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2012-2013 Football Thread v.2

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Haven't seen Ozil play so I can't say, seems like he's worth the 42.5m though..

Bale on the other hand...
hahah fuck what a joke, I would never have expected anyone to buy him for more than 40m, what the fuck has Bale even done? apart from getting a hat-trick against an Inter side who were all over the place tactically and mentally at the time and way off form. This is a sort of transfer I'd expect to see in FM, not in reality. Perez is fucking crazy
 
20 quid says ozil gets at least ten more goals and assists than willian

Wel thats a given seeing as the bloke will be playing everygame whilst William will be part of a rotation with Mata,Debryune,Oscar, Van Ginkel, Hazard and Lampard :)

Also noticed that Ozil does tend to go missing , I thought I was the only one.
Mourinho regularly subbed him at Madrid in most games. A luxury he wont have at Arsenal.
I have no doubt he is a great player on his day But its the fee im questioning & it screams panic buy.
They will make a fuckton on t shirt sales though and probably those fake eyeballs as well

Thats the bottom line for Arsenal, notice how every fan who loves this signing seems to have forgotten that Wenger said he had £70 million to spend, therefore he has placated the fans for a bit and saved £27.5 M


Edit- His dad's eyes are way creepier :)

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BTW the reason Lugano hasnt played is cos he played the Confed Cup in the summer.
Same way Mata has gotten a bit of time off after 24 months of non stop football
 
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Rooneys going to have a nice scar, he can thank Phil Jones for that one, cant say he will be too impressed.

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Loved this quote :)

After seeing a picture of Wayne Rooneys head injury on FaceBook. The Guardian's James Richardson said 'Wayne Rooney has a nasty gash on face, and maybe not for the first time!'
 
Cracking extract from Zlatan's autobiography about Mourinho

Here is an extract from Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s autobiography.

“He didn’t just talk the talk, though. When he came to Chelsea, it hadn’t won a Premier League title in 50 years. With Mourinho, they won two seasons in a row. Now he was headed our way and I was expecting harsh commands from the start. Already during the European Championships I was told that Mourinho was going to phone me, and I thought: “Has something happened?” He just wanted to chat. To say, “It’ll be nice to work together, looking forward to meeting you”; nothing remarkable, not then, but he was speaking in Italian. Mourinho had never coached an Italian club. But he spoke the language better than me.

He’d learnt the language in no time at all – in three weeks, people said – and I couldn’t keep up. We switched to English, and already then I could sense it: this guy cares. The questions he asks are different, somehow, and after the match against Spain I got a text. I get a ton of texts all the time. But this one was from Mourinho. “Well played,” he wrote, and then gave me some advice, and I promise you, I stopped in my tracks. I’d never had that before. A text message from the coach! I mean, I’d been playing with the Swedish squad, which was nothing to do with him. Still, he got involved, and I replied and got more messages. It was like, “Wow! Mourinho’s checking me out!” I felt appreciated. Maybe that guy wasn’t so tough and harsh after all.

I understood he was sending those texts for a reason. It was like a pep talk. He wanted my loyalty. I liked him straight away. We clicked. We understood each other, and I realised right away: this guy works hard. He works twice as hard as all the rest. Lives and breathes football 24/7 and does his analyses. I’ve never met a manager with that kind of knowledge about the opposing sides. It’s not just the usual stuff – look, they play like this or like that, they’ve got this or that tactic, you’ve got to look out for him. It was everything, every little detail, right down to the third-choice goalkeeper’s shoe size. It was everything. We all sensed it immediately: this guy knows his stuff.
It was a while before I met him. This was during the European Championships and then the summer closed season, and I don’t really know what I was expecting. I’d seen loads of photos of him. He’s elegant, he’s confident, but, well, I was surprised. He was a short man and he looked small next to the players.

I sensed it immediately: there was this vibe around him. He got people to toe the line and he went up to guys who thought they were untouchable and let them have it. He stood there, only coming up to their shoulder, and didn’t try to suck up to them, not for a second. He got straight to the point, and he was absolutely cold: From now on, you do it like this and like this. Can you imagine? And everybody started to listen. They strained to take in every shade of meaning in what he was saying. Not that they were frightened of him. He was no Capello, like I said. He created personal ties with the players with his text messages and his e-mails and his involvement and his knowledge of all our situations with wives and children, and he didn’t shout. People listened anyway, and everybody realised early on: this guy does his homework.

