MDMA + Weed + Hallucinations

[Steven325]

I always get insane hallucinations on mdma + weed. They always start around ~400mg dosage, after rolling for about 6 hours. If I then take 1 more dosage and smoke a joint I can hallucinate for hours and hours, I usually 'trip' for 14 hours total. It starts with 'mindfucks' things think you see, then you look properly and it's gone. However I found a 'method' if you look at things in a different way everything morphs, shines, collapses, explodes, implodes etc. I've seen the world collapse and rebuilt in a matter of seconds, I've seen girls changing into angels, multiplying themselves and drifting away (they were standing still).

I have these hallucinations since the first time I tried mdma, and managed to 'perfect' my vision around the 6th time.

The things I have seen are too beautiful, I can't even describe what happens to the world around me, it's like a whole new dimension I get shot into. Often when I wake up I never realized what the room I was in actually looked like cause it was all so different. I have done lower dosages of mdma but I never found it interesting and the effects wear off too fast for me to enjoy the night.

Now I always tried to share this with people i'm with but nobody of the 50+ people I rolled with ever experienced this except 1 person. I think it comes from mdma metabolizing to mda after using a lot, altough I've never heard of others hallucinating like I do, even if they took the same dosage. I take my dosages with not much time inbetween, so once I'm done taking I have no more 'ups and downs' and just go as a spaceshuttle on full speed the rest of the night (no matter the drug or tolerance, effects always wear off really fast with me so I take more than usual with most stuff)

Would it work if I got some MDA, and we start off the night with regular mdma then take some mda and smoke weed with it? Before people say it wasn't mdma - it was. All were first batches pills (speakers, defqons etc.), tested in the lab, and I took them together with tons of other people.

I also notice the effect on my body, it's really intense the days after, I'm basically completely screwed. I notice I am in a much better state if I didn't smoke weed during mdma, but the effects are also a lot less intense. I stopped doing this a year ago or so, now an event is coming up and it's the last time I can show my friends what world I mean. I don't want to push anyone to take the amount I do since I know it's really bad and a lot might get uncomfortable, so I was thinking of getting some mda to help bring up these hallucinations. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks in advance.

TL;DR: My friends want to hallucinate on mdma but I'm wondering if adding mda is actually worth it (I don't want to roll on mda alone) or whether we should just dose a lot of mdma and hope everyone hallucinates with me

 

[coelophysis]

Weed + MDMA usually will give me some minor hallucinations. And depending on the dosage and how long I am up for, the visuals can increase quite a bit.
If you throw MDA into the mix I'd say that you're definitely bound to get some visuals.

 

[patra]

I've had major hallucinations with MDMA + hash.. some amazing, some terrible.

MDA is way more visual, I've experienced hallucinations on just that alone.

 

[Clocktower]

I have done lower dosages of mdma but I never found it interesting and the effects wear off too fast for me to enjoy the night.

TL;DR: My friends want to hallucinate on mdma but I'm wondering if adding mda is actually worth it (I don't want to roll on mda alone) or whether we should just dose a lot of mdma and hope everyone hallucinates with me

Honestly man, if standard doses of MDMA aren't fun for you and visual hallucinations are your end goal, why even bother with MDMA or MDA at all? There are dozens of other drugs that produce VERY powerful visuals and are MUCH less taxing on the body than a heroic dose of MDMA.

IMHO, the side effects of a 400mg + dose of MDMA or MDA are going to make that experience NOT fun for most people.

 

[Flailing_Gypsy]

Smoking weed while I'm high on M will sometimes give me really mild hallucinations, but nothing like you're describing, usually just enhances the usual mild MDMA visuals. You're lucky! When you hallucinate, are you seeing things that are literally not there, or are you seeing things that are there, but they're just morphing?

I have a difficult time believing it's the weed smoking that makes you feel shitty afterwards, but who knows. MDA is very hallucinogenic all on it's own, I would just take the MDA on it's own or smoke weed once you peak. In my experience the hallucinations I get from MDA and sometimes MDMA are totally different from that of psychedelics. On MDA, I see short flashes of shit that just isn't there lol, like my bedroom not having a roof and seeing stars and little cars drive past my ceiling, out of the corner of my eye. Hard to explain.

If you want real hallucinations that you don't have to work so hard for, and feel shitty for days after as you describe, you might be more interested in experimenting with psychedelics, if you haven't already. Very different from MDMA/MDA but incredible in their own way.

