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poppy pods...illegal?

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My friends been looking recently into getting some poppy pods over the internet. The wierd thing is that a few months ago it was pretty easy for him to find but now it seems like every site is out of stock. Does anyone know why this is? Whats the deal? Are they illegal now or are there still sites that sell pods? Thanks

~cp
 
They occupy a legal grey area, as far as I know. For the purposes of Bluelight users not interested in decorative arrangements, I believe that they technically could be considered illegal, in the US, though I'm not sure at what point their use would actually become criminal.
 
Dry pods become illegal only when you make them into a consumable beverage/ other concoction. Growing pods becomes illegal when you bleed them for the opium latex they produce.

The reason why everybody is out of stock is because of the poor growing conditions this year. I feel really bad for people who depend on pods because it is definitely going to be a rough year for them. The people that do have pods are currently charging an arm and a leg for them because they know they can.

My question regarding pods involves wondering about what percentage of pods sold here in the states are consumed vs. being made into floral arrangements. My guess is somewhere around 85-90 %. Anybody else care to speculate?
 
i think the figure is much more lopsided than that...considering that people who use them for floral arrangements need say....i dont know maybe 5-10 at most (and that is a one time order) whereas people who have used them long term for "different" reasons need dozens maybe hundreds a month. And more importantly, while the flower arranger may buy pods once, the other buyer buys them religiously. I would say 95-99 percent. I dont think theres a market for flower arrangers at all..thats almost completely fabribated. I mean the amounts these guys sell at a time (even the minimum amounts)...who needs 300 pods at a time if youre doing arranging? lol

on another note...when will this problem fix itself (if it will at all)? How long do any of you speculate that this growing condition problem will remain a problem? Or will this be forever....?
 
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You're scaring me now. I don't take pods, but I take pills and H occasionally. Will this affect the entire opiate market since they are derived from poppy pods? Wouldn't bad growing conditions only be in one area? Where are most pods grown that are sold on the internet? What specifically is bad about this years conditions? Thanks for the info!
 
crazypumpkin said:
My friends been looking recently into getting some poppy pods over the internet. The wierd thing is that a few months ago it was pretty easy for him to find but now it seems like every site is out of stock. Does anyone know why this is? Whats the deal? Are they illegal now or are there still sites that sell pods? Thanks

~cp
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Where are you from?

In Canada everything about opium poppies (papaver somniferum) except the seeds are Schedule 1.
I am less familiar with the USA but think it is the same.

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Regarding below it appears both growing poppies and owning poppy pods are illegal in the United States and Canada. Not knowing that it is illegal to own or grow them (for example using them for decoration) would mean you are not guilty, but it is still a crime.

Canada
Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
Schedule 1
Opium Poppy (Papaver somniferum), its preparations, derivatives, alkaloids and salts, including...
...but not including
(37) Poppy seed

United States
Controlled Substances Act

(19) The term "opium poppy" means the plant of the species
Papaver somniferum L., except the seed thereof.

Schedule 2
(3) Opium poppy and poppy straw.
 
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crazypumpkin said:
i think the figure is much more lopsided than that...considering that people who use them for floral arrangements need say....i dont know maybe 5-10 at most (and that is a one time order) whereas people who have used them long term for "different" reasons need dozens maybe hundreds a month. And more importantly, while the flower arranger may buy pods once, the other buyer buys them religiously. I would say 95-99 percent. I dont think theres a market for flower arrangers at all..thats almost completely fabribated. I mean the amounts these guys sell at a time (even the minimum amounts)...who needs 300 pods at a time if youre doing arranging? lol

on another note...when will this problem fix itself (if it will at all)? How long do any of you speculate that this growing condition problem will remain a problem? Or will this be forever....?
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Probably next year, but that's the thing about farming anything, you just never know. That's why (non-drug) farmers alway grow several different crops.
 
Can someone enlighten me as to why so many of these online shops, many of which are US-based, are allowed to continue to exist, given that, at least via a strict interpretation of the law as it is written, it would seem as if dried pods are technically not a legal commodity?

The continued proliferation of the market is my reason for my "grey-area" statement. It seems strange that something like this, if it is actually strictly prohibited, would be allowed to continue on at all.
 
OregonJunkyard said:
You're scaring me now. I don't take pods, but I take pills and H occasionally. Will this affect the entire opiate market since they are derived from poppy pods? Wouldn't bad growing conditions only be in one area? Where are most pods grown that are sold on the internet? What specifically is bad about this years conditions? Thanks for the info!
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Pharmaceutical opiates aren't likely to be affected. While the US has a policy of sourcing its raw materials for narcotic pharmaceuticals from India and Turkey, Australia is the world's largest producer of opium for the pharmaceutical market and so there's an alternative source available. The illegal market is obviously considerably more vulnerable to crop failure.
 
Can someone enlighten me as to why so many of these online shops, many of which are US-based, are allowed to continue to exist, given that, at least via a strict interpretation of the law as it is written, it would seem as if dried pods are technically not a legal commodity?

The continued proliferation of the market is my reason for my "grey-area" statement. It seems strange that something like this, if it is actually strictly prohibited, would be allowed to continue on at all.
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The cost of shutting down the sites is probably quite high. Also any large government action would draw attention to the fact that this horrible evil foreign exotic drug named opium is actually probably growing in your backyard :\
 
oregon, I wouldn't worry too much, there will always be a market for pills/h. my friend prefers those too but my friend likes having a legal alternative with that. if the legal altenative is just as expensive as the illegal alternative, im sure he would prefer pills and h to pod tea
 
There doesn't seem to be any shortage of Heroin or pills in my neck of the woods, though I live closer to the border of mexico, but still, the demand is way high and the dealers are very organized, at least the ones at the top are.

I doubt there are many people who buy poppies for flower arranging, when I was using poppies I had a box of at least fifty on my door step twice a week. Plus how many flower arrangers would need their supplies FedEx'd overnight? I hope it was just a bad crop or whatever, I think they are a good resource and people should be able to consume opium if they want to, it grows out of the earth like marijuana. It always had a natural feeling to it, I prefer it to straight morphine.
 
I know this post is a little old but is there any clarification as to the US and legality of poppy pods? Maybe updated? I've been searching and can't seem to find too much. I am weaning off of pharms. Just curious. Thanks!
 
I couldn't tell you about US law; in the UK we can grow them, buy the seeds, and the pods. IMO the cost-benefit ratio isn't worth it re buying pods; the price here is over £100 per kg of dried pods. Sod that; I just harvest my neighbourhood at night. (Personal record: 9 kg of fresh pods.)
 
love10s said:
I know this post is a little old but is there any clarification as to the US and legality of poppy pods? Maybe updated? I've been searching and can't seem to find too much. I am weaning off of pharms. Just curious. Thanks!
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Sorry but legal questions are no longer covered by Bluelight. Thanks for your understanding.

Closed. PM any questions.
 
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