Do psychedelic benzos exist ?

[Toz]

When these bad trips happen, it is good to have some benzo's lying around. Just in case, we used to call it "landing gear," doesn't make the trip stop but it makes it descent faster. Never had to use them mid-trip, but when you are coming down, benzo's make it so much easier. I like to have trip aborters (plan B, lol). Someone was tripping with my friends and my friends came to get me cause this kid was trying to kill himself and they had no idea what to do. We told him we'd let him kill himself as long as he drank a glass of water. We put ~4mg of xanax in the water and he calmed down, zoned out, and fell asleep. It was a risky thing to do, but both drugs combined are much safer than trying to physically prevent him from killing himself while tripping balls.

One of the other things I noticed is that when people take benzo's before a trip, it kinda defeats the purpose. Trips are supposed to be intense and profound. So I doubt a relaxing psych would be that great.

Has anyone here ever tried mescaline. I did a huge dose once, and even though I was tripping balls, I was calm, happy, collected, and my mind was relatively clear. Despite being a phenethlyamine it wasn't very stimulating.

I've also had one of my friends have a horrible trip. He became increasingly violent and had to be locked in a room where he started banging his head against the walls violently. The situation got out of hand and not wanting to call an ambulance knowing it would bring police officers also, I did something I'd rather not have to do again: I injected him against his will with a rather large dose of midazolam. This calmed him down enough so that we could get him to take some haloperidol pill, effectively killing his bad trip and ending that whole charade.

Personally, I'd never trip without benzos and I prefer to have antipsychotics on hand too.

 

[Solipsis]

Lucigenol was reported to be sedating, although anxiogenic instead of anxiolytic so no not benzo-like.

To get anything benzo-like you would probably need GABAergic effects which can be hallucinogenic or delirious rather than classically psychedelic. The Z-drugs (like Zolpidem and Zopiclone) as well as muscimol (from Amanita mushrooms) as well as gaboxadol and certain other atypical GABAergics can cause those trippy effects. Also the DTs can involve such hallucinations, from quitting chronic use of GABAergics - ranging from alcohol to chloral hydrate and other downers - or coming down from a copious dose thereof.

But again: not really psychedelic in the classical sense. The GABAergic system lies at a much more basic level of on/off (excitation and inhibition) while higher brainfunctions are regulated by neurotransmitters like serotonin. At that higher level there is no simple inhibition or excitation and function is much more complex than that.
Because of that difference, benzo-like effects and true psychedelia are of different classes and it doesn't really seem like they can be united.

 

[bennyZA]

I've also had one of my friends have a horrible trip. He became increasingly violent and had to be locked in a room where he started banging his head against the walls violently. The situation got out of hand and not wanting to call an ambulance knowing it would bring police officers also, I did something I'd rather not have to do again: I injected him against his will with a rather large dose of midazolam. This calmed him down enough so that we could get him to take some haloperidol pill, effectively killing his bad trip and ending that whole charade.

Personally, I'd never trip without benzos and I prefer to have antipsychotics on hand too.

Mushrooms, LSD, something else?

I have never and would never take benzo's mid trip, but like you said they are very important for other people and as part of a comedown kit. It's good to have a pill to abort a trip like seroquel or something, but I don't really have access to those.

At this point though, I just don't do acid with anyone who hasn't taken it at least enough to be able to handle any sort of difficulty. I've never had a bad trip, but I've had some difficult moments, but that's why I take acid. To go on a journey. The journey might be tough and arduous, but it's always worth it. I'm super selfish when on acid, I mean I'll definitely socialize, but I'm not trying to help someone freaking out mid-trip. I will if I have to, but since I'm so picky about who I trip with, it hasn't happened since the dude tried to kill himself. When I start to plateau I will def stop socializing and get myself set up, comfy, with good music, usually in a different room. I've done mega-doses by myself too. When I had my ++++ experience I was by myself. That was sorta an accident though, didn't mean to take 900mcg, but it was worth it!

If that trip was chill and benzo-like, it would have never reached that transcendent state.

 

[Toz]

Mushrooms, LSD, something else?

It was a moderate-high dose LSD as I can recall. The next day though he still wasn't feeling right, he complained about some kind of darkness and wanting to end it all so we took him to the psych ward where he spent a month or two institutionalized before he was released. He is fine today but has opted to leave the psychedelics alone since then.

At this point though, I just don't do acid with anyone who hasn't taken it at least enough to be able to handle any sort of difficulty.

I was actually called over there by my other friends who were also tripping and couldn't handle him. He is a pretty big dude who has trained martial arts all his life and when he became violent it became too much for the other trippers, which I can understand. So I thought it would be a good idea to grab a few vials of midazolam before I went there and it really was considering how agitated he was. I don't understand it, he had never used benzos to my knowledge and I gave him a dose that would knock out a horse and it only calmed him down enough so I could actually talk to him.

I've never had a bad trip, but I've had some difficult moments, but that's why I take acid. To go on a journey. The journey might be tough and arduous, but it's always worth it.

Personally, having experienced something I would rather call psychosis than a bad trip (I also got convinced I had to kill myself) and after effects of that lasting for years, that is not something I want to risk happening again.

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

I have heard tell of lorazepam causing hallucinations in some people, that has to be about as close to the mark of the OP as I can think of, unless one counts the oneirogenic properties of high dose valerian root extracts.

As for the fly agarics, yes one CAN cook with them. They MUST be prepared correctly of course. Parboiling twice discarding the water each time and then boiling before cooking.

My favoured non-psychoactive use though is in meat dishes, particularly beef, where it really does shine, heat cured, added in small amounts to a chilli or a pinch or two sprinkled upon a frying steak in the pan, as it brings out the umami savoury taste type by activating glutamate receptors responsible for its signal transduction in taste buds; it'll drag that flavour out kicking, screaming and bellowing for mercy if its there to be found at all

Lol my old man once was lending me a hand whilst I was cooking a beef steak and mince chilli, and noticed me reaching for two tupperware containers with tied up sandwich bags inside, asked what I was putting into it; so I told him 'Amanita muscaria and Chalciporus piperatus' (the latter is a bolete type poroid mushroom with an intense peppery, fiery heat to it. Not for eating on its own, but it is an essential ingredient in my kitchen)

He immediately whined and told me 'your going to ruin that, yap yap yap yap whinge whine yip yap'

I did not, however, notice any complaining when it came to the tasting mid-cook and the eating of a bowlful when it was all said and done. My chilli is rarely ever the same twice, as it depends on what kinds of mushrooms I can find in the woods and fields, whats in season and generally whatever I am lucky enough to find in the way of wild mycological delicacies, but fly agaric powder and peppery boletus are essentials, as are store bought shiitake and morel if I can find the latter. But it almost always ends up with all sorts of wierd and wonderful things in it too. I don't put in enough fly agaric to be psychoactive, as I'm just aiming for a delicious meal full of one of my favourite foods-beef steak, and handpicked wild mushroom chilli stew, not aiming to trip.