 

[BlueBull]

I experience the exact same thing you do. I too get insane visuals on MDMA when i combine it with weed, but it's only on the comedown that they start. I've had the leaves of trees form tiny hands and waving at me, monster faces on people all around me, facial tattoos on everyone around me that are being drawn as I look at them, people disappearing and reappearing, circles of light that emanate from within me and expand outwards causing a wave of light to roll over the people around me, gnomes that run around in the grass and run away when I try to catch them (got some weird looks for that one), talking to someone for 5 minutes before realizing that they aren't there (weird looks again), talking to someone and than realizing it's not the person I thought I was talking too (more weird looks), indeed girls that turn into angels I've had that one too (they were quite happy when I said they looked like angels. This hallucination got me a phone number ), lasers that seem to draw images in the air (I know those lasers really exist, it were normal straight lasers), everything being drawn in pencil (more like the contours of everything I saw was accentuated in pencil, like the game borderlands). I even have auditory hallucinations where the sound of people talking around me sounds like a jumbo jet taking off, hearing water dripping somewhere, hearing my friends saying things while they're not talking. This almost always ends with a state of confusion where I don't understand what people are saying to me and I don't make any sense to them, this usually lasts about half an hour to an hour and then my hallucinations end together with the confusion.

I'm sure that if someone without any hallucinogenic experience had these visuals (as strong as I experience them, they are on par with a medium to heavy dose of acid) they would freak out immensely, I think it would cause the person to be shocked to his core and even traumatized, it is not something you expect while on MDMA (for me it is but I've had it for about 2 years now). I was lucky I recognized that I was hallucinating from the drug and not overheating or something so I started to enjoy myself about 5 minutes after they started (first 5 minutes was absolute panic. Am I overheating? Am I OD'ing? Am I hallucinating because of dehydration?)

Mind you this only happens after large doses but since it seems that I need large doses to feel the full effect of MDMA I almost always hallucinate, if and only if I combine that with a lot of weed on the comedown, otherwise I do not hallucinate. My friends are very jealous of this Weird thing is that they happened for the first time when I overdid it and very stupidly consumed about 800mg in one night. After this first time I've been hallucinating every time, it's like a switch has been flipped that night...

 

[jansey]

It's like going to a magic land where you can move and play with the trippy images......Watching clothes pegs on a line turn into YouTube vids that I could start and stop at will, totally wicked. Watching a movie on a Plasma screen thats not there or seeing intricate stunningly beautiful masks on girls, that sort of pulsate electrons through their metallic crystalline fabric. When the room turns into an ancient castle and you think to yourself, wow how the fuck did I get here........

I love that space 450 mgs gets me there

Plug 150 wait for a peak then 150 orally followed by another 150 in a couple of hours gets me to trippy fairy land to play

Love it love love it

 

[BlueBull]

It's like going to a magic land where you can move and play with the trippy images......Watching clothes pegs on a line turn into YouTube vids that I could start and stop at will, totally wicked. Watching a movie on a Plasma screen thats not there or seeing intricate stunningly beautiful masks on girls, that sort of pulsate electrons through their metallic crystalline fabric. When the room turns into an ancient castle and you think to yourself, wow how the fuck did I get here........

I love that space 450 mgs gets me there

Plug 150 wait for a peak then 150 orally followed by another 150 in a couple of hours gets me to trippy fairy land to play

Love it love love it

Yeah indeed as soon as you get used to them and you are a bit hallucinogenic-minded the visuals and sounds you get from an MDMA trip are VERY VERY pleasant and fun! I just wonder what causes them. I don't believe in the theory "it's because MDMA is metabolized to MDA" because research would be available to prove that and everyone doing MDMA would have them at one point or another, which is far from the case. To my knowledge I am the only one among my friends that experiences them this intense and almost the only one that hallucinates even...

 

[augustaB]

Three weeks ago mdma + a large amount of stale hash sent me into state in which I apparently talked in tongues for half an hour and then fitted for an extended period of time. The next day I had some serious dizzy spells and feelings of nausea.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I've never gotten hallucinations from MDMA + weed, but I have had sleep deprivation hallucinations from nights of mdma finished off with a fair bit of cocaine.
Never fun, usually involved shadow people running into the street on my drive home scaring the shit out of me

 

[BlueBull]

Three weeks ago mdma + a large amount of stale hash sent me into state in which I apparently talked in tongues for half an hour and then fitted for an extended period of time. The next day I had some serious dizzy spells and feelings of nausea.

