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Mitchi

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Just tried LSD for the first time. And it struck me how different this substance is, compared to other psychedelics, No I haven't tried them all!.
Still I would say that LSD is actually qualitatively different from other psychedelics, which I have tried

It seems that LSD really is not a coincidence, but more like that this psychedelic was the only psychedelic which could have some place in this culture, In this capitalist world. You can actually work on this stuff. Make a profit. It's made for thinking.

So, if Hofmann had made a psychedelic like Psilocybin, no one would have heard of it

LSD is like eating capitalism :D off course Steve Jobs took it.

What do you think?
 
Well Hofmann did first syntheize 4-aco-DET and later study isolate and syntheize psilocin.
If he had synthesized psilocin first I can guarantee you it would have had a huge impact as well, it was the first time psychedelics had really used by european civilization around that time.
People who had traveled to central america may have tried mushrooms or peyote but information about them never traveled back to europe until later.
However, LSD is unique in its effects. Very colorful with a unique headspace compared to mushrooms, although it does share the similarities in its effects to tryptamines unlike phenethylamines
 
Well Mescaline was isolated in 1897. And psychedelics had surely been tried by western people in some degree, before that strange event in 1943. However none came out in the "public". LSD could be used in psychotherapy because you can focus and sit still in your chair, you can reason. Or, you can make music or make a painting. Make money! Do "constructive" stuff

And yeah, as you write, another psychedelic was already synthesised by him. But it might not have made the "requirements" of western culture

Throw a comment now all you lurkers
 
Hmm I thought LSD was the first to be synthesized/isolated by western culture.
I guess a quick wikipedia page shows otherwise, I wonder why mescaline never caught on.
Everything I've heard about the experience says it has great healing potential
 
I would say LSD has a much higher recreational value to the average person than most psychedelics on the market. The combination of nice visuals, lack of body load, and relatively clear state of mind (at lower doses) compared to substances such as psilocybin make it fairly accessible.

That's not to say I think LSD is the only chemical that could have sparked such a revolution, but I doubt the general public would have had as great an interest if Hofmann's most well known discovery was something like 2C-E.
 
Some people really don't find 2ce to have the same head space as LSD, but I find them remarkably similar.
2ce and LSD are equal on my scale or favourite psychedelics if I don't include dissociatives.
If 2ce didn't have the horrendous body load it would easily be my favourite, although for a first time psychedelic user the experience can definitely be a little intense
 
I do think that LSD is quite rational, and that it is very special (although there are now analogue contenders like AL-LAD) but there are other rational ones out there indeed like 2C-E.

What are you comparing to, Mitchi? Care to elaborate on the special quality?
 
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Some people really don't find 2ce to have the same head space as LSD, but I find them remarkably similar.
2ce and LSD are equal on my scale or favourite psychedelics if I don't include dissociatives.
If 2ce didn't have the horrendous body load it would easily be my favourite, although for a first time psychedelic user the experience can definitely be a little intense
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That's basically what I meant by saying that. I've seen more people have difficult experiences on 2C-E than LSD because of the intensity or body load. I used to use it frequently but the body load is just too much for me anymore. I always reach a point on the come up that's so excruciating that I tell myself I'll never do it again before it finally gets to be worthwhile. The worst I ever get on the come up of LSD is a few minutes of mild nausea accompanied by a mood lift that sort of balances it out.
 
What are you comparing to, Mitchi? Care to elaborate on the special quality?
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Hmm I thought LSD was the first to be synthesized/isolated by western culture.
I guess a quick wikipedia page shows otherwise, I wonder why mescaline never caught on.
Everything I've heard about the experience says it has great healing potential
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Rationality. Control. Or should I say, the Illusion of control. The ego stays in control, maybe it is even strengthened? As Erowid states, LSD may be traumatizing. This is not so, in regards to mushrooms, DMT, Mescaline etc. I've never read that before about any other psychedelic (Not saying they are not out there, not at all). Anyway, there is not the inherent warmth, which especially mushrooms have. It is very "cold". Lack of empathy. Cuts of the emotions and travels to the mind.
So there will be none of the rolling around on the floor laughing, or other behaviour which might, in our plastic society, be frowned upon. It was given to therapists, and I'm sure you can discuss even very sensitive issues whilst you stay in control. This would probably not be the case if one took, say, Mescaline.. No, it wouldn't

I can compare LSD to Mescaline. DMT, 4-Ho-Met, 4-Ho-Mipt, 25C-Nbome, heard that should be a little like LSD, but I think they have nothing to do with eachother.
 
