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Does MDMA at low doses best mimic one or two drinks socially?
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No. Low dose MDMA won't produce an alcohol buzz. MDMA is a bit of an 'all or nothing' type of drug; take too little and you won't feel much; take an adequate dose and you'll be pretty high. It's really hard to find a midpoint between 'fucked' and 'sober.' You could try taking 60-70mg and see what effects that provides you with. However, If you're seeking an alcohol high, without drinking alcohol, search for another drug with GABA properties.
It doesn't necessarily need to be an alcohol-equivalent high exactly, but just a similar lowering of inhibitions and increased socialbility, preferably without the drowsiness which I get from more than 2 drinks (yeah I'm a lightweight when it comes to alcohol).
I've taken half-doses of M1 before public meals (large n loud settings not intimate) and its worked fine, I just dislike drinking to get my buzz and am looking for good substitutes.
I've taken half-doses of M1 before public meals (large n loud settings not intimate) and its worked fine, I just dislike drinking to get my buzz and am looking for good substitutes.
Well, it is hard to find a light buzz with MDMA. By all means give a low dose of 60-80mg a try. The threshold is typically 40mg, so anything above that should produce some effects. No guarantee that they'll be desirable effects though.
electrodevo
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The consensus I've heard with most of the triple releasers is that yes, it's all or nothing. I know with M1, below a certain dose it's really just a stimulant and nothing more. Better to get a clean stimulant and dose low on that if that's what you want (I mean, some people describe Adderall as pro-social, right?).
I think phenibut or GHB would fit the bill here more than low dose MDMA. Actually if you are looking for "GABA without sedation", phenibut is the perfect fit although it is more hit-and-miss and subtle than alcohol/GHB/kava.
Lol I can't imagine what a low dose of mephedrone would do before dinner time, that stuff unleashes the devil inside me. But I take your point. It's funny how both stimulants and depressants can get the same job done, no?
Toz
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MDMA is as mentioned before an all or nothing drug. Either you take a large dose and feel good or you take nothing at all. Taking low doses of MDMA feels like you bought crappy street speed and got a fever on top of it (it will just make you feel jittery and overheated without any pleasant effects). At least in my experience.
If you want an alternative to alcohol low dose ketamine is what I use. I find the effects similar to alcohol with a slight psychedelic touch.
If you want an alternative to alcohol low dose ketamine is what I use. I find the effects similar to alcohol with a slight psychedelic touch.
I totally disagree with all of you...mdma was used in the past as psycho-therapy, where users would generally administer between 40-80 mgs to help them with depression and other disorders.
That dose worked perfect on those patients, there's even documents about mdma as treatment for psychotherapy.
On top of that, I am a frequent user, and have used low doses of mdma for so many social events its not even funny. About two months ago, I ate up 100mgs before going to a huge Vietnamese baby shower, with a few hundred ppl...i made out just fine, socialized with a ton of my girlfriends family I hadn't yet met, and even punished back the dinner.
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thats like telling someone l, I got this blunt of rockstar, but it's all or nothing....LOL clearly you don't have to smoke the whole blunt to get high (unless you smoking schwaggg)....the more you smoke, the higher you get...same goes for anything...
I generally take 200mgs of mdma to get me in party mode (because of my tolerance level), but if I take 100mgs, are you telling me im not gonna get a buzz....wrong, I still get a nice glow on....
So if someone else can get party mode at 100mgs, there's no saying that they can't still get a good glow on at 50mgs....
Try to take a look at your weight too, if your heavyset, your not going to notice a small dose as much...if your a 115lbs girl like my gf, you can still get saucedddd off of 50-80mgs.......
That dose worked perfect on those patients, there's even documents about mdma as treatment for psychotherapy.
On top of that, I am a frequent user, and have used low doses of mdma for so many social events its not even funny. About two months ago, I ate up 100mgs before going to a huge Vietnamese baby shower, with a few hundred ppl...i made out just fine, socialized with a ton of my girlfriends family I hadn't yet met, and even punished back the dinner.
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thats like telling someone l, I got this blunt of rockstar, but it's all or nothing....LOL clearly you don't have to smoke the whole blunt to get high (unless you smoking schwaggg)....the more you smoke, the higher you get...same goes for anything...
