EADD: New (or relatively new) RCs - Tweakier and more moreish

[mydrugbuddy]

Personally I wouldn't pay my money for RC's along the opiate line, )

Odt was fuckin brilliant. Thats what got me into this whole damn mess with opiates, and mostly shit ones at that. After the second release of odt a couple of years ago the hype surrounding it really began to build. It was genuine hype and not shilling. Sadly a 3rd batch was never manufactured in time, as it was banned before anyone could do so.

 

[Bodda]

Diphenidine sounds like something I would try after reading that TR.
Shame my supply site doesn't list it though, but another one added to the list to try soon.

Thanks for the info.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Personally I wouldn't pay my money for RC's along the opiate line, I will stick to what I know as atm I am still onto the good stuff.

Pagey - Ye God's I know we don't know each other very well but for all it's worth don't slip back, I remember you saying you were new9ish) to gear but take my word for it don't go back I mean it. I have lost nearly 11 years of my life to it. You have a good job & life etc, believe me you will loose everything you have & more. I am not a single voice on EADD, anyone with long terms use of it will say the same. For all it is worth I wish you luck, my positive wishes are with you

yep i second that. You can only 'burn the candle at both ends' for so long especially with opiates until something has to give - that something is usually your job. I held down a job for 3 years as a 'weekend warrior' but once i got into benzos and opiates i lost control, and gradually became more and more unreliable/incapable at work, and felt compelled to quit my job once these habits were spiralling totally out of control about a year after i first dabbled.

Looking back now i really was on quite a cushy number, and it paid OK, but it wasnt really what i wanted to do. 7 months later and its only now that i feel that the tide is turning, and im re-gaining control. I have lost thousands of pounds and a stable job that i could have kept plodding along with.

 

[Bodda]

MDB - odt sounds very nice, sadly I have only ever used street gear & never got into the RC scene around that kinda thing, if I placed an order for something & it was rubbish I would feel gutted knowing I could have scored decent gear.

I agree too with your comment on my quote to Pagey, I managed to hold down a few jobs while addicted but your habit will always catch up on you in some way. I have lost so much through my smack use I am ashamed to list the things. I could have got a house by now quite easy but I smoked or shot my money.
It was the worst mistake of my life to try it & now 11 years on I am no closer to being clean, I had a chance a few days ago but ran off & went to score.

Kids, no joke Heroin aint good for you.

 

[Kronos]

Mmm ODT, i preferred it to gear for a while when it was about, only via oral cause for some reason it gave me incredible euphoria and felt amazing, felt sub-par any other method including IV.. ended up with a pretty hefty habit on it inevitably

Really? I heard a few good things about it

Aye, maybe its cause of tolerance - most positive reports have been from people with non or little - but i found it a complete waste of money

 

[mydrugbuddy]

yeah when i was on odt i would be singing my happy heart out at top volume or whistling tunes in the same manner the whole time, as i felt soooo good. I suppose it was for the best (for me) that the sources did dry up, as that habit would have totally ran away with me. My tolerance would have been building to the point where i would have eventually needed dangerous amounts to get the desired buzz.

There is always heroin. But i really dont wanna go there. It would be 'game over' for me if i did. I have no doubt. Maybe when i know i havent got long left to live (ilness/disease/old age/whatever) i'll get into it then. And go out in a blaze of glory. Apparently the UK NHS used to give pure heroin to terminally ill patients to make them happier and more sociable in their final months. I believe this practice has been stopped now. But I'm not sure.

 

[knock]

Aye, maybe its cause of tolerance - most positive reports have been from people with non or little - but i found it a complete waste of money

I find it's exactly the opposite to what you've just said - I thought it was a waste of money at first too, I can bring up the post where I said exactly that if you want :D only after I built a substantial tolerance did it's capacity for actual recreation become apparent. Perhaps that's because I can take large doses without falling straight to sleep now.

Still, o-dt was much better, more interesting.

 

[Tangerine Dream]

Flubromazepams hit the scene (again, this time more permanantly i think), from what i've heard its a brilliant benzo, blows etiz etc out the water

Hope you are right, as I will hopefully be trying it this week.

 

[Kronos]

yeah when i was on odt i would be singing my happy heart out at top volume or whistling tunes in the same manner the whole time, as i felt soooo good. I suppose it was for the best (for me) that the sources did dry up, as that habit would have totally ran away with me. My tolerance would have been building to the point where i would have eventually needed dangerous amounts to get the desired buzz.

