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Looks like a pretty solid cycle.Kind of looks like mine
Week 1-15
500mg Test E ( One week more test than Deca )
400mg Deca

Week 1-3 ( MAYBE 4, I kind of want to try out that extra week ) 20mg Superdrol 10mg in the AM, 10mg PreWorkout
Week 12-15 60mg Turinabol throughout the day.

Could you explain why you're using Deca and EQ together to me? I like learning new things :)

I've decided to blast and cruise until I reach my desired goals. I have a severe lagging bodypart that seems to only want to respond to AAS. My next blast will include TNE 100mg pre workout. I'm still reading and learning more about it, but I love the idea of "tunnel vision drive" and "almost unbearable pumps". Other than that, It'll pretty much be the same, unless you can turn me onto something about mixing EQ and Deca?

230 and under 10% is fantastic. Height? What do your macros look like?
 
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Neoprimitive said:
Weeks 1-16
500mg/ week Test E
400mg/week Deca
600mg/week EQ
25mg/day Proviron
.25mg/EOD Adex
.25mg/ Monday & Friday Caber ( this is used because I am prone to progesterone/prolactin sides )

weeks 1-6
60mg/ a day Oral Turinabol spaced evenly through out the day
weeks 11-16
60mg/ a day Oral Turinabol
Weeks 13-16
20mg/day Superdrol

I will have HCG,Nolva and Clomid on hand incase I have to come off due to an emergency; but I do blast and cruise so; I do not have a PCT planned.
I may be looking to add some thing along the lines of 1-Test Cyp in during the last 6-8 weeks but I have not decided on this as of yet. I figure if i keep the diet and training up and continue the loss of BF% that a year out from the 2015 cycle I will be in perfect position for my summit attempt of Denali in 2015. So yeah long term plan but I am already hitting and beating my own goals ^-^
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Excessive polypharmacy IMO..!!!
 
Animal Mother said:
Looks like a pretty solid cycle.Kind of looks like mine
Week 1-15
500mg Test E
400mg Deca

Week 1-3 ( MAYBE 4, I kind of want to try out that extra week ) 20mg Superdrol 10mg in the AM, 10mg PreWorkout
Week 12-15 60mg Turinabol throughout the day.

Could you explain why you're using Deca and EQ together to me? I like learning new things :)
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Don't forget to run the test at least a week longer than the Deca if using SERM's like nolva, clomid for PCT.. You ideally want to be clear of a 19-nor prior to using SERM's.. As there's the possibility of inducing Progesterone/Prolactin sides..

Regards Boldernone/Deca combo: I don't believe there's any special benefit, I'd use one and maybe ramp up the dose, or just eat more..!!! An option might be to use low dose Deca for collagen synthesis, & to keep the joints happy.. (if indeed thats what it does)...
 
Animal Mother said:
Care to elaborate, GF?
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I'm not a fan of excessive polypharmacy, throwing more compounds into the mix don't necessarily equate to more gains with AAS.. As I've got older and now understand some of the compounds I've been at times recklessly using for the last 32 yrs.. My emphasis is more towards harm reduction, maximum gain with minimal compounds..
I don't disagree you can gain huge amounts in the short term by ramping up the doses, but if you stand back and look at the bigger picture, moderation over the longer term with consistency and just eating more might be the best course for the long haul...
My view has changed in recent years as I've got older and hopefully wiser.... I try and get home (UK) at least once a year, and there is a sad and re-occurring factor each time I return home, someone else I've trained with in my youth has passed away.. It makes you think eh"....
 
Genetic Freak said:
Don't forget to run the test at least a week longer than the Deca if using SERM's like nolva, clomid for PCT.. You ideally want to be clear of a 19-nor prior to using SERM's.. As there's the possibility of inducing Progesterone/Prolactin sides..