I generally take 200mgs of mdma to get me in party mode (because of my tolerance level), but if I take 100mgs, are you telling me im not gonna get a buzz....wrong, I still get a nice glow on....
So if someone else can get party mode at 100mgs, there's no saying that they can't still get a good glow on at 50mgs....
Try to take a look at your weight too, if your heavyset, your not going to notice a small dose as much...if your a 115lbs girl like my gf, you can still get saucedddd off of 50-80mgs.......
and what's up with K and GHB....i think what this guy is getting across is that he wants a nice energetic glow, anytime I've taken these drugs it just pulls me down and makes me heavy and lazy...
Adderrall would work because it's basically government supplied speed, mdma in low doses would have similar effects....happiness, energy, social ability etc....and would remove unwanted effects, like the eye wiggles, jaw clenching, no appetite for food, desire to move about and dance etc
Adderrall would work because it's basically government supplied speed, mdma in low doses would have similar effects....happiness, energy, social ability etc....and would remove unwanted effects, like the eye wiggles, jaw clenching, no appetite for food, desire to move about and dance etc
It's administered at low doses, during psychotherapy, because it still provides a strong enough experience to be therapeutic. Not just a little buzz that makes you a bit more talkative - a deep & meaningful experience. That just reinforces our point. With MDMA, you're usually either high or sober (apart from the comedown). If you're looking for a drug that provides a social buzz, without being noticably under the influence, MDMA really isn't the one.
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Comparing mdma and alcohol is like comparing love and war.
Coffee
Dex / Ritalin
Shitty lame methylone
Coffee
Dex / Ritalin
Shitty lame methylone
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Bluelighter
Just take ghb.. you'll get a nice buzz going without negative effects like alcohol.
Can't speak for everyone here but personally I love having intense eye wiggles. I can't stand jitters from caffeine but love having the jitters on mdma, pretty much there's no negative about mdma for me other than the fact it has to end at some point.
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Shulgin described a light does of mdma as the "low calorie martini" for increasing socialbility and gettinga slight buzz....i would think he knows what hes talking about. one of the best rolls of my life was on 60mg.....granted it was at eh tail end of MXE which i just had a nice after glow with, but the mxe residual effects plust 60mg of mdma made for one of the best mdma experiences I've had. Less is mosre with mdma, its sad how few pppl realize that....there really is a sweet spot that once you pass the experiene might be more of a Meth rush type drug but its just not as good socially, and musically.
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Does it possess anxiolytic properties? Yes
Will it give an alcohol like effect? No
It will get you high in a much different way but lower inhibitions and social barriers just as well if not better than alcohol
Will it give an alcohol like effect? No
It will get you high in a much different way but lower inhibitions and social barriers just as well if not better than alcohol
My friends first time ever doing MDMA she took just over half a pill. I didn't have a scale at the time but I think we can all agree that on a good day you get 100mg of mdma in a street pill.
So lets just assume a full pill was 100mg and say that she had probably around 50mg's. She had an obvious mood lift with a smile always on her face, she said that she just felt really happy and like everything was just perfect. She was by no mean rolling, but she definitely felt something. That may be because it was her first time but who knows.
After that experience she was comfortable enough with the drug to have a larger dose and actually roll haha. She wanted to low ball her first time because the first time she ever smoked pot she completely greened out and had a very bad time, she didn't want to repeat that.
I personally believe lower doses around 50mg will give you a buzz after seeing her reaction to such a low dose. Was it because it was her first time? Who knows.
So lets just assume a full pill was 100mg and say that she had probably around 50mg's. She had an obvious mood lift with a smile always on her face, she said that she just felt really happy and like everything was just perfect. She was by no mean rolling, but she definitely felt something. That may be because it was her first time but who knows.
After that experience she was comfortable enough with the drug to have a larger dose and actually roll haha. She wanted to low ball her first time because the first time she ever smoked pot she completely greened out and had a very bad time, she didn't want to repeat that.
I personally believe lower doses around 50mg will give you a buzz after seeing her reaction to such a low dose. Was it because it was her first time? Who knows.