There is always heroin. But i really dont wanna go there. It would be 'game over' for me if i did. I have no doubt. Maybe when i know i havent got long left to live (ilness/disease/old age/whatever) i'll get into it then. And go out in a blaze of glory. Apparently the UK NHS used to give pure heroin to terminally ill patients to make them happier and more sociable in their final months. I believe this practice has been stopped now. But I'm not sure.

Aye MDB dont even consider going down that path mate, with your history itd be game over in weeks , stay reducing on the subs as fast as is comfortable then stay well clear is my advice! Sure you know it already though.
Yeah they still script diamorphine amps to terminally ill patients, my aunts used to get em, but they only do it to ease severe pain, when they're past the point of being sociable

Hope you are right, as I will hopefully be trying it this week.

Let us know how it is! though iirc its got quite along half life, hope ther aint any phenaz type disasters! You getting the powder aye?

I find it's exactly the opposite to what you've just said - I thought it was a waste of money at first too, I can bring up the post where I said exactly that if you want :D only after I built a substantial tolerance did it's capacity for actual recreation become apparent. Perhaps that's because I can take large doses without falling straight to sleep now.

Still, o-dt was much better, more interesting.

Hmm you're probably right, my experience was only based on the use of a gram or 2, glad i didnt persevere as the WDs sound nasty! is it still corrosive as fuck? (burning mouth with sublingual etc) I think i read on here about a guy shooting some up and it destroying some of his veins instantly, ugh

Infact on the subject of opi RCs, the consensus was that that w-15 was shite but has anyone tried that MT-45? Heard conflicting reports

 

[Pagey]

Sorry to hear you've slipped Pagey. Hope you're not being hard on yourself, IME (and I'm pretty good at it) it's usually a self-defeating thing. Maybe it's different for different people, some people seem to thrive on self-criticism, I did for a long time, and if you're in good spirits it can be useful, I think it has to have something to feed off, so if you're already at an emotional low it won't spur you on to better things, just the opposite.

I found AH7921 pretty nondescript at first, but with perseverance it can deliver. Not a sensible thing to persevere at and the hidden costs might outweigh the apparent benefits in the end. YKWIM

Yeah it really is a bit of a self-defeating thing...have been feeling shit about myself in general lately and the only obvious solution to that is to numb the feelings with heroin so yay bit of a tricky cycle. If I continue once I get to London (where I'll be able to get better gear more easily, sadly) I'll definitely make an appointment to get on maintenance though, I don't want to take the chance to fall back into full-blown use again...
Regarding the AH though, I figured as long as I'm failing at staying clean I may as well try it since I've been curious about it for a while. Not expecting it to be mindblowing, just wanna see.

Personally I wouldn't pay my money for RC's along the opiate line, I will stick to what I know as atm I am still onto the good stuff.

Pagey - Ye God's I know we don't know each other very well but for all it's worth don't slip back, I remember you saying you were new9ish) to gear but take my word for it don't go back I mean it. I have lost nearly 11 years of my life to it. You have a good job & life etc, believe me you will loose everything you have & more. I am not a single voice on EADD, anyone with long terms use of it will say the same. For all it is worth I wish you luck, my positive wishes are with you

I know Bodda, I know trust me I'm aware of how horrible it is, only 9 months on it and it was starting to really destroy my life (and my head) but I dunno, I just can't. I hate gear with a passion and I have no idea why I keep going back to it but you know how it is...quitting for good is easier said than done. Even after 3 whole months clean apparently

I've been wanting to try both for a while now, I think I'll go for 3-MeO-PCP in the end though because I've just seen such a mixed bag of reviews regarding the dosage and effects of 4 that I feel like every vendor has a different product and I'm worried I won't get the real thing. That and with the prices for both being pretty high I feel like the 3 might be better value for money given the even-lower-than-MXE dosages.

Hey Pagey I just wanted to say, no need to give up I think that's the biggest think blocking you (and many other people) from stopping, you've adopted the attitude so many people have where "shit I slipped up/relapsed" is the same as "it's over, I failed" - you slipped up and that's it, doesn't mean you have to stop trying, just means you didn't do as well as planned..

Don't you think a break with a slip up is better than having just been on the gear the whole time anyway? Even if you slip up again, and again, you're giving yourself much needed breaks and I'm willing to bet each time will be longer and closer to kicking for good. Keep at it rather than giving up you can do it! Look at the progress you've made, rather than seeing mistakes along the way as failure.

You're right, that is the attitude I've adopted. It's just so hard to stay motivated, hah. It feels like if I can't quit for good (ie. never use ever again) then somehow it just isn't worth it. I know it's stupid but I can't seem to think otherwise. But you did put it well, a week of use after 3 months clean is definitely better than if I'd been using for those 3 months. Anyway I haven't used yesterday or today so we'll see I guess, but I'll try to keep that in mind.

