest.
 
The fluoride is bound intensely to the molecule. It is probably not responsible for the burning sensation.

Caustic and Ph balance are interrelated. , Caustic means high pH number, meaning strong base. Low pH numbers mean acidity .

Best way to find out is dissolve 4-fa in water, and get a few narrow band pH strips, and see if it is particularly caustic or acidic.

Honestly, I think that his stomach ulcers may have resulted elsewhere, or the 4-fa potentiated them.

I doubt 4-fa dissolved in water and swallowed has any too negative effects on the stomach and it's lining. But if you find out if it is acidic or caustic, that could be a reason, and neutralizing it would make it safer to ingest.

Thank you! After speaking with one of my friends, it seems that the bleeding he experienced from the plugging has stopped, and perhaps resulted from damage created while 'cleaning' the area for proper administration. After taking several days off from plugging or using 4FA (except for a very low dose plug yesterday), he still reports sharp pains down there occasionally, and are the same pains which would arise after plugging (albeit much more intensely) - but it is unknown whether the pain is related to the drug, or is related to damage created during cleaning which is aggravated by the drug. Pain does not necessarily equal tissue damage; perhaps agonism of nerve receptor sites by the drug.
I should also mention that he wasn't plugging large amounts - perhaps 30 mg at a time, several times a day for a week at a time, with several days off inbetween, over a period of several weeks.

He also apparently tried IV once, and being inexperienced in this, ended up getting it under the skin rather than in the vein. He used maybe 20 mg for this, and while it stung for several hours at the site of administration, he eventually felt quite a buzz and a slight rush at first - despite having been using 4FA for almost a week in a row already, and reporting diminished effects.
He doesn't plan on trying IV again though, due to the difficulty of administration and feeling uncomfortable with that ROA, as well as the dubious nature of this chemical in relation to it's effects on tissues.

We'll definitely look into pH testing as soon as possible :)

I'm also curious as to what 4FA is often cut with, as the cut may be the problem as well. I know we found table salt in some earlier batches, and then it seemed to get purer as time went on. Everything goes through one friend who has access to a lab - he tests the purity and then gives it to us. He may be cutting it, and he doesn't know we'd be doing anything with it but eating it, so, I've heard table salt has been found in 4FA quite often and we also found that at one point - is anyone aware of other popular cuts for 4FA? I'm sure people could cut it with just about anything..

And would one be able to easily (without special lab equipment) purify 4FA by, for example, mixing with water and recrystalizing it somehow?
 
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4-fa can be much different depending on dose and roa. When you eat it, its not as stimulating and gives more of a body high that's ever so slightly comparable to mdma but not nearly as in your face, and requires a bit of something else to go with it to get the natural flow of conversation to start off. these are on oral dose 120-140mgs, I usually keep redosing for a bit though with lower doses to keep the slightly euphoric easy going feeling, I would not consider it a functional stim at those doses with going the oral route.. Snorting it though, be prepaired to burn your nose, with this route you can take much lower doses 50mgs or so up to near 100mgs and feel a empty yet undeniable drive or stimulation, I guess this is where the comparisons to adderal come from, I hate adderal, that's why I was so surprised when I got the effects I did when I ate 4-fa. Snorting you can go as high as oral but it will be much shorter and will be all stimulation with some nice body feelings here and there and can be somewhat compulsive, but that seems to go with most things while putting them up your nose as apposed to other routes. All in all to me, 4-fa has its uses and can surprise you and be quite a euphoric tool, but Its not something I would rant and rave about. Weed does make the experience much better though.

I should also add its pretty easy going as a stim is concerned reguardless of roa compared to some other stims, of course if you've been using all throughout the day a benzo is a good thing to have to fall back on, but either way there is very little in the way of comedown.
 
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I was going to make a new thread about this, but thought I'd better ask here and see if anyone has covered this yet: Has anyone discovered a way to buffer the caustic effects of 4FA on sensitive tissues? I've heard reports of ulcers after long-term oral use, and have seen it cause damage (unknown whether this damage is temporary or not at this point..) to the rectum and seminal vesicles of those plugging it for over a week.

A friend of mine is coming across a rather large amount, and we're going to be flooded with it for quite awhile, and in the interest of harm reduction I was hoping to figure out how to offset the caustic effects of 4FA with some kind of buffer - similar to how baking soda can buffer acidic substances.

I've noticed that vaping the 4FA is the only ROA that hasn't caused noticeable irritation after prolonged use.. any thoughts?



I always noticed that mixing it half half with baking soda reduced much of the burn.

Also pre-wetting the inside of your nose with a water dropper reduces the burn...

But really it's a waste to insuffilate. it's best to eat 4fa it has the best effects this way and best bioavail.
 
A person you have to hide drug use from is probably not someone you should be having sex with.

ebola

Just wanted to thank you for this lil dose of reality, regardless of how a substance enhances (or hinders) you sexually, hiding the fact that you're on drugs from someone who allows you to be so close to them is questionable IMO. Ask this question: would this person still consent to having sex with me if they knew what I'd taken? If the answer is, no, then suck it up and enjoy the awesomeness of sober sex :)

Or, if you wanna experience the sexual boost of 4-FA (which I'm a huge fan of btw), take it with a partner and get your freak on, I highly recommend it ;)
 
Small dose experience with daily 18 mg Concerta and 100 mg Sertraline.

