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So last night I was at a friends and we smoked a joint, a bowl, and then I decided to take a dab of concentrated thc(wax) and it was fairly big. I'm a 120 lb 19 year old female, so I got prettyyy high off that dab. I lost all coordination and asked my friend to walk me home after being put in my bed my friend left me, but I knew something didn't feel right, so I decided to get up and tell my roommate to make sure I wake up in the morning for class and all of a sudden I went out into a full blown panic/anxiety attack my roommates got me to sit down on the couch to catch my breath, but then I started having muscle tensing and twitching that replicated a seizure and I was going in an out of consciousness. My friend was called by my roommate to come back and help and by the time she came back I was having seizures and still falling in and out of consciousness. My thighs to my calfs to my feet would cramp up and it was becoming ridiculously hard to breathe. At times I would forget to even breathe between having panic attacks mixed with my eyes rolling back to my head. I would come back into consciousness and start ridiculously crying not sure of what was going on. Also I was vomiting through out this, but I wasn't sure if I had the greens from smoking too much or it was caused by something else. I took about 2 1/2 points of moonrock molly over the weekend, but this whole episode that replicates serotonin syndrome didn't occur till 4 days after the consumption of the mdma and I smoke weed every day which made me that much more confused on what was happening to me and my body. Today I feel like I have a mdma comedown very brain dead and bland with a slight headache. I wanna know if this has happened to anyone else or if someone would like to shed some light on how I should handle this. I'm gonna try and see a doctor tomorrow the only reason nobody brought me to the hospital when it was happening was because between my consciousness I was telling them not to call 911, but now that I look back at it I don't think they should have listened to me.
 
4 days after you rolled it would have been almost completely out of your system. All of those effects, although rather extreme, are normal for THC overdoses



This was almost certainly NOT Serotonin Syndrome, people often try to blame every little neurological problem on it when in reality it's not very common. Hash oil is extremely potent, obviously that and the rest you smoked was much to much.
 
THC is a natural anticonvulsant, Ive never actually heard of it actually putting someone INTO convulsions, usually it is preventing or abating them. I dont know anything about seratonin toxicity, but I do know as a frequent visitor to this forum. That A LOT of people get fucked up mentally from MDMA, and seems to happen "out of the blue" after MDMA use just as often as the people who feel it instantly. Just browse this actual forum back acouple weeks. Youll see dozens and dozens of threads regarding mental issues stemming from MDMA use. MDMA is more neurotoxic, dangerous than the street scene would have you believe. Regularly cut with substances all over the rainbow from uppers downers to all arounders. Hell she could have gotten a rotten RC in her molly.

Id really doubt the THC is at fault here though, unless the wax was tainted or something? (which isnt unheard of, faulty purge or something). BHO wax is definitely potent, but proper THC wax by its very constitution prevents convulsions like those you described. Im stumped...
 
Is it at all possible OP smoked some spice or some other obscure cannabinoid? Reactions like that seem more common with HU-210 and especially CP-47497
 
I agree with Folley...THC overdose induced panic attack. I've had a panic attack from taking a big dab with no tolerance from
Not smoking in months. Shit sucked but at least I knew it was a panic attack. I just ate a Xanax when I got home and chilled out. I still got freezing chills and hands/feet after I calmed down. My heart was probably clocking 200bpm...not healthy...
 
That's how my first panic attack happened, recently rolled. Smoked a lot and lost my shit, seen a few friends with the same occurrence.
Welcome to the world of pot induced panic attacks. Even though the MDMA was out of your system by then it still left it's mark on your brain. Your brain doesn't go back to normal for a long time after a roll regardless what anyone here will tell you . MDMA leaves your brain in a mode of high stress , add that to high doses of marijuana and you get a panic/anxiety attack.

I am almost certain if you hadn't rolled 4 days prior you wouldn't have run into that panic attack as you are probably experienced with THC i take it.
 
I don't think THC on its own caused the episode OP described. the brain is vulnerable and in a state of active recovery after MDMA (this is why people recommend 1-3 month breaks between rolls). 4 days post-mdma, serotonin stores are still very much depleted, receptors may have down-regulated and countless other things, yet to be uncovered by science, are going on as the brain tries to reach homeostasis.
 
I've experienced panic attacks from weed, without taking MDMA near it. It's certainly plausible that just weed caused it, I know a few people who have experienced panic attacks despite being usual & regular smokers. I've heard a few people on here report that weed is more enjoyable the day after MDMA, so it's not always the contributor to a panic attack. Then again, i've also heard the opposite.

All-in-all it's a rather ambigious topic. Weed just makes me anxious & paranoid so I don't smoke it.
 
