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[MEGA]Community Growing advice, tips, tricks, & experiences Part 5 (2012-2013)

I'm not saying you can't do it, just that with four plant's rather than just say one you would get seedlings that are a bit leggy by the end of it. If you could add a couple of extra small CFLs that would be ideal.

If you are determined I would take the clone when sexually mature and flower a single plant straight away. You could flower your seedlings straight away and get bud but there are better ways. I dont want to give the impression that it can't be done full stop. With that light you just have to be aware that what bud you get will not be very dense (especially when dried).

I would like to stress that if you are going to go down the route of growing with a single 80W CFL you should go with just a single clone rather than flowering your seedlings. Nothing is set in stone but that's what I would recommend you do in your situation.

I would also add clones flowered from sexually mature plants give bud that can be up to twice as potent. This is why flowering from seed before the plant has shown it's pre-flowers is a bad idea. Clones taken from sexually mature plants are far far better suited to being put under 12/12 light than seedlings which is why most growers advise against starting seeds from 12/12, although again, that is not to say it cannot be done.

Whatever you decide to do good luck.
 
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I am not going to be flowering seedlings, all the seedlings under there right now are for my guerrilla grow, I do not have an outdoor space that I can keep them in permanenetly until it is time to plant them in the middle of nowhere. It is 50/50 at best whether I will flower anything in that shitty little tent, far and away my main concern is raising my seedlings in there until they are large enough I feel comfortable placing them outside.

If I was able to place the seedlings outside of the tent and in my backyard for 4 or 5 hours a day would this benefit them? Or would the stress of going back and forth between different light intensities offset any benefit that could have?

Your first sentence seems to indicate you think I could only take one seedling to 4 weeks in that tent with 80W? I would of thought I could surely do 2 or 3 at the least, if people are flowering one or two plants under barely over 100W (I understand it might not be ideal circumstances, but I have seen some bud shots that didn't look bad by any stretch from grows of this nature), I just can't understand why I could only take one seedling to less than a quarter of the size of plants people grow in setups with 1.5 times the wattage or less?

Adding in a couple extra small CFL's isn't totally out of the question, although I am not totally confident in my ghetto electrician skills I usually do pick things up relatively quickly if I put the research into it. How much light supplementation do you think would be required to be able to take say 5-8 plants to 3 or 4 weeks old? If I got a couple 22W or maybe a 40W and a 22W do you think that would suffice?

I had another one pop the surface today, strangely it was one of the ones I put in potting soil as opposed to seedling soil which sprouted, which makes me think the whole seedling soil is a marketing gimmick since the first 3 were in potting soil and popped even faster. This gives me a total of 4 seedlings under there at the minute, the first 3 are currently a week old and still developing their first set of true leaves, which are now about the same size as the cotyledons, parhaps a touch smaller, is this normal growth speed? I have a friend with 10-20 in his yard and they do seem to be growing a little quicker, but less uniformly and a few are copping a bit of a chew from some insects.

I also think you are right that perlite really is not neccessary, all the seeds I planted in soil without it came up quicker than the ones with it. I can see where it may offer some benefits in letting more oxygen to the roots but overall it seems like a hassle to me, and with the potential negative health effects of breathing and handling that shit I don't think I will continue to bother.
 
I am not going to be flowering seedlings, all the seedlings under there right now are for my guerrilla grow, I do not have an outdoor space that I can keep them in permanenetly until it is time to plant them in the middle of nowhere. It is 50/50 at best whether I will flower anything in that shitty little tent, far and away my main concern is raising my seedlings in there until they are large enough I feel comfortable placing them outside.

If I was able to place the seedlings outside of the tent and in my backyard for 4 or 5 hours a day would this benefit them? Or would the stress of going back and forth between different light intensities offset any benefit that could have?

If it's not too cold out it will be fine. It's the temp differences that can stress your plants rather than the lighting.

Your first sentence seems to indicate you think I could only take one seedling to 4 weeks in that tent with 80W? I would of thought I could surely do 2 or 3 at the least, if people are flowering one or two plants under barely over 100W (I understand it might not be ideal circumstances, but I have seen some bud shots that didn't look bad by any stretch from grows of this nature), I just can't understand why I could only take one seedling to less than a quarter of the size of plants people grow in setups with 1.5 times the wattage or less?