You had FITS from MDMA? That's the first time I hear someone contributing this to MDMA alone and not considering adulterants. Did you test the stuff? Anyways I would've gone to the hospital man, that's not something you should take lightly, not at all. For instance someone who OD's on PMA (if you can call that an OD) usually develops severe seizures...

*edit* A quote from the dangerous pills thread over in the regional ecstasy discussion forum, this is part of a story of a guy who's friend died from PMA pills

When I resurfaced my friend was really in a bad way. He was almost incoherent, sweating uncontrollably and pacing from one seat to another, falling over things etc. All of a sudden he started fitting, he went grey and his eyes twitched in opposite directions. He later died in hospital, something I will never forget witnessing.

Talking in tongues, fits and dizziness. See my point?

 

[dezz]

I know about those hallucinations but I don't really understand how you can like them. It's just eye candy but in a very nasty way IMO, it just feels so toxic like the brain is literally struggling to make sense of it and that's what you are seeing... Just take some psychedelics tbh this is plain unhealthy and kind of stupid.

 

[severely etarded]

MDMA, bud & hash and a klonopin gave me retrograde amnesia for abut 30 mins once lol

*where am I?
*who the fuck are these people?
*what the fuck am I doing?

Lol

 

[dezz]

Lol yeah i had those, but also accompanied with black outs where within a split second I was at the other side of the room waking up to a conversation I was having, then in a flash I blacked out and started dreaming about spaghetti and woke up actually talking to a stranger about how i liked spaghetti. He gave me the weirdest look I ever saw. Guess it's what 700 mg's can do to ya. Those black outs were fucking nasty though, it's terrifying knowing you have zero control over your actions.

 

[BlueBull]

Lol yeah i had those, but also accompanied with black outs where within a split second I was at the other side of the room waking up to a conversation I was having, then in a flash I blacked out and started dreaming about spaghetti and woke up actually talking to a stranger about how i liked spaghetti. He gave me the weirdest look I ever saw. Guess it's what 700 mg's can do to ya. Those black outs were fucking nasty though, it's terrifying knowing you have zero control over your actions.

Yeah I had that too on one occasion. That's when you really know you went too far. I took a whole pill and forgot I took it (what the fuck, I know). At the point I took the first whole one I was already rolling on half of one. And so about 20 minutes after that whole one I dropped a whole one again thinking I didn't take one 20 minutes before that. My mate, seeing this, screamed as I put my hand up to my mouth "are you crazy, you just took one?!" but it was already on it's way down. They both hit me like a ton of bricks both at the same time about 30 minutes after that, I went from completely fine to completely fucked in 5 minutes. 10 minutes after that I was not making sense anymore. They were really strong pills, around the 200mg mark so that night I took about 100mg first and then an hour after that by mistake dropped about 400mg at once (when I read these numbers, I punch myself in the head again for being so stupid).

I was dancing on the dancefloor. Next thing I know, without knowing how I got there, I'm sitting on a chair in the toilet with strangers around me asking "are you alright?" and pouring water over my head to cool me down. Apparently I just ran off at some point and my mates couldn't keep up and lost me. Next thing I know I'm cooling off outside with that same group of strangers, again not knowing how I got there, I just blacked out and jumped from the chair in the toilet straight into the middle of a conversation I was having with someone. And I must've made sense in the time I blacked out because she was talking back, we were talking about the meaning of life, not even the easiest of topics. Next thing I know I'm dancing with mates again and didn't see the group of strangers anywhere anymore. And I had already explained to my mates where I had been the past hour or so but I don't remember I explained, did that while I was blacking out too. It's a really freaky feeling. You don't worry about it at that time but it really got me thinking afterwards about how irresponsible that was. Since then I always consciously look at my clock when I take a pill and think to myself "it's now <the time>, you have just taken a whole pill, remember this". Just so I don't make that mistake again. These blackouts where indeed also accompanied by short periods where I didn't even know who I was anymore or didn't recognize my mates. To me it felt like I was asleep and all of the sudden woke up in the middle of the dancefloor surrounded by strangers (who were actually my mates) not knowing how I got there or what the fuck I was doing there...