He worked hard to get us ready. He built us up before matches. It was like theatre, a psychological game. He might show videos where we’d played badly and say: “Look at this. So miserable! Hopeless! Those guys can’t even be you. They must be your brothers, your inferior selves.” And we nodded, we agreed.

“I don’t want to see you like that today,” he would continue. No way, we thought, no chance. “Go out there like hungry lions, like warriors,” he added. “In the first battle you’ll be like this –” He pounded his fist against his open hand. “And in the second battle –” He gave the flip-chart a kick and sent it flying across the room. The adrenalin pumped inside us and we went out like rabid animals. There were things like that all the time, unexpected things that got us going, and I felt increasingly that this guy gives everything for the team, so I want to give everything for him.

It wasn’t all just pep talks, though. That guy could take you down with a few words. He’d come into the changing room and say in an icy-cold voice: “You’ve done zero today, Zlatan, zero. You haven’t achieved a damn thing.”

I didn’t defend myself, not because I was a coward or had excessive respect for him, but because I knew he was right. It didn’t mean s*** to Mourinho what you’d done yesterday or the day before. Today was what counted. It was right now: “Go out and play football.”

I remember one match against Atalanta. The following day I was supposed to receive the award for Best Foreign Player and the Best Player Overall in Serie A, but we were down 2-0 at half-time and I’d been pretty invisible, and Mourinho came up to me in the changing room. “You’re gonna get an award tomorrow, eh?” “Huh? Yeah.” “Do you know what you’re going to do when you get that award?” “Er, what?” “You’re going to be ashamed. You’re going to blush. You’re going to know that you haven’t won s***. People can’t get awards when they play so terribly. You’re going to give that award to your mum, or somebody who deserves it more,” he said, and I thought: “I’ll show him, he’ll see I deserve that honour.”

He pumped me up and cut me down. He was a master at manipulating the team. There was just one thing that really bothered me: his facial expression when we played. No matter what I did, or what goals I scored, he looked just as ice-cold. There was never any hint of a smile, no gestures, nothing at all. It was as if nothing had happened, sort of like there was a motionless game in midfield, and I was more awesome than ever then. I was doing totally amazing things, but Mourinho had a face like a wet weekend.
One time we were playing Bologna and, in the 24th minute, Adriano, the Brazilian, was dribbling along the left side and made it down towards the goal line.

He put in a cross, a hard shot that came too low to head and too high to catch on the volley, and I was crowded out in the penalty area. I took a step forward and back-heeled it. It looked like a karate kick, just bam! Straight into the net. It was absolutely insane. That was later voted Goal of the Year, and the spectators went nuts, people stood up and screamed and applauded, even Moratti in the VIP section. But Mourinho, what did he do? He stood there in his suit with his hands by his sides, completely stony-faced.
“What the hell is it with that man?”

I thought. If he doesn’t react to a thing like that, what does get him going?
I talked it over with Rui Faria. Rui is Portuguese as well. He’s the fitness coach and Mourinho’s right-hand man. The two of them have followed one another from club to club and know each other inside and out.

“Explain one thing to me,” I said to him. “I’ve scored goals this season that I don’t even know how they happened. I can’t believe Mourinho has seen anything like them.
And yet he just stands there like a statue.”

“Take it easy, fella,” said Rui. “That’s how he is. He doesn’t react like the rest of us.”

“Maybe not,” I thought. Even so… then I’m bloody well going to make sure I liven him up, even if I have to achieve a miracle. One way or another, I was going to make that man cheer.”

The words above said are purely taken from Zlatan’s autobiography.
 
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I love Zlatan, such an amazing player, he's up there with Ronaldo and Messi, top striker, great skill, deadly.

I'd like to have a Jose Mourinho/Vladimir Putin presidential ticket for a united Europe, would definately vote for that, no nonsense attitude, would clean up this mess in no time.
 
After seeing a picture of Wayne Rooneys head injury on FaceBook. The Guardian's James Richardson said 'Wayne Rooney has a nasty gash on face, and maybe not for the first time!'

Brilliant!!


I laughed.
All the Jose parodies from that Irish bloke are funny

Good one from years ago, Roy Keane interviews Roy Keane.. The guy used to rip the piss out of Keane every morning for years.

 
The Liberal Media said:
Ozil is no way as good as Erikson, maybe you didnt watch the way he starred for Ajax last year

Ozil completed more key passes for madrid than iniesta, fabregas, and sergio busquets combined. The guy has made ronaldo look good for the past few years. You're talking about a proven player at a world-class club, compared to a talented player who's yet to prove himself on the big stage. If Eriksen was as good as you say, then he would have commanded a higher transfer fee, moved on earlier in the window, and to a much better club. I don't think you quite know what you're talking about, and something tells me you haven't seen either one of them play (other than the youtube highlights).
 