Four week old seedlings are smaller than flowered seed plants. You could raise then for 3-4 weekday until planting out but flowering four plants under that light - I wouldn't do that. Just the one is enough for that.

Adding in a couple extra small CFL's isn't totally out of the question, although I am not totally confident in my ghetto electrician skills I usually do pick things up relatively quickly if I put the research into it. How much light supplementation do you think would be required to be able to take say 5-8 plants to 3 or 4 weeks old? If I got a couple 22W or maybe a 40W and a 22W do you think that would suffice?

Two 20W CFLs would work well, but I'd have to go back and see how much space you have later to be sure. You can get clip on CFL holders - it's very easy to set up. Visit a DIY store for that type of thing.

I had another one pop the surface today, strangely it was one of the ones I put in potting soil as opposed to seedling soil which sprouted, which makes me think the whole seedling soil is a marketing gimmick since the first 3 were in potting soil and popped even faster. This gives me a total of 4 seedlings under there at the minute, the first 3 are currently a week old and still developing their first set of true leaves, which are now about the same size as the cotyledons, parhaps a touch smaller, is this normal growth speed? I have a friend with 10-20 in his yard and they do seem to be growing a little quicker, but less uniformly and a few are copping a bit of a chew from some insects.

Yes that's fine but remember, natural sunlight is very diffetent from small CFL light, so this accounts for the difference.

I also think you are right that perlite really is not neccessary, all the seeds I planted in soil without it came up quicker than the ones with it. I can see where it may offer some benefits in letting more oxygen to the roots but overall it seems like a hassle to me, and with the potential negative health effects of breathing and handling that shit I don't think I will continue to bother.[/QUOTE]
 
Does anyone here have an opinion or experience regarding using wide, shallow pots ?

Am planning a stealth set up and height will be an issue so am considering using something like a cat littler tray as pot [ along with LST ] and basically train the plant to pretty much grow horizontally as much as possible.

I have read that a shallow root will stress a plant to the point of hermie, but i have also read that its perfectly fine.

Any thoughts or feedback would be most welcome
Thanks
 
Because of soil physics, it has been shown in experiments that the taller and narrower a pot the better the drainage and water retention. So if you are going to the opposite extreme you will get worse results. If doing seeds the tap root wants to mine down, making shallow pots a bad choice.

I'm sure you could do it but I don't recommend it.
 
AE, first let me say, thanks for taking the time you have to respond to my posts, I really do appreciate it!

I do think you are misunderstanding me a little bit though, I was only ever going to flower one (maybe two but almost def one) in that tent, and the chances of me doing that are 50% at the very most. Lets forget completely about whether or not down the line I plan to use that tent to flower, because that is really not my concern right now.

I want to re-clarify my situation. I am doing a guerrilla grow, my aim is to have a total of about 15 plants or so out in the wild, since I don't have feminized seeds and anticipate I will have considerable losses between males, pests and potentially rippers/cops. I am hoping to see a harvest out of atleast 3 or 4 females. Anyway, I don't really feel comfortable putting plants in the areas I have selected until they are 4 weeks old, currently, the only available option to me for growing these seedlings is in a 1 foot by 1 foot tent that is 2 feet high, it has a single 80W 5300 lumen CFL in there.

What I want to know is the maximum amount of seedlings I can take to 4 weeks old at any given time under this light in this tent. I am hoping 4 or 5 would be manageable, because if it was say 3 then it would take 5 months before all my plants were out and half of them would be quite small at harvest time. Obviously I don't want to put more in than my tent can handle but due to time constraints I do need to be able to put the maximum amount in there that the lighting allows. All I want to know is how many cannabis seedlings could be taken to 4 weeks under 80W CFL at any given time?
 
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AE, first let me say, thanks for taking the time you have to respond to my posts, I really do appreciate it!
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No worries, I don't mind giving advice as I enjoy helping people wherever I can.

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I do think you are misunderstanding me a little bit though, I was only ever going to flower one (maybe two but almost def one) in that tent, and the chances of me doing that are 50% at the very most. Lets forget completely about whether or not down the line I plan to use that tent to flower, because that is really not my concern right now.

