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Explanation of psychedelic observations through Superstring-Theory

Ziiirp

Ziiirp

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Hi,

it's time again for a little thought experiment. 8o

What Superstring theory claims (to be corrected if neccessary) :

- our world has 10 spatial and 1 temporal dimension
- 7 of the spatial dimensions are "hidden" and compressed into little morphing "clusters" (the nearer you approach an object, the clearer the dimensionality gets)
- the morph of the clusters defines the boarders for the oscillation of the inherent Strings
- characteristic frequency and amplitude (of the oscillation of the Strings) inside the 10 dimensions over time determines the appearance of every thing, so every String-movement corresponds to a quarks structure (particles inside hadrons, i.e. protons/neutrons)

How this theory could be supported by anecdotal reports of psychedelic experiences :

- Terence McKenna on high-dose DMT reported, that he communicated with little beings, that could create things with some sort of singing mechanism -> correlation with the oscillation of the Strings, that are the fundament of everything
- people on Salvia reported, that they have felt the existence of many dimensions (without having knowledge of those theories), forgot how many, but I think the number was close to 10
- visuals on 5-HT2a - agonists could just be the morphing of the higher spatial dimensions
- the serpent - a prominent feature of Ayahuasca experiences - could possibly symbolize a string 8o

Has anyone else seen or felt the existence of the additional dimensions and/or the underlying Strings during a psychedelic experience (and actually believes, that there is some correlation) ?

Thanks for the contribution. :)
 
I'm not trying to be a naysayer, and I generally try to have an open mind but those are tenuous connections at best, especially when you consider the infinitesimal size of the extra dimensions in question.
 
I can't put it into words but I also feel a lot of the "newest" scientific theories are already explained in religions/thought-matrixes from long ago.

During my first trips I was constantly telling myself "this is what the great scientists/philosophers/jesus/buddha are talking about".

But again, I can't put it into words :)

Science (Ego) and Spirituality (Soul) spiral away and meet in Art. IMO
 
Hi. You are on to something! With additional thought I will respond with some proper feedback to these notions.
 
string theory is wankery. mispredicts cosmological constant by orders of magnitude. plus you can't actually know anything about it unless you have topology chops on par with at least a mathematics or theoretical physics phd (manifolds and shit). the insight comes from the mathematics itself. lol @ people who watch a brian greene documentary or two and think they know wtf they are talking about.

the psychedelic experience is a phenomenon that emerges from pharmacology, and does not necessitate a physical interpretation.
 
Here is the speech of McKenna, I referred to in the OP :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSsG2sDL1Gg

The written text :

http://miqel.com/entheogens/terrence_mckenna_dmt_elves.html

He saw "jeweled self-transforming basketballs" (could be a correspondence to the higher dimensional space, what I called morphing cluster) and that "they proceed to sing objects into existence" (creating Strings, that are synthesized into objects).

@Liquid Sunshine

Good point. The only way I could explain it : We in our consciousness, that is optimized for 3-dimensional space, could only observe the quarks/strings if magnified immensely. If we had access to the remaining dimensions, we could go to any place of the nth dimension in ONE step, if we currently are in the (n+1)th dimension (space warping). Perhaps under the DMT influence the space get's dilated to an extend, that we can actually approach the smaller particles face to "face". (I hope I can come back with an explanation, that does make more sense later on ;))

@Achten

Neither can I put it into convincing sentences :) I am interested in the opinions of people, that have experience with Salvia and realized higher dimensions. Maybe they can shed some light, if there is a correlation with recent theories in physics, at all.

Roger&Me said:
string theory is wankery. mispredicts cosmological constant by orders of magnitude. plus you can't actually know anything about it unless you have topology chops on par with at least a mathematics or theoretical physics phd (manifolds and shit). the insight comes from the mathematics itself. lol @ people who watch a brian greene documentary or two and think they know wtf they are talking about.

the psychedelic experience is a phenomenon that emerges from pharmacology, and does not necessitate a physical interpretation.
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Who said that I am convinced of the theory in the OP ? Perhaps we do not share the semantics of the term "thought experiment" ? After you, I am not allowed to ask questions about psychedelic experiences, if I do not own a PhD in physics. I don't get your logic. Anyway, thanks for your opinion (your last sentence).
 
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the hard problem of consciousness remains unsolved and there are a few highly regarded scientists/physicists that tried to explain consciousness with let's say: creative ideas. if you're interested in the field start searching for david bohm and and roger penrose.

btw: I personally have no doubt that there is some correlation between the nature of consciousness and the very fabric of reality (this is what string theory and other elaborate mathematical theories try to explain). in fact I suppose they are indeed one and the same. I'd speculate that if a major breakthrough in physics will be made it will not only involve empirical data from the outside but also heavily rely on introspection - and it will equally explain both of those realms and bring understanding to a utterly new level.
"major breakthrough" does not have to mean the sudden and shocking emergence of an all-changing formula that explains and changes everything. call it omega-point, rapture, singularity, whatever. it's plausible that the subjects living during this time and space will not even notice that something huge and game changing is going on. think about the neolithic revolution - or: the internet.

but I can guarantee you Ziiirp that a) there is no direct correlation between psychedelics and the string theory and b) that the string theory will unravel the big mystery. b) at least seems extremely unlikely to me. tastes too much like hilfskonstruktion. the pieces just don't fit.
 