JWills20 said:
I've experienced panic attacks from weed, without taking MDMA near it. It's certainly plausible that just weed caused it, I know a few people who have experienced panic attacks despite being usual & regular smokers. I've heard a few people on here report that weed is more enjoyable the day after MDMA, so it's not always the contributor to a panic attack. Then again, i've also heard the opposite.

All-in-all it's a rather ambigious topic. Weed just makes me anxious & paranoid so I don't smoke it.
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Did weed make you anxious and paranoid before you ever tried rolling? I mean paranoia is pretty common among many users but pointless anxiety/panic attacks is not, and i find that MDMA causes that reaction to happen in many cannabis users.
 
it was an anxiety/panic attack. Same thing happened to me randomly out of the blue smoking bud about 5 years ago. I'd been smoking everyday since I was 14. kept happening every time I smoked til I finally quit cold turkey. I smoke these days but not very often and I had to learn that the tiniest of hits was enough. I do miss the days of non-stop bongs but its just not possible anymore. Your ecstacy use (and if you use cocaine or methamphetamine that too) has brought out underlying anxiety and as a result cannabis escalated those. The only advice I can give you is to cease all MDMA and stimulant use, as well as cannabis until you feel completely anxiety free, which could be a long time. Learn from my mistakes, because I still haven't and anxiety is ruining my 20's

edit: forgot to add that the first time it happened to me was after a heavy night of mdma use.
 
F1n1shed said:
Did weed make you anxious and paranoid before you ever tried rolling? I mean paranoia is pretty common among many users but pointless anxiety/panic attacks is not, and i find that MDMA causes that reaction to happen in many cannabis users.
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We've had this discussion before. I tried MDMA before I tried weed. So it's not like MDMA came along and suddenly ruined weed for me. I enjoyed weed at the start, then had a bad experience, and ever since that I'd get periods of anxiety while stoned. It got to the point where music enhancement, giggles etc just weren't worth the anxious and paranoid thought processes so I stopped it.

I am the minority though, most people smoke weed with little to no negative effects. Most of my mates are all fine on it. I'm just saying that panic attacks on weed are plausible without MDMA.
 
You greened out bro, plain and simple
Last time I saw my buddy green out he was sitting by the toilet puking, and wasn't able to respond to me when I asked him questions, he would just stare blankly and his head would drop again
 
well, think it's safe to conclude that not a single person in this thread knows what exactly caused OP's symptoms...

Hope you are feeling better OP. If aftereffects still haven't cleared up, then it is probably safe to say that the MDMA may have contributed in some way, in which case you'll find several threads containing MDMA comedown recovery tips. Here's an example: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/638984-Too-anyone-who-is-having-these-symptoms.
 
You jsut greened out, happens when you have little tolerance to cannabis and you smoke some extremly potent shit. I dont think Mdma can stay for 4 days after you last used it. Also low blood sugar and lack of sleep contribute alot to greening out.
 
I've been smoking everyday since I was 14 as well and have never experienced anything like this. I can definitely see how the stimulant use can cause the anxiety. I took a day off of smoking, but then started smoking again after that. Definitely not going anywhere near dabs though..
 
I've been smoking everyday for the past 5 years this definitely was not caused by little tolerance. I've greened out a handful of times and my experience has neverrr been like the one I just had. I was having seizures, heart palpitations, unconsciousness, muscle cramping and convulsions...pretty sure that's not greening out
 
PurpleKush1 said:
You jsut greened out, happens when you have little tolerance to cannabis and you smoke some extremly potent shit. I dont think Mdma can stay for 4 days after you last used it. Also low blood sugar and lack of sleep contribute alot to greening out.
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I've been smoking everyday for the past 5 years this definitely was not caused by little tolerance. I've greened out a handful of times and my experience has neverrr been like the one I just had. I was having seizures, heart palpitations, unconsciousness, muscle cramping and convulsions...pretty sure that's not greening out
 
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You greened out bro, plain and simple
Last time I saw my buddy green out he was sitting by the toilet puking, and wasn't able to respond to me when I asked him questions, he would just stare blankly and his head would drop again
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Believe me I've greened out a handful of times, I know what it feels like. I've been smoking for the past 5 years and have definitely smoked more in one sitting than I did when this episode happened to me. I was seizuring, going unconscious, and my muscles were cramping and convulsing. I don't know about you, but I've never heard or seen that from someone greened out.
 
Folley said:
^ It's happened, oxygen deprivation and the resulting shock to your system can cause people to black out and have fits. Always temporary though, at least no one's heard of anyone dying like that or it would be all over the news haha
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Might have been oxygen deprivation because I was definitely coughing for like 15 mins after I dabbed.
 
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