I want to re-clarify my situation. I am doing a guerrilla grow, my aim is to have a total of about 15 plants or so out in the wild, since I don't have feminized seeds and anticipate I will have considerable losses between males, pests and potentially rippers/cops. I am hoping to see a harvest out of atleast 3 or 4 females. Anyway, I don't really feel comfortable putting plants in the areas I have selected until they are 4 weeks old, currently, the only available option to me for growing these seedlings is in a 1 foot by 1 foot tent that is 2 feet high, it has a single 80W 5300 lumen CFL in there.

What I want to know is the maximum amount of seedlings I can take to 4 weeks old at any given time under this light in this tent. I am hoping 4 or 5 would be manageable, because if it was say 3 then it would take 5 months before all my plants were out and half of them would be quite small at harvest time. Obviously I don't want to put more in than my tent can handle but due to time constraints I do need to be able to put the maximum amount in there that the lighting allows. All I want to know is how many cannabis seedlings could be taken to 4 weeks under 80W CFL at any given time?
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If you are flowering one then that is fine, I don't think you need to worry about that. Although whilst you can flower the seed, I really would urge you to use the single cutting rather than flowering a seed plant.

Growing up to four seed plants for four weeks in that space will also be fine. I do think for a period of four weeks, about four would be the maximum I would recommend trying to fit in that space. If the floor space is one foot square, definitely don't put in any more CFLs because you could have heat issues.

Hope that help :)
 
Thanks very much mate, that is exactly what I wanted to know. :)

I hope that your grows are going well this year! Given your knowledge and experience I would be surprised if they weren't going incredibly well.

You ever stop and wonder for a second how much cannabis has been harvested thanks to your contributions here (and likely elsewhere)? You are always so quick to give people advice in here and have been so pretty much as long as I have had an interest in this thread (fair bit longer than I have been posting in it!), I would be willing to bet a good few harvests wouldn't of made it, or at least would of yielded less and/or been less potent if it weren't for you. You are a true asset to the cannabis growing community.
 
Thanks mate, that's kind of you to say!

My plants are doing really well, thanks. My old camera broke after getting it wet in the rain so I'm going to see if I can get some half decent pics on my mobile but we'll see. They're starting to bulk out now and turn purple which is really exciting. I'm so glad I've managed to keep the rabbits, mice, deer and slugs at bay. It was touch and go several times so I consider myself lucky. The mouse traps and the fencing worked wonders.
 
I find purple weed to be beautiful, so where possible I like to seek out purple strains for something a bit different, especially if they tick all the other boxes. I'm doing Female Seeds purple maroc, Female Seeds Outdoor Grapefruit, a single Dutch Passion Frisian Dew plant and I'm doing 5 fem Kannabia Thai Fantasy Max Autos (not true autos).

The leaves of my Purple Maroc plants are starting to turn purple as well as the pistils. It's been a while since I've seen my plants in daylight so it'll be interesting to have a look today. Purple Maroc, as the name implies, frequently turns purple in the autumn. Same with Frisian Dew, although it's the green phenos that are the most sought after so if you ever grow this strain and you get a green pheno be sure the keep cuttings.
 
Thanks, I thought I'd post a few more, slightly better! Hope you're doing well, justsayknow by the way.

Purple maroc:

Second purple maroc pic:

Kannabia thai fantasy max auto (not a true auto but quick to start and finish flowering and great outdoors):

Another thai fantasy max auto pic:
Another thai fantasy max auto pic:
colour:
 
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Lovin it AE, you're going to have some chronic, thats for sure. I'll try to get some pictures next time I head up to the garden.

Everyone, what is your way of dealing with plants after a heavy rain?
 
Thanks guys :) It's really risky with the work going on in the nearby forest so I'm anxious about the plants being seized or ripped.

freehugs do you mean with respect to mould? Personally I inspect the each and every one of the buds by eye every couple of days and every time I spot any bud rot I cut it off with sharp scissors to prevent it spreading. You need to be careful to avoid disturbing the grey mould too much to avoid the spores blowing onto the rest of the plant, infecting the healthy bud.
 