Ziiirp said:
Good point. The only way I could explain it : We in our consciousness, that is optimized for 3-dimensional space, could only observe the quarks/strings if magnified immensely. If we had access to the remaining dimensions, we could go to any place of the nth dimension in ONE step, if we currently are in the (n+1)th dimension (space warping). Perhaps under the DMT influence the space get's dilated to an extend, that we can actually approach the smaller particles face to "face". (I hope I can come back with an explanation, that does make more sense later on ;))
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you need to understand that the object of string theory is not some material particles, that can be observed when magnified enough. "strings" make up the fabric of reality. including stuff like time - which btw is one of the 4 dimensions our consciousness is optimized for - and a few other dimensions that need to be in there to make it mathematically sound. "dimensions" is not a room or place. it's a mathematical necessity. if or to which extent every mathematical possibility is "real" is not a trivial question. it's a fundamental question and it leads us on the track of duality and reductionist views of reality.
if psychedelics served me in any way to further understand "reality" it was in helping me deconstruct reductionist views of reality and stop pumping more and more cognitive labor into these problems. they cannot be solved by the mind - or by and language made up by our minds. it is a blind spot.
from this perspective it helps heaving a phd when speculating about those "mysteries" but it does not necessarily help you to solve them for yourself.
 
johannes kreisler said:
the hard problem of consciousness remains unsolved and there are a few highly regarded scientists/physicists that tried to explain consciousness with let's say: creative ideas. if you're interested in the field start searching for david bohm and and roger penrose.
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This is basically what I came here to say. At the Tucson Consciousness Conference last year, Penrose's companion in crime, Stuart Hameroff, tried to offer a "quantum" explanation for the psychedelic state. Remember, the theory of Penrose and Hameroff revolves around the idea that free will and consciousness stem from some kind of superposition of the microtubules in the brain, and that a decision takes place when the waveform of that superposition collapses. (I'm not a physicist.)

In light of the recently-uncovered facts that psilocybin (and presumably all psychedelic drugs) suppress activity in several critical "hubs" of the brain, he hypothesized that the supression of brain activity actually serves to uncover the true microtubule consciousness. That is, while psychedelics suppress neuronal activity, they also enhance microtubule activity, thus freeing consciousness from its deterministic neuronal shackles, and expanding it even while brain activity decreases.

I think that's what he was trying to say, anyway. It all sounds like bullshit to me in any case :P I guess the alternative is a world of deterministic brains where free will is an illusion, which is kind of depressing. So should I believe the depressing truth or the inspiring bullshit?
 
Kapitan said:
I think that's what he was trying to say, anyway. It all sounds like bullshit to me in any case :P
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sounds beautiful! XD

it has to be somehow like that. I have no doubt that current neurology is not even close to understanding what's really going on in the brain. there's a fundamental mechanism that we are simply not aware of at the moment.
guys like penrose are smart as hell btw. when they speculate it's worth listening...
 
I have had at least one salvia d. experience in which I experienced "strings" of a sort. After taking two deep hits in quick succession, I closed my eyes and sat back. I saw my body as a writhing mass of circular "ropes." The ropes had a striped appearance, similar to certain types of cord, or what you see when starting at a flashing screen for awhile. These ropes began loosening at the top of my head, forming a hole... and something jumped out of my head. As I looked at this hole, I began to go into it. I went into a room that at once was strange and bizarre, but at the same time very familiar. The room seemed like a place that I came from originally, and felt like "home." Luminous beings were ecstatic that I had finally made it there, as they had been calling me there for quite some time!

Not sure how the striped, circular strings relate in any way to string theory, but I thought I'd share that experience anyway.

Other times on salvia, I'd have fleshy, squarish tubes* (microtubules? prob. not) protruding from my head. Through these tubes, I would connect to other realities. One time I was a greaser from the 50s sitting along one edge of a dark hospital corridor. My entrance to that "memory" was marked by objects resembling the stamp on the bottom of cigarette packs. As the trip subsided, the tubes (there were more than one) shrank slowly but surely back into my head. By the time they were fully retracted back into my mind, the trip ended, and all I was left with was a slight afterglow.

I think that those tubes are pathways that connect us with each other, and that I was possibly connected with a man who was actually a 50s greaser back in the day. I don't know how the tubes relate to any particular physics theory, though.

Anyway, it's a fascinating topic, guys. I look forward to seeing how it progresses :)

* I should mention that the squarish tubes looked a lot like salvia d. stems. I'm sure my trips were influenced by my having seen the plant beforehand.
 
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