Regards Boldernone/Deca combo: I don't believe there's any special benefit, I'd use one and maybe ramp up the dose, or just eat more..!!! An option might be to use low dose Deca for collagen synthesis, & to keep the joints happy.. (if indeed thats what it does)...
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I'll be cruising after that, so the test will continue. I will be doing it 500mg for another week beyond deca, then lowering the dose. I should have made that clear when writing out my cycle. Sorry :)

I kind of questioned the Deca+EQ combo as I believe they are very similiar. But, I'm learning more and more every day, so I try to keep an open mind and give people the benefit of the doubt. What I apply to my own body, is respectably researched and advised. Well, I haven't been advised to blast and cruise, but I'm doing that one anyways lol.
 
Animal Mother said:
I'll be cruising after that, so the test will continue. I will be doing it 500mg for another week beyond deca, then lowering the dose. I should have made that clear when writing out my cycle. Sorry :)

I kind of questioned the Deca+EQ combo as I believe they are very similiar. But, I'm learning more and more every day, so I try to keep an open mind and give people the benefit of the doubt. What I apply to my own body, is respectably researched and advised. Well, I haven't been advised to blast and cruise, but I'm doing that one anyways lol.
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Not true at all, Deca is a 19-nor, therefore a progestin, and Boldernone is a Testosterone... With Deca there should be size and strength gains, but more of a puffed up bloated look, as opposed to Boldernone which some believe takes a while to kick-in due to its longer acting ester.. But when you compare both esters, its only about a day..So bugger-all..!!!
With Boldernone you don't quickly blow-up, which can get some people frustrated, the the steady gains you do get are lean and muscular with increased vascularity, you can think nothing's happening, but it kind of sneaks up on you, at about week 8 (for me) gains become apparent..!!
The gains you do acquire with Boldernone you seem more likely to retain post-cycle....

Have used Test/Deca for 12 years, and Boldernone/Test for the last 4.. I prefer the hard vascular look of Boldernone, rather than the extra size, but puffed-up look of Deca..

If cruising, forget what I said about cutting the Deca back a week before Test... just go on cruise.. with some estrogen management!!
 
the Eq is mainly for RBC. I am a mountaineer and will be prepping for a Denali run not 2014 but 2015, 2014 am going to be doing Mt. Rainier so the increase of rbc at altitude is a nice bump ^-^. There is indeed a good amount of compounds, however I have run all of them all so I know what I am in for. I understand the polypharmacy angle GF, and in fact respect your opinion and if I have not been doing this for as long as I have been doing this I would droop things to a simple set up. But I have set this blast up for a specific purpose. And as such the compounds have been chosen wisely and with an intent. Though I do agree with you that more is not always better. I understand the fact that you are concerned about polypharmacy GF and want to focus on harm reduction, and trust me I have looked over most of your posts especially if they are about a compound or something I am considering and frankly you have given out a great amount of advice mate and I do appreciate your thoughts. But from my point of view I can explain why I have what I have, the caber is in fact due to the fact that I am prone to prolactin sides, the adex is there to help with the bloat from the deca, though I am strict in my diet and that helps a great deal as well but, any extra water I can keep at bay is a bonus especially at altitude. ^-^ granted I could eliminate the Superdrol from the end and not miss it as really it only serves as the polish for the aesthetic look of things.

At animal mother. My stats are as follows
Height - 6’3’’
Weight 230lbs
Body fat % 9%
( I have had the hydrostatic weighing done Monday morning it was done )
My macros are as follows

Protein: 240g /day
Carbs : 345g /day
Fat :56g /day
Cal:3,200

This is the diet I have been using to loose weight but still maintain a good bit of muscle. Granted I cruise at 250mg/week Test C.
 
^^the lance Armstrong of mountaineering.

Eq has always interested me as a compound as someone who enjoys vascularity (junkie wetdreams) and needs increase in appetite while being relatively mild in negative side effects.

where does the vascularity display primarily?
 
For me I get the water hose on the arms, and shoulders. My legs are a bit vascular, but its my arms, especially if i run like a diuretic and get all dried out you can see 'em all over the place.