Concerning the hallucinations. I've done A LOT of hallucinogens, not to just be high or to see things that aren't there, but also to better myself through the philosofic aspect and the voyage into your on mind you can make with some of them and still I find the hallucinations on MDMA to be very enjoyable, to me they are awe-inspiring. Besides I always get them after I smoke weed heavily on the comedown. The more mg's I did that night the more intense they are but I always get them so I guess I kinda learned to accept them and enjoy them. They do not feel toxic to me (like for example 2C-B, I find that stuff to feel like there is something very unhealthy or toxic as you call it going on in your brain). I guess it's something that differentiates between different people

 

[dezz]

Damn dude your the first dude able to describe my experience perfectly. I had the exact same thing with the black outs. The part that really freaked me out is if you aren't there then WHO is actually talking to those strangers, running off etcetera, freaky stuff. But yeah regular dosage hallucinations are cool, but the OP is talking about taking 400 mg's+ just to experience intense visuals and that's just not a very clever trade off. One should never potentially damage their body's and mind for pretty colours IMO, there are better drugs for that purpose.

 

[BlueBull]

Damn dude your the first dude able to describe my experience perfectly. I had the exact same thing with the black outs. The part that really freaked me out is if you aren't there then WHO is actually talking to those strangers, running off etcetera, freaky stuff. But yeah regular dosage hallucinations are cool, but the OP is talking about taking 400 mg's+ just to experience intense visuals and that's just not a very clever trade off. One should never potentially damage their body's and mind for pretty colours IMO, there are better drugs for that purpose.

Yeah it's really strange. And it's interesting to see that while you are not mentally there your subconsciousness is able to perform very complicated tasks without you consciously being aware of them, it seems to me that it is some sort of fail-safe your brain has when the things it's feeling become too much, like when rolling too hard. This is all just a theory but I do not think it's healthy, though it's in some way... very very interesting. What I wonder is if the person you are during these blackouts is the same person you normally are, though rolling ofcourse you will never seem completely normal, or if it is a different person entirely? If it is "a different person" how does that person behave? I would ask my mates but they too were rolling very very hard that evening so...

You make a very valid point by the way. The goal should never be to hallucinate with MDMA, that makes you do stupid stuff, if you want that take a hallucinogenic. I experience hallucinations when I consume let's say 120mg or more in a night and smoke weed heavily on the comedown (besided some very minor tracers and increased color awareness everyone has I never hallucinate while fully rolling). In other words I hallucinate on the comedown of every roll. So for me it just comes with rolling, I do not aim to hallucinate and that should NEVER be a reason to take MDMA. Taking +400mg in a night is something I've done before, more too, but after a while you come to see that it is unhealthy and it WILL catch up with you at one time... A heavy roll now for me on a normal night is about 250mg-350mg max and if it's 350mg it will be spread out over about 6 hours. I need very high doses to feel the full effects, always have even with 0 tolerance, so even those doses are too high for someone who has a normal tolerance to the stuff and/or is inexperienced. +400mg is just stupid, that'll cause harm, everyone I roll with that have been rolling for a long time have eat least once done this and they all say the same, it is not healthy, it is usually not fun, the side-effects increase exponentially and it is not in any way how this drug should be used/treated...

 

[augustaB]

You had FITS from MDMA? That's the first time I hear someone contributing this to MDMA alone and not considering adulterants. Did you test the stuff? Anyways I would've gone to the hospital man, that's not something you should take lightly, not at all. For instance someone who OD's on PMA (if you can call that an OD) usually develops severe seizures...

*edit* A quote from the dangerous pills thread over in the regional ecstasy discussion forum, this is part of a story of a guy who's friend died from PMA pills



Talking in tongues, fits and dizziness. See my point?

Yes the stuff is reliable and tested. We have used the same stuff several times before.
The combo also included poppers, a little pseudoephedrine and a cialis pill. It's not the first time I've fitted during rolling. Although the last time was several years ago.

 

[BlueBull]

Yes the stuff is reliable and tested. We have used the same stuff several times before.
The combo also included poppers, a little pseudoephedrine and a cialis pill. It's not the first time I've fitted during rolling. Although the last time was several years ago.

Wow that's weird (sorry don't mean to be offensive here). I've never run into anyone that had fits during rolling. Well yeah one guy but he has epilepsy. I hope for your sake it's nothing serious and just how you react to certain chemicals but I would find something like that very alarming...

 

[Clocktower]

I've never run into anyone that had fits during rolling.

It happens sometimes. Always enjoy MDMA responsibly, doing so can help to avoid such things.