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IV use of the DOx series

Thanks for all the input. I think I have decided against IVing DOC or DOM but I may still consider IM administration. Vaping sounds interesting though, do you need the freebase for this or will a salt do? That sounds like the perfect solution to reducing the duration and length of the come up.
 
Oops, I meant to post the report: http://novelpsychs.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/doc/
It is such a small amount of material that I wasn't really worried about burning it because it can evaporate away so easily when you're pulling a constant stream of air over it. I used 1.2mg of the HCl salt but would probably go for 1.5mg if I did it again in the same setting.
 
Transform said:
If anyone has a problem with a thread being in PD they should use the report function to bring it to the attention of the staff. Failure to do this is likely to result in us not noticing it.
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I reported this five days ago and got no response.


Transform said:
A huge part of HR is the fight to be able to speak openly about drug use, so that we can offer help without judgement or stigma.
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I will agree with this however there really is no fine line between HR and reckless endangerment here on blue light, for instance if I asked how to inhale butane im sure it would be closed. Or if I asked the best ROA for Krocadil I'm sure it would be closed.

This is the most viewed website in the world for Harm reduction so I think its up to us to keep it a little clean, this will give others the idea which is already going against HR.

IMHO if you need to bang RCs you should seek professional psychiatric care, drugs can harm the body more than a knife. Play safe


Toz said:
Natural or synthetic, they are all chemicals and there is no difference.
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False, most drugs synthesized from a product of nature have been researched for 50-100 years considering mankind has had access to these alkaloids for the last 2000+ years

Drugs of synthetic nature did not start popping up until the 70s and boomed at the start of the 90s then exploded in 2010 most RCs not hitting the market until after the year 2000 so most of the RCs have less then 10 years of being on the market with little to no research.

So the difference between this world of isolated alkaloids and RCs is about 2000 years of use and 50 years of clinical and scientific research.

Id like to hear you justify your statement above.

People need to stop standing up for the research market it is obviously just a money game in china like other exploited markets. I dont bang however if I did I would go with some afghanistan heroin over DOx series.

Rayalt said:
This is one of the funniest things I've read on BL ever. Yeah, at least with Heroin you're shooting something from a plant! Jesus fucking Christ.
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Ok read above, alkaloids born in the plant kingdom have been around for 1000s of years, your commercial RCs have been around 10-30 years max, the world of science knows much more about " traditional " drugs, and there is alot more published information, study's and clinical trials pertaining to plant matter the boundaries have been set, they have not been for the DOx series, by the scientific community of course.

Sherminator2 said:
Thanks for all the input. I think I have decided against IVing DOC or DOM but I may still consider IM administration. Vaping sounds interesting though, do you need the freebase for this or will a salt do? That sounds like the perfect solution to reducing the duration and length of the come up.
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I am happy to hear you are reconsidering IV ROA for DOx series I think that is something to be proud of, I am sorry about flooding your thread with my own opinions my main concern would be some age 15-19 seeing this thread and getting the idea that is why I am against threads like this, but I think you made a wise choice.
 
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Sure but you don't have a clue what disgusting shit your heroin could be cut with.
When you buy heroin off the street you can't assume what you're getting is even 50% heroin, whereas RC's there is a much higher probability that your substance is fairly pure (but again you can never know for sure)
Just because they are new doesn't mean they carry more inherent risk.
It's just a stroke of luck that LSD was synthesized first before say a phenethylamine.
We could have gone 40 years without synthesizing LSD and 2c-b analogues could have been thoroughly researched before LSD was synthesized, if this occurred would this mean that LSD should be given the same stigma that the newer research chemicals are given now?
The HR needs to be viewed in the way that if the OP asked the question, he is likely going to attempt it regardless, we should at least attempt to make sure he does so in a manner which is safe
 
EarthBounded said:
False, most drugs synthesized from a product of nature have been researched for 50-100 years considering mankind has had access to these alkaloids for the last 2000+ years

Drugs of synthetic nature did not start popping up until the 70s and boomed at the start of the 90s then exploded in 2010 most RCs not hitting the market until after the year 2000 so most of the RCs have less then 10 years of being on the market with little to no research.

So the difference between this world of isolated alkaloids and RCs is about 2000 years of use and 50 years of clinical and scientific research.

Id like to hear you justify your statement above.

People need to stop standing up for the research market it is obviously just a money game in china like other exploited markets. I dont bang however if I did I would go with some afghanistan heroin over DOx series.
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I was not standing up for the research chemical market. I was standing up for my viewpoint that if a chemical is of synthetic or natural origin is completely irrelevant when it comes to harm reduction. Many synthetic chemicals today have had extensive studies done on them, heck most medicines people take today are produced synthetically. That does not make them more dangerous than products of natural origin. It all comes down to how much studies have been done about the specific chemical in question and how it exerts it's mechanism of action in the human body.
 
If the chemical is clean then there is no reason these should be unsafe to IV. All other psychedelics, and also another base of reference amphetamine have been shown to be safe IVed, right? There's no reason to assume there's inherent dangers... am I missing something? IV narrows the safety margin in which way? That is said but what does it truly mean?

I know I'm sounding like I'm confused, but I know that IV isn't any less safe than oral use for most chemicals. I would consider IVing a threshold dose at first though, such as 500 micrograms of a DOx.
 
As long as you know what you are doing, keep it sterile and know what chemicals you have, I can't see the IV route being any more dangerous than any other. The only problem I can see is limited information about bioavailabilty. IV of course is always going to be 100% but to convert your dosage you need to know the availability of the other routes as well.
 
I reported this five days ago and got no response.
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It took 22 hours and 47 minutes for us to decide on the best course of action for this thread and act on it.

Inhaling butane and using phosphorus contaminated desomorphine cannot be done safely so you're right, threads on these topics would be closed. IV use can be done safely.

Please keep this thread on topic. Further discussion about the merits of new drugs vs old drugs will be removed. A drug's age has nothing to do with its safety profile.
 
Transform said:
It took 22 hours and 47 minutes for us to decide on the best course of action for this thread and act on it.

Inhaling butane and using phosphorus contaminated desomorphine cannot be done safely so you're right, threads on these topics would be closed. IV use can be done safely.

Please keep this thread on topic. Further discussion about the merits of new drugs vs old drugs will be removed. A drug's age has nothing to do with its safety profile.
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<3 you.

OP, any experiments conducted? DOC was always glorious in my book but I didn't mess around with needles when I had my 250mg back then, very curious as to your results.
 
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I've decided against using these IV for now, but I am going to try vaporizing some DOC soon,maybe this weekend, as that seems to be a better method for getting the effects I'm looking for. I find DOx chems to have quite a heavy body load orally so I am hesitant to risk dosing too high with the IV ROA, so vaporizing seems like a better way of doing it all around. If that doesn't get me where I want to be I'll probably try a small IM dose before thinking about IV. If I do try the IV route I'll definitely post back here with a mini-trip report, but I don't think I'll be doing it anytime soon.
 
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As well vaporizing would give you a better idea regarding intravenous dose and what to expect with an ROA with a much quicker come up
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True that, usually vaporizing and IV/IM have very similar dose/BA as well as come up (More similar on IV than IM, but, still).

Either way Sherminator2, post back any results! I love DOC but 24 hours is 100% unfeasible right now.
 
It's my general experience with IV drugs that the duration is the same, it's just that you skip the initial waiting for something to happen.
 
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