Thanks a lot for those posts by the way

 

[Tangerine Dream]

Let us know how it is! though iirc its got quite along half life, hope ther aint any phenaz type disasters! You getting the powder aye?

Indeed. Thinking I'll try 10mg to start with.

 

[jancrow]

Dick Lezzie Pam... what's the verdict? Worser than an etizolam or betterer? And Pyrazolam? That's gash, right?

 

[Tangerine Dream]

Not tried dicklezziepam. I and another prefer etizolam over pyrazolam. We never rated pyraz.

 

[jancrow]

Hmmph, sounds like etiz again then. Thanks.

 

[Tangerine Dream]

This new stuff sounds promising though (Flubromazepam) ...Will hopefully be trying it tomorrow...if not Thursday.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

some people like pyraz but most prefer etiz. I certainly do. Dicklessepam was a bit meh. Tempted by this flubro whatistsname but i'll need to know its relative strength compared to etizolam as im on a taper.

 

[backroll]

the first flub batch last xmas time was fucking lovely, took ages to get going, half life was gargantuan but that was a jolly festive period for myself and others!

 

[Kronos]

Cant wait to hear the reviews of this batch then

mdb, wouldn't be tempted if i were you cause when you're hooked benzos any enjoyment you'd get out of them/noticing the slight difference between different benzos = 0 (IME), wasnt until 6 months clean off em that i take 1 or 2 every now and then, and they relax me/i get much more enjoyment than i ever did from being a massive diaz addict, stick with the taper! (sorry seems like iv been ranting advice at you a bit recently, just dont want ya messing up the taper for nowt & its coming froma good place )

Its kinda pricey for the doses i heard people were taking last time, what was your exp with it backroll? i remember reading it lasts ages!

Also, anyone tried that MT-45? (or w-15 but that was shite iirc)

 

[mydrugbuddy]

i still enjoy benzos, they still deliver, guess im very lucky that i havent blown out my anxiolytic tolerance to them, and whilst im gradually reducing hopefully my tolerance will be slowly readjusting. I have blown out the hypnotic effect threshold, that just just doesnt work anymore. I know you're right though, throwing in a benzo of unknown strength and duration 6 weeks into a taper is not a good idea. I'll have to miss out on the fun if i know whats good for me. I do. I will be gutted if its better than etizolam though.

No need to aplogise. I know where you're coming from.

What are MT-45 and W-15 ? Opioids ? I'm struggling to keep up with all the new chems, new batches of old chems or w/e.

 

[Kronos]

Yup, W-15 sounds lethal, people getting to dangerous levels of cns depression before feeling any kind of a buzz, and to my knowledge nobodys actually got 'high' off it cause its so risky. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen

MT-45 sounds a bit better, conflicting reports like but the good sound pretty good! Gutted i missed out on alphamethylfentanyl & butyr-fent when it was around though , i think most people missed them though

MT-45 trip report from shroomery:

NSFW:

:00 - Took the 75mg capsule of MT-45 Dihydrochloride on an empty stomach. Keep in mind I have zero opiate tolerance.

0:45 - Ate a good sized meal that was high in fat content. Supposedly high-fat meals with opiates increase absorption. Plus I like food

1:00 - Definitely starting to feel the effects. General sense of well-being, slightly stimulated, and am getting warm with sweaty palms and some itching.

1:30 - It is go time, I am quite high and having some anxiety, nothing too crazy though. Definitely hot and itchy now, this is a quite stimulating opiate, very clear-headed too.

2:00 - Okay this is getting a little too strong, feeling a little woozy and dizzy. The body high is great, but my head feels pretty spun.

2:15 - Too high. Went to go take a breather outside and realized I was going to throw up (for some reason I ran back inside the house and threw up in the bathroom). I took off all my clothes and was dripping sweat, puked, then I was all good.

2:30 - Still pretty high but feeling WAY better, it was typical opiate stuff. Just feel a little sick from the vomiting that's it.

4:00 - Effects are generally the same, starting to slowly decline.

5:00 - Finally the effects are going away. I feel sort of strung out, but hey, I took too much so I can't say much. Feeling quite sedated now. I could nod out and fall asleep if I close my eyes.

8:00 - Just feeling the after effects.

12:00 - Taking some Etizolam and going to bed.

The effects lasted VERY long. I would say similar to Methadone?

This is a great chemical. With no human research besides us guinea pigs, you have to wonder what receptors this stuff binds to and what it is actually doing.

Just read up on it more though and apart from a few nice reports it sounds like a total waste of time