LOL i wish i could claim that title lol but its just nice to get back into the sport with a vengeance. BTW the melanotan II is starting to work, and you were right the scars are turning purple. to quote my woman " That big ass one on your chest looks like a giant night crawler!". But shes ok with the purple due to the libido boost ^-^
 
For me perfect beginning dose was 1mg/daily til I got darker then 1mg e3d to maintain. I could see myself get darker daily when using tanning beds. The purple goes away after you stop using the melanotan. I havent tanned or pinned in a bit over a month and im still just as dark. A bit lighter maybe.
 
Good to hear that the colour stays a good bit after you finish dosing. The purple dosent bother me its kinna funny though. But yeah I am getting a good bit of sun and tanning so i am def getting darker. So I have to say I like it.
 
Neoprimitive said:
the Eq is mainly for RBC. .... This is not specific to Boldernone, its typical of nearly all AAS.. Llewellyn.W Anabolics 9th edition;(2009);235

the caber is in fact due to the fact that I am prone to prolactin sides.... Your deca at 400mg is on the moderate to low side, I'm surprised you would get PgR/Prolactin sides, therefore I'd be concerned about using a D2 agonist like Caber unnecessarily if you don't have to..

the adex is there to help with the bloat from the deca,.... There's only mild aromatisation from Deca, but I would use Adex to combat the total aromatisation from both the Test, Deca and Boldernone,.... That might better negate PgR/Prolactin sides by reducing E2 therefore the synergy with progesterones conversion to prolactin at the pituitary...

My stats are as follows
Height - 6’3’’
Weight 230lbs .............. Big unit..!!!!
Body fat % 9%

Protein: 240g /day
Carbs : 345g /day
Fat :56g /day
Cal:3,200
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You are right there that rbc increase is across the board from AAS, how ever for me i get a significant raise in it from from eq. And yes my deca is on the low side,but I am prone to prolactin sides, but the .25mg of caber twice a week dose the trick for me. And yeah the adex is there to catch the bloat from the test more so then the deca but i tend to bloat from the long ester of deca ( just in general i tend to be sensitive to sides from 19 nors )

There is def alot of the science I need to delve into more, I gotta say your handle on the medical and scientific side of things is impressive mate. Thanks brother i worked hard to get that solid 230. After I was injured I blew up to well over 300lbs, I have been working hard to get to where I am at now. I am heavier then i was when i was in the service but I am by far more muscular. In large part this was achievable through just serious hard work and lurking on this board and a few others ^-^ I have been thinking about competing at some point but i would have to have a good bit of plastic surgery done to remove the relief map of scars from my chest. . . But I digress Thanks for the advice GF ^-^ I may in fact go over a few things just so I have a better understanding from the scientific stand point. Thanks mate ^-^
 
My computer issues have been sorted minus a few USB ports that need to be replaced. I plan on getting to work sometime later today to answer PMs, reply to threads, and yell at fucking noobs running oral only cycles. I needed another moderator in this forum due to how busy I have become with bodybuilding, gh15.org, online coaching, my job, clandestine organic chemistry, dealing with crazy broads that have crushes on me, and maintaining my own house.

Anyways, here is an update on what I am running:

250mg of Test Etanthate EW
800mg of Equipoise EW
100mg of Trenbolone Acetate ED
12mg of Methyldienolone ED
100mg of Epistane ED
100mg of Desoxytestosterone Acetate ED
0.15mg of Melanotan II ED
50mcg of T3 ED
0.25mg of Pramipaxole ED
0.25mg of Letrozole EOD

I'm going to go take a nap now.
 
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flyhighk said:
^ That's crazy! Curious, what's the pramipexole for ?
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D2 receptor agonism.... For Prolactin management: Hypothalamic control of prolactin is primarily inhibitory, mediated by dopamine released into the portal circulation at the median eminence by neurons of the tuberoinfundibular doperminergic system, which originates in the arcuate nucleus. In the pituitary dopamine binds to D2 dopamine receptors to inhibit prolactin synthesis and release...

Similar to Bromo, & Caber.....
 
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