.:Holy::Toast:. said:
Hmm I thought LSD was the first to be synthesized/isolated by western culture.
I guess a quick wikipedia page shows otherwise, I wonder why mescaline never caught on.
Everything I've heard about the experience says it has great healing potential
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Mescaline was, for example, the substance in Huxley's highly influential The Doors of Perception:
For Steven J. Novak, The Doors Of Perception (and Heaven and Hell) redefined taking mescaline (and LSD, although Huxley had not taken it until after he had written both books) as a mystical experience with possible psychotherapeutic benefits, where physicians had previously thought of the drug in terms of mimicking a psychotic episode, known as psychotomimetic


Why did lsd get the fame later? Maybe because of its extremely low dose, making it easier to produce and transport. Or maybe due to lobby by pharmaceutical companies, such as Sandoz Pharmaceutical company, which had developed the chemical and hoped to market it commercially.

Of course, it all changed in the 1960s as LSD got more and more popular and later was banned worldwide. And here I totally disagree with the original poster. If you watch Woodstock or read underground media from late 60s, it's clear (at least to me) how acid inspired thousands of people to escape from mainstream capitalist society.

Last but not least, a common dose of LSD from the 1940s to about mid-1970s was about 4 or 5 times stronger than a common blotter dose nowadays. If you take 500 micrograms of LSD I doubt very much you'd be able (or willing) to do an office job the same day.
I find it funny that, for example, in a 1963 research about LSD as a treatment for alcoholism, the treatment group got a 450 micrograms dose, while the control group got a 50 micrograms, instead of none. So by 1963 50 ug was considered such a ridiculously low dose of acid that researchers believed its effects would be similar to none in the treatment, at least if compared with the mystical breakthrough and fundamental life change of the 'full' dose.

So if you tell me LSD is like eating capitalism, I seriously doubt you have a good source.
 
Why did lsd get the fame later? Maybe because of its extremely low dose, making it easier to produce and transport. Or maybe due to lobby by pharmaceutical companies, such as Sandoz Pharmaceutical company, which had developed the chemical and hoped to market it commercially.
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These are good reasons aswell

Of course, it all changed in the 1960s as LSD got more and more popular and later was banned worldwide. And here I totally disagree with the original poster. If you watch Woodstock or read underground media from late 60s, it's clear (at least to me) how acid inspired thousands of people to escape from mainstream capitalist society.
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I'm not saying LSD can't inspire people from breaking, or wanting too break, with the system. Not at all. This "sideeffect" I am sure, has alot or everything to do with the drug being banned eventually.

Last but not least, a common dose of LSD from the 1940s to about mid-1970s was about 4 or 5 times stronger than a common blotter dose nowadays. If you take 500 micrograms of LSD I doubt very much you'd be able (or willing) to do an office job the same day.
I find it funny that, for example, in a 1963 research about LSD as a treatment for alcoholism, the treatment group got a 450 micrograms dose, while the control group got a 50 micrograms, instead of none. So by 1963 50 ug was considered such a ridiculously low dose of acid that researchers believed its effects would be similar to none in the treatment, at least if compared with the mystical breakthrough and fundamental life change of the 'full' dose.
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No on high doses people would not be able to work. Still in the environment of artist etc. where there were non-therapeutic gains to be made. I'm sure lower doses were taken.
 
I'd agree.

I think LSD and psilocybin are inherently sort of... "better" than the rest in terms of psychedelics, they make more sense in context and their effects are balanced and unique.

To me, all these new alphabet soup drugs that come out every other week, I don't think I could ever hold the respect for that I do for LSD nor do I believe they have the same power to enlighten.

LSD will always be my favorite!! And no it wasn't the first psych I ever took, so that can't be why I regard it so.
 
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