I think everyone was just overlooking the erikson comment because it was so daft...
 
Charity match between Celtic and Stylian Petrov XI.

That kid from One Direction was playing, tomlinson. Got snapped by Agbonlahor lol spewed everywhere. Raised a fair amount for petrovs charity though

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You guys do realise the reason Eriksen was so cheap is he was in the last year of his contract

Thats also why boateng went to Schalke for 15 million and Serbian at Fiorentina whose name I forget went to roma for 11 million euros

Forgetting that fact you ignored this lets compare ozil and christian

You talk about "key passes" which must be a fancy word for assists. It takes 2 people to make an assist ie someone else has to actually score and Real probably have better Strikers I am betting ( Or at least I must be from watching all my football on youtube)
Lets compare them both
ozil was 21 when he moved for a fee of 15 million euros to real
eriksen is 21 and moved for a fee of 13.5 million euros

Ozils assists at age 20 at Werder = 20 assists
eriksen age 20 = 24 Assists last season

But wait you guys say ?? Ozil is more productive at higher level competition

Ozil had LESS assists than Eriksen in last years champions league despite Eriksen playing 4 less games !!
Nobody in Europe had more assists than Eriksen than Ibrahimovic and Gotze
Eriksen played less games than both, and in the case of Goetze (who played every game apart from the final) Eriksen had more assists than every other player in the CL despite playing just the 6 group games .

But I guess this must mean that Ajax had better strikers when it came to "higher" level football like the CL than Real Madrid did? in converting their " key passes"

Stick that up yer youtube :)
 
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You guys do realise the reason Eriksen was so cheap is he was in the last year of his contract

Thats also why boateng went to Schalke for 15 million and Serbian at Fiorentina whose name I forget went to roma for 11 million euros

So were samir nasri and robin van persie. Each went for 20+ million, without factoring in inflation.

You talk about "key passes" which must be a fancy word for assists.

It's not. Key passes include assists and any pass which was crucial in creating a chance.

Lets compare them both
ozil was 21 when he moved for a fee of 15 million euros to real
eriksen is 21 and moved for a fee of 13.5 million euros

...to tottenham :\

Ozils assists at age 20 at Werder = 20 assists
eriksen age 20 = 24 Assists last season

Why are we comparing them both at ages 20? You said "eriksen is better than ozil", implying that he's better now. Nobody knows what the future holds. Keep in mind that eriksen is playing in an inferior league. You're also forgetting to mention that Ozil played a key part in bremen's campaign, most notably scoring the winning goal at the DFP Pokal final. Not to mention taking them to a UEFA cup final, and earning a man of the match performance during a win over england in the U-21 world cup final. This allowed him to rightfully earn his place in the german national team, where he excelled and has better stats goal/assist stats than iniesta.

If you wanna talk about stats, Ozil has the best out of any playmaker in europe. Here are the ones that matter:

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If you're scoring goals and creating chances in the eredivisie, fine, great, you can be called a talent. And eriksen, is undoubtedly one. But calling him better than ozil, even when they where both at the same age, is both subjectively and statistically wrong. Eriksen has a chance to shine at a "big" club now, let him get anywhere near ozil's stats in the next few years and then you can start comparing the two. Until then, he remains a talent.

Mou said:
‘There is no copy of him – not even a bad one. He is the best number 10 in the world. He makes things very easy for me and for his team-mates with his football vision and the decisions he makes.

‘Everyone loves him and sees a bit of Luis Figo and Zinedine Zidane in him.

I have to agree.
 
That quote doesnt surprise me

Mourinho's a master at flattering his players, Lampard has revealed when Mourinho arrived he told him words to the effect that he was the best player hs position in the world / truly world class etc etc

Just words but it got the best out of him . He will be saying it about Mata/Oscar/Hazard as well.
When he leaves a lot of his creative players tend to go into decline
Where is Sneidjer now after Mourinho left him? Where is Joe Cole? Both of their careers went into decline.

People called Sneidjer world class & I always said he wasnt and I got a tonne of grief on it on this very forum I recall, in truth Mou just made him look better, not saying that will happen to Ozil but its a possibility
I dont think Nasri is a fair comparision he was part of an unprecedented spending spree where every club could see Citeh coming due to the new influx of cash. RVP I fee was at that time way too much to pay . Kind of like when Batistuta cost £18 million as a 30 odd year old.
Also nothing wrong with Spurs( well not much ) but they can now be classed as a "leading" club, with the Bale money they could afford to spend heavy .They would certainly have been able to pay more wages than Dortmund to whom Eriksen was also linked.

