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Methylphenidate stopped working

Diapsiquir

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So 1 year ago I used methylphenidate for the first time. It used to make me super horny and I had a really good dopamine-intoxication, but now it´s hardly working for me. I had a break for several months (!), during this time I didn´t take ANY drug that works as a DRI and did a lot of sports (which btw is really useful with stimulants because I never get a weird feeling in my chest no matter how much I took), but it´s still nowhere the level I used to get. I mean I still get a dopamine-intoxication, but it´s very weak, makes me hardly horny and is very short-lived.
I know the first times using a drug gives one the best effects, but why are the effects so weak although I had such a long break?
3-MMC (which is a releaser I know) is working just fine for me.
 
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edit: thank you for removing that vulgar post
 
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(answering the thread topic)

It's tolerance, combined with loss of novelty from taking the drug in the same setting repeatedly. Usually, stimulants have a short "honeymoon" period where people get really great effects from them, but it doesn't last more than about a month beofre the drugs lose their "magic" and are just stimulants.

There is very little you can do to bring the magic back and make it feel like the first time again. This is why people get addicted to "chasing the rush".
 
I abused Ritalin hard when I was younger, 15yrs later, to this day, when I take it, I get a 4-6 hr "crash high" feeling, burnt out the ;positives of it
 
IME years of abstinance may bring back the magic. When I was a kid (10 years old) They gave me Methylphenidate at school which completely destroyed my childhood this stuff is brain fuck for kids even for adult. I stopped at 13 and started again at 18 because I had difficulty at school. I had pretty good effect at first and then I felt in a paranoid psychosis. This stuff cause Anhedonia (not being able to feel pleasure). You better stop before its too late.
 
^ no wonder NOTHING in life interests me except opposite sex, and drugs, and my children, and sadly my children are last on the list, I believe stimulants fucked up my brain to that matter
 
Thanks for the answers.
Well, then it seems that I have to spot using Methylphenidate as a tool for great fapping-sessions lol....
 
What dosage were you taking MP ? Seems like you destroyed your dopaminergic neurons, after that you can have Essential Tremor and then Parkinsonism.

That is why i recommend that every person who use stimulants, must have to use alot of B vitamines and also high Phenylalanine which is essential (means that you have got to take outside) and Tryptophan in their diet. Egg, milk, yoghurt,and cheese have lots of them. I tried them as comedown it is also helpful. Also for neuroprotection piracetam, modafinil and other NMDA antagonist (Mg and Ketamine) will help to protect neurotoxicity of these drug that will casue in long term usage. Dopamin relasing agents, increased dopamine in your synapses that will breakdown to superoxides by MAO. I feel like if you if you feed your brain with aminoacids that is been depleted than it will recover, or at least will stay at the same level.

Feed your brain...
 
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What dosage were you taking MP ? Seem like you destroyed your dopaminergic neurons, after that you can have Essential Tremor and then Parkinsonism.

That is why i recommend that every person who use stimulants, must have to use alot of B vitamines and also high Phenylalanine and Tryptophan in their diet. Egg, yoghurt, milk and cheese have lots of them. Also for neuroprotection piracetam, modafinil and other NMDA antagonist (Mg and Ketamine) will help to protect neurotoxicity of these drug that will casue in long term usage. Dopamin relasing agents, increased dopamine in your synapses that will breakdown to superoxides by MAO. I feel like if you if you feed your brain with aminoacids that is been depleted than it will recover, or will stay at the same level.

I think you might be overreacting. He seems to be doing fine others exept for the part where methylphenidate just doesn't produce the same awesome effects. I've found this to be true with most drugs I've used extensivly. I had a 8 month break from Amphetamines, but did use methylphenidate; I dropped a bomb of crystal after I got back and I have the craziest euphoria I havent had in a long time. The thing is I wasnt enjoying myself at the party, and was getting into a really solumn mood when someone was nice enough to give it to me; and my first tought was this is going to be AWESOME, not my night is saved.

Even the last time I used amphetamines before leaving for another city I still had a good time.. but now it just sucks. I have no knowledge of this but I think that drugs as a foreign invader the body will be able to counter it more and more efficiently. A swell as psychological factors such as anticipation, previous bad experiences all strenghten neural pathways to those experiences and mindset. If you arent really looking forward to an experience and just do it because you expect it to get your in king kong form it usually does not happend without some effort on your own behalf. Thats my two cents on the matter.

