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Barbiturates Help

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requiemblue

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Hi, I've been a lurker for many years. DOCs include benzos and opiates. Anyways, I dont' think this is the correct place to post this, but PLEASE someone tell me some feedback. I have an 8mg Klonopin tolerance and 15mg Xanax tolerance at once. Been on both for 12 years almost. Anyways, my stomach acts up out of stress so I started taking Donnatal which has phenobarb in it. I figured it'd be no problem since my benzo tolerance is so high if I took 100 mg on my day off. Well, I just woke up and I have zero recollection of the past 5 hours. It's like the curtains closed and I just went to sleep. But not a comfortable sleep. Like an "I shot too much Dilaudid, remember to breathe" sleep. Like a deep nod, without the euphoria. HOWEVER, it also happens at the prescribed doses. I lose memory and I pass out.
Yes, I have searched the forums.
My questions are these: Are barbs really as dangerous as people say? Am I going to die? Is my benzo tolerance NOT cross tolerance to the barbs? Someone please shed some light; I need this medication. Thank you so much. I'm concerned.
 
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Barbiturate has been replace by Benzodiazepine for a good reason, they are less lethal. The LD50 of Barbiturate is much lower then those of Benzodiazepines.

Phenobarbital is a crappy drug, probably one of the worst of every Barbiturate. All it does is makes you dumb and amnesic. I try it one time and I felt retarded for 3 days. Its half-life is 118h.

Stick with Benzodiazepines they are much safer and the effects are much better.
 
Barbiturates are considerably more dangerous than benzodiazepines (as had been said). Phenobarbital is generally considered to be one of the least recreational of the barbs. The "recreational" barbiturates (secobarbital, amobarbital, pentobarbital) are basically not prescribed anymore, mainly due to the danger barbs present with their narrow therapeutic index. It is much easier to overdose on barbiturates vs. overdosing on benzos. I'm talking fatal overdose too. The half life of phenobarbital means you have to be very careful about redosing as well as combining it with other drugs (even days after taking your dose). As QUARE mentioned, phenobarb's half life is almost five days.

Barbiturates are also considerably more dangerous when it comes to combinations of drugs. Combining alcohol and barbiturates, for example, is considerably more dangerous than combining alcohol and benzos (not that I recommend doing either).

Short answer: Yes, barbiturates are as dangerous as people say. If you must take this medication, be careful and avoid mixing it with other depressants.
 
I just checked what Donnatal is, a combination of Phenobarbital and 3 anticholinergic drugs, Hyoscianime, Atropine and Scopolamine. Seriously I dont know why this med exist, its a recipe for disaster. I expect this combination to cause blackout, amnesia, dysphoria, hallucination and feelling like your brain is 30 miles away from your head.
 
I would NOT take the phenobarbital anymore, especially considering your description of the effects you experienced. It can be quite dangerous alone, and IS VERY dangerous with any other GABAergic like benzo's (even if you're dependent on benzo's). Both phenobarbital and clonazepam have long half-lives, so even if you don't dose them together, the effects in days after will still prove EXTRAORDINARILY dangerous. My advice is to stop the phenobarbital immediately, and get the hell rid of it. You're playing with more than fire.
 
I think NeighborhoodThreat's post pretty much says it all! Not a lot can be added =D Except, random fact; Marilyn Monroe died from a barb OD! :)

QUARE said:
....Seriously I dont know why this med exist, its a recipe for disaster....
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True. Tbh I haven't heard of it, is it an old concoction? Reminds me of Brompton Cocktail;

A common formulation included "a variable amount of morphine, 10 mg of cocaine, 2.5 mL of 98% ethyl alcohol, 5 mL of syrup BP and a variable amount of chloroform water."
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Was given often in palliative care.
 
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