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I have a bit of a tolerance, if I wanted a good roll I would dose at .15-.2, but a point of decent gear will get me energised, sociable and give me a bit of a mood lift. Sort of like waking up in a good mood after 12 hours sleep. It's a very subtle feeling though and could easily not notice it
Sometimes comparing love and war is necessary...for instance I like love >war, so I would rather go out and make friends on a low dose of mdma and create lasting impressions/experiences.
I don't favour alcohol, which is why I feel mdma is better for the job. I feel like I am more likely to be an idiot after one too many drinks ( which is sometimes hard to tell).
@mj1945- I agree with u I like it too, I disagree with coffee also because it gives me an upset stomach and makes me jittery. Eye wiggles are cool, but perhaps not a great idea around certain friends or family settings (unless you want them to start asking questions like "are you okay bro?") LOL....
I saw my girlfriends eyes wiggle two weeks ago like I have never seen, she had no control and they were vibrating so hard it was a little creepy for me to watch lol....she liked it and I knew she was okay, but it kind of reminded me of some shit out of a horror movie lol.
And I 100% agree with luciddreamer, shulgin knows what's up... At low doses, I use it as a "low calorie martini" and have managed to do so around my parents, girlfriends entire Vietnamese family, work (in the boardroom in hot discussions too)....etc.
Sure mdma and alcohol are completely different, and if you want the same effects as one would acquire from a couple drinks, dont go to mdma...
But if you are looking to increase your social ability and have a good time around friends or whomever, I think a small dose of mdma is better than any dose of alcohol, and I think the way the general population uses alcohol to increase "social presence" is wrong.
I never feel good drinking, it only upsets my stomach, makes me tired and bloated, or gives me a headache if there is too much sugar. To me its a waste of money, and I only have a beer with my friends once in a while.
I don't favour alcohol, which is why I feel mdma is better for the job. I feel like I am more likely to be an idiot after one too many drinks ( which is sometimes hard to tell).
@mj1945- I agree with u I like it too, I disagree with coffee also because it gives me an upset stomach and makes me jittery. Eye wiggles are cool, but perhaps not a great idea around certain friends or family settings (unless you want them to start asking questions like "are you okay bro?") LOL....
I saw my girlfriends eyes wiggle two weeks ago like I have never seen, she had no control and they were vibrating so hard it was a little creepy for me to watch lol....she liked it and I knew she was okay, but it kind of reminded me of some shit out of a horror movie lol.
And I 100% agree with luciddreamer, shulgin knows what's up... At low doses, I use it as a "low calorie martini" and have managed to do so around my parents, girlfriends entire Vietnamese family, work (in the boardroom in hot discussions too)....etc.
Sure mdma and alcohol are completely different, and if you want the same effects as one would acquire from a couple drinks, dont go to mdma...
But if you are looking to increase your social ability and have a good time around friends or whomever, I think a small dose of mdma is better than any dose of alcohol, and I think the way the general population uses alcohol to increase "social presence" is wrong.
I never feel good drinking, it only upsets my stomach, makes me tired and bloated, or gives me a headache if there is too much sugar. To me its a waste of money, and I only have a beer with my friends once in a while.
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The one I've been wanting to try a low-dose, or rather, "light dose" experiment with sometime is 6-APB (say 60mg-70mg or so in a batch where 110mg is a strong dose). On the grounds that A) it's more psychedelic than MDMA, and psychedelics do have plenty of low-dose fans; B) there's at least a *few* reports of successful lower-dose 6-APB experiences.
Oddly enough I have not read many light-dose MDA reports (MDA also being more psychedelic), which is the thing that makes me wonder whether light-dose 6-APB would be worthwhile. But personally I could easily see a combination of some stimulation + mild psychedelia + some entactogen being decent, more decent than at least low dose M1. Guess there's no way to find out except but to try it one day.
Possibly MDMA also has a nice sweet spot for a "light dose", where you want to feel some effects but don't want to be rolling around on the floor in a cuddle puddle. Basically the "therapeutic" dose, eg 60mg or so. I can certainly buy into that theory.
I don't find stimulants to be that pro-social, phenibut's actually my top pro social compound (it's a weird beast, but when it works, it *REALLY* works.) But everybody's different.