4 hours after breakfast, 50 mg 4-FA oral. Smooth, nice effects, feels stronger than when taking without Concerta that day. Not dissimilar from 36 mg Concerta but more euphoric, slightly less jittery, not overwhelming. Good because this was just for a pick-me-up and productivity booster. Worked well for that. Could go higher but that would probably be a bit too euphoric for work.

Still concerned about possible serotonergic effects with the Sertraline so wouldn't do this too often at all. After-effects: a bit anxious but not too bad. Some feelings of tension along the spine. Will pop 0.5 mg etizolam before the next meeting. I keep feeling like some cannabis will make me feel just fine right now, so that's on the agenda for later :D
 
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200mgs 4-FA gelcap on a hungry stomach.
1 hour in (6pm), pupil-dilation, stimmy energy (warm, sweaty). Reversed my anti-social mood to one of being almost excited to socialise.
Next few hours I am chatty (not always a positive thing, as occasionally I end up just blithering), no longer tired. Jaw tension - chew gum. Decide to spice the night with 20mgs of 2C-C - but to no obvious effect at all.
Next few hours no longer as interested in people. Would dance if the music was attuned to my taste, but isn't. Go home with girlfriend. Despite the drop in energy, have long, lovely sex. I eat at 5am then go to sleep with a benzo at 6am.
Tired next day but not low - only 5 hours of good sleep had, 2 hours dozing until the afternoon. No aches except for around my neck - not so bad.

At that dose I was expecting euphoria. I also expected something from the 2C-C.
 
100 mg 4-FA in gel cap a couple hours after a light meal produced some mild euphoria but nothing too crazy, strong urge to talk shit with random people (more interested in talking than dancing) at club.

Took 2 hours to reach peak, which lasted about 1.5-2 hours, then got very tired and somewhat impatient with people + felt effects from alcohol.

Dry mouth was the most severe of any substance consumed and nothing could quench it - I must have drunk 2 L of water at the club.

Went home and to bed, slept poorly, felt tired but not ill or unhappy the next day. I think this would be a good festival drug as long as I had an endless supply of water and/or hard candies!
 
4-FA has been a favorite of mine for a while.

Snorting burns pretty badly but no crazy sores or bloody crystalline shit the next day like ethylphenidate. Comes on fairly intensely when snorted and has a very twitchy "too much Adderall" kinda feel. Not a whole lot of euphoria when snorted as well.

I've found 125mg in a gel cap to be ideal. Really smooth almost sneaky come up that takes between 30 minutes and an hour. You'll be sitting around talking almost forgetting that you've taken it and then you'll suddenly realize, "Holy shit...I feel amazing."

Lacks a lot of the things I dislike in some stims. You're not too amped up, no crazy blabbermouth, no uncomfortable overly stimulated body buzz, no or at least minimal teeth grinding, pretty much zero come down aside from it taking a little bit longer to fall asleep than usual. There's no fiending urge to redose. Pupils are usually quite dilated so people in the know will definitely see you're on something. Aside from being a little cloudy the next day I'm usually feeling pretty good.

Not a super long peak but more than enough for a night out. Probably 2-3 maybe 4 hours max. Very, very, very sexual and no erectile issues at all which is a very nice fringe benefit. Prepare for some of the best sex of your life.

Combined a 125mg cap with a small line of M1 about an hour after eating the cap and there weren't really any fireworks but it gave it a nice kick. No negative side effects as a result of mixing as far as I could tell. Strangely enough I actually woke up the next day feeling fucking fantastic.
 
Nothing too bad, keep the dosage reasonable and it will be better than dexamp vasoconstricting wise.
 
whats the best combo out there with 4fa?
looking for a good solid night of fun, must have sex at least 5 hours :p
 
What is the comparison between 4-FA and Cocaine when snorting. I know there has to be a big contrast, but any comparison?
 
whats the best combo out there with 4fa?
looking for a good solid night of fun, must have sex at least 5 hours :p

viagra =p

What is the comparison between 4-FA and Cocaine when snorting. I know there has to be a big contrast, but any comparison?

snorting 4-FA hurt more than anything else i've ever snorted. it hurt worse than snorting 2C-I, if you're at all familiar with what that's like.
 
What is the comparison between 4-FA and Cocaine when snorting. I know there has to be a big contrast, but any comparison?

Theese 2 substances are lika day and night when it comes to snorting. Snorting coke is bliss, no pain at all, instead strong numbing (when clean coke, that is) while 4-FA is POWDERED PAIN. Not recommended at all for snorting, it works great orally.
 
quick question:
is 2 days enough time for tolerance after a 4fa oral dose to diminish?

long story: a friend and me have used 4fa today orally (120mg me, 100+50 redose at t+2h him). we would like to use it again on NYE party but might look for alternatives should tolerance persist too much. in which case, we are open to suggestions. we dont want to get too mashed up, nothing too obvious to sober people, but still in a nice euphoric, energetic kind of place for at least 4 hours. so far the best alternative might be 2fma with mdma comboed after the first couple of hours. personally i think the 4fa might work as well, though at slightly higher doses... however, i also believe that with increased dose to cover for tolerance the sideeffects might also be more present.
 
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