To me using stims now is a kind of a russian roulette, sometimes is awesome, sometimes it just falls flat on its ass.

But probs on the supplementation tips! I will def stock up on those. We all want to minimize damage here.

Another thing, 20-40 mg of methylphenidate hasn't been proven to cause dopamine degredation and neuron death right? I certainly hope so as its my only hope for a responsible life.
 
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No not 20-40 mg methylphenidate is not neurotoxic, at least not for everyone. This person may have a less tolarance to superoxides. Some people you can see with white hair at their twenties and some are fifties. So he or she must have less tolerance to it, also diet may be important and using antioxidants will be good idea.

Here is an article about MPH DA toxicity but pay attention to the dosage. It is chronic usage 1 mg/kg in fact it is like 70 mg for an 70 kg adult had neurotoxicity. But the other 10 mg/kg an acute dosage also cause Neurotoxicity. So be careful with your diet, and took B vitamins and piraceratam, modafinil , Mg and antioxidants.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0033693

Background

Methylphenidate (MPH) is a psychostimulant that exerts its pharmacological effects via preferential blockade of the dopamine transporter (DAT) and the norepinephrine transporter (NET), resulting in increased monoamine levels in the synapse. Clinically, methylphenidate is prescribed for the symptomatic treatment of ADHD and narcolepsy; although lately, there has been an increased incidence of its use in individuals not meeting the criteria for these disorders. MPH has also been misused as a “cognitive enhancer” and as an alternative to other psychostimulants. Here, we investigate whether chronic or acute administration of MPH in mice at either 1 mg/kg or 10 mg/kg, affects cell number and gene expression in the basal ganglia.
Methodology/Principal Findings

Through the use of stereological counting methods, we observed a significant reduction (~20%) in dopamine neuron numbers in the substantia nigra pars compacta (SNpc) following chronic administration of 10 mg/kg MPH. This dosage of MPH also induced a significant increase in the number of activated microglia in the SNpc. Additionally, exposure to either 1 mg/kg or 10 mg/kg MPH increased the sensitivity of SNpc dopaminergic neurons to the parkinsonian agent 1-methyl-4-phenyl-1,2,3,6-tetrahydropyri​dine(MPTP). Unbiased gene screening employing Affymetrix GeneChip® HT MG-430 PM revealed changes in 115 and 54 genes in the substantia nigra (SN) of mice exposed to 1 mg/kg and 10 mg/kg MPH doses, respectively. Decreases in the mRNA levels of gdnf, dat1, vmat2, and th in the substantia nigra (SN) were observed with both acute and chronic dosing of 10 mg/kg MPH. We also found an increase in mRNA levels of the pro-inflammatory genes il-6 and tnf-α in the striatum, although these were seen only at an acute dose of 10 mg/kg and not following chronic dosing.
Conclusion

Collectively, our results suggest that chronic MPH usage in mice at doses spanning the therapeutic range in humans, especially at prolonged higher doses, has long-term neurodegenerative consequences.
 
Unfortunately, stims are unique in a way that the initial effects are a one-time deal. When I was first reading about adderall/ritalin, I saw the term "perma-tolerance" many times. I thought this wouldn't apply to me... but its true.

On the other hand... if you use Opiates, you can almost feel the first rush you've experienced off them if you give them a long enough break. Weed can also hit you hard as fuck if you don't smoke it for a week or two...
If you take a break off ritalin, it is more effective, but just not comparable to weed or opiates.

I don't know the actual reasoning however, and I don't think you need to read up on lengthy articles for an explanation. You'll have to try real hard not to chase that dragon anymore.


No this stament is totally wrong. That permanent tolerance you mentioned is about wrong using the stimulants, because of ignoring the neurotransmitter biochemistry and not taking care of essential aminoacids diet, not enough taking vitamins make their dopaminergic neurons destroyed. So they become depressed, not to will anything, etc...

For example read the book PIHKAL of Shulgin. He uses alot stimulants from phenyetilamine family, he uses each subtance he created one week or two weeks interval, but built no tolerance at all, no parkinsonism and no sign of neurotoxicity. Because he was caring about his neuron health, and knows what he was doing.

Stimulants are somewhat pushing you out of your physological limits, as a mind doping, you must also feed your brain otherwise your brain become tired and begin to destroy itself in simple terms.

Downers are putting you a lower side, so you don't have to be careful about yourself.
 
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