Even a mid placed premiership team can now attract a player that a couple of years ago would have gone to Inter/Roma etc So I dont think its a prerequisite that you have to play for a top 4 club thesedays to be considered decent
Mata/Oscar/Hazard would be someplace on these assist charts if Torres and Ba wasnt hitting every chance into row Z or out for a corner

I was hasty to say eriksen was better, its clearly not the case for many , but I think they are pretty damn close even at their current stages of their careers.
Will watch their play this season with interest
 
RVP way too much to pay? One of the world's top 3 forwards and paid in installments? Naa mate.


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Think the above is a perfect example of how fickle some people are Somebody signs for Arsenal so he is no longer as good as he was?


Eriksen is nowhere near Ozil and likely never will be. He's a good talent but not as good as even Goetze, Reus, Kroos, Gunodgan etc.
 
The Liberal Media said:
Also nothing wrong with Spurs( well not much ) but they can now be classed as a "leading" club, with the Bale money they could afford to spend heavy .They would certainly have been able to pay more wages than Dortmund to whom Eriksen was also linked.

Perhaps. That's yet to be seen also. I don't quite like who they've signed. Eriksen has definitely been AVB's best signing for spurs. It seems to me like they've thrown together a bunch of sub-top players in hopes that they'll do well. Part of the reason why I see ozil doing great is that the prospect of linking up with wilshere, rosicky, cazorla, and ramsey in midfield is mouthwatering. The combination of paulinho, dembele, eriksen, and holtby doesn't seem as enticing. Add to that the fact that I already see AVB repeating his chelsea mistakes at spurs. He's incapable of delivering success while slowly integrating new players. I don't really know why a team, that would have won the premier league last season had games been 80 minutes long, need to tinker so much with their squad. If you have premier league experience within your team, preserve that, and add 2-3 players that will make the difference.

I've honestly said this right after liverpool's first match - that I expect them to do well this season, and finish above spurs. Brenden's worked decently in the market. He's cleaned up dalglish's mess by getting rid of some fringe players. He's brought in players that match his footballing philosophy and they way he wants the team to play. They're playing an incisive possession based game and they've got the players to do it. With coutinho, gerrard, and lucas, supplying suarez and sturridge, I don't see why they won't finish between 4th and 6th. Still though, I have some doubts over their most recent acquisitions.

Mata and hazard are on the chart. 5th and 10th respectively.

Midfield comparison:

Arsenal:

----Ramsey/Arteta --- Wilshere/Ramsey-----

Walcott---Ozil/Cazorla/Rosicky---Ox/Podolski

Spurs:

-------Paulinho/Sandro --- Dembele----------

Lennon/Lamela---Holtby/sigurdsson---Chadli

City:

Toure --- Fernandinho/Rodwell/Garcia

Silva/Milner --- Silva/Aguero --- Nasri

Liverpool:

Lucas/Allen --- Gerrard

---------Coutinho------

Chelsea:

Essien/Luiz --- Ramirez

Mata --- Oscar --- Hazard

United:

------- Carrick---Cleverly/Fellaini------

Giggs/Nani---Kagawa/Rooney---Young

I'd go for chelsea and arsenal having the two best midfields, followed by city, then liverpool.

StrutterGear said:
Eriksen is nowhere near Ozil and likely never will be. He's a good talent but not as good as even Goetze, Reus, Kroos, Gunodgan etc.

True, hence why he's established himself ahead of gotze on the national team. I don't think you can compare ozil to gundogan though. He's a sitting midfielder who's priority is defense, and linking up play to the more creative players who can make something happen in the final 3rd. Outstanding in last years champions league.
 
I'm talking in potential to be world class. Kroos plays cm not #10 aswell but I think is at present I and in the future better than Eriksen


Goetze played LM alot for borussia and so does Reus but same applies.
 
Think I may have confused you, I was comparing Eriksen to all of the above not ozil. Ozil is better than all of them IMO.
 
I see a load of England fans have been hospitalized ahead of tomorrows game against Ukraine, whats wrong with half of these "hard men" turn up a good 30 of them and stab/beat up a load of old blokes sitting in a coffee shop, yeah proper hooligans, then run off into the night. Armed with knives etc aswel, nice.

England fans fault, no doubt.
 
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