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Thanks guys :) It's really risky with the work going on in the nearby forest so I'm anxious about the plants being seized or ripped.

freehugs do you mean with respect to mould? Personally I inspect the each and every one of the buds by eye every couple of days and every time I spot any bud rot I cut it off with sharp scissors to prevent it spreading. You need to be careful to avoid disturbing the grey mould too much to avoid the spores blowing onto the rest of the plant, infecting the healthy bud.
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No I just meant as far as cutting them down/shaking them to get rid of water/whatever but you answered my question so thanks!
 
I am wondering if seedlings would grow particularly slowly under an 80W CFL or if I am doing something wrong.

I have 5 seedlings under there right now (was only gonna do 4 but ended up with 5, couldn't bring myself to turf one), 3 are a like two and a half weeks old and two are a week and a half old roughly.

The ones that are 2.5 weeks old are still only developing their second set of true leaves, which are still only a fraction of the size of their first set. They seem to have faded a little in how green they are and the leaves are wilting, even the day after a watering it makes no difference. They have suffered a little bit of stress, two copped mild burn from me accidentally letting the light touch them and the other one I knocked over a time or two. They are all bagseed but all from the same plant.

The other two I have are a lot greener and seem to be doing better at this stage (although I would of said at this point the other ones were doing okay as well), one is the same genetics as the other three and the other one is a different, more indica dominant strain, the different strain at this point is actually my largest seedling out of all 5 and seems to be doing quite well. It is probably worth noting at this point that this strong seedling is the only one of the 5 that I have in soil that is marketed as seedling soil, the other 4 are in potting soil that presumably has some nutrients (atleast one definitely has "dynamic lifter" added) and could maybe be burning my plants. Still, it really concerns me that shit might be going really wrong with the other ones if this one is doing so well and they are not.

I have them in 8 oz/237mL styrofoam cups that have 4 or 5 half centimentre holes for drainage (is this too much btw lol) and have been watering them every couple of days or so. It is hard to find anything specific on exactly how much to give seedlings so I have just been getting the soil nice and moist and letting it dry out pretty well before resoaking it. It does seem like they have been drying out quite quick which is why I wonder if I have too many/too large drainage holes. Being rootbound is another thing I thought of but to me this seems absurd, for how small they are in the size container I just don't see it.

The setup is in a garage, and even though it is spring here it has been unusually cold, so I am wondering if the low night temperatures could be stressing them out, it would also potentially explain why the more indica leaning plant is doing better than the others.

I don't have a way to test the soil Ph, but since they are all planted in store bought soils and less than 3 weeks old I would of thought they couldn't be that out of range. I actually went to buy a soil testing ph kit over a week ago, but the instructions said I needed three soil samples, one from top, one from middle and one from the bottom, how the fuck is anyone meant to get that out of a styrofoam cup without damaging the plant roots it is ridiculous. Anyway, in between then and now I had an unexpected significant expense and don't even have a disposable income for the better part of a week to get one of these.

I am just a bit confused, part of me thinks it is the lighting more than anything, the soil shouldn't be burning the plants and if it were I would think it would look different than slow plant growth and some wilted leaves, maybe I am wrong? My gut is telling me it is either the light or the soil ph but I am really keen to hear anyone elses ideas. I don't think the temperature is ideal but I find it hard to imagine it would have this impact, especially since the parents were grown in this region and had to put up with some fairly low temps at times.

I half wonder if I should just scrap what I have going and restart in a more scientific manner, I started these at different times in different soils when I over estimated how many seedlings I could raise in my setup and wanted to see which worked best, but now I am left with a couple different strains at different ages in different soils and as a result it is hard to narrow down what my problems are. It would more than a little frustrating if I had to do that however as it would ultimately reduce how many plants I can have this year by a handful and also sets me back almost three weeks. If anyone could offer any insight, tips or ideas about what I might be doing wrong or how to solve the issue I would appreciate it immensely.

I am sure that under 80W of light I can expect fairly slow growth compared to pretty much any other effective method but I am also becoming pretty sure that in ideal circumstances they would still be looking a lot better under there. Many thanks in advance!
 
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