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Heroin Can't use anymore without getting minor WDs

Tryptamite

Tryptamite

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I came off methadone and heroin in February. I was sick for months. After I got myself back together I began to use heroin and cocaine (iv) again, very occasionally, like once a month, and no more than two days in a row.

This worked for a while. Perhaps I have been using too much lately but I have been suffering minor but significant WDs from only two days two nights of use.

What is the best way to use and avoid withdrawals?

Once a month? And for only one day? Two Days?

Once a fortnight? One day?

I don't get WDs if I use in the evening, wake up and don't use again. One night is as fas as I can push it now I think.

If I use iv on a Monday, just like 2 speedballs, can I smoke some heroin on a Saturday to come down from LSD or ecstasy? No opiates in between Monday and Saturday.

I think not using more than once occassional twice a week and never two days in a row could be the key.

I like using the pleasure of the speedball as a reward every now and then, or a little h to smoke to come down from heavy e and LSD session. I don't want a habit, and I can't be dealing with WDs because they fuck up my routine and hence my "recovery", which I'm nearly at the end of.

Opinions, tips, tricks, advice, anything appreciated?
 
how it works for me is if i get high firday night than again saterday morning i will w/d sunday. even using friday morning and friday night i will w/d a little. the best way to do it is leave a day or 2 inbetween. friday night,sunday night, tuesday night, then off for like 3-4 days. never w/d'ed at all from that method.

everyone is differnt tho
 
That sounds like a good method. There is more reward and enjoyment when you space it out like that and wait to use.
 
As has been mentioned everyone is different when it comes to withdrawals.

In my experience its the IV "binge" of h that causes the withdrawals (if I was reading everything right). If you go for 2 days or so it will give you a minor withdrawal.

Anyway, what I would recommend to avoid it is always go by the idea that the most time in between doses is always best. Especially when your talking about consecutive days, if you can go one day one, one day off, that would be always be better than any days of consecutive use.. if that makes sense.

Another recommendation would be to just smoke the h or even the whole speedball .. or any other method to avoid IV. In my experience the prolonged flood of dopamine from a fat rushy shot is what makes your body sick when it can't have that feeling.
 
Everyones body is different so nobody is going to be able to tell you the best way for you to avoid withdrawals.

But, after a long history of using, 2 days of moderate-heavy use is definitely enough time to end up with slight withdrawal symptoms.

For me, I can't use more than one day in a row, maybe 2 if it's light using, without waking up a little sick the next day. But that's me, I've been doing this crap forever.

Everyone has their own "rules". Only using once a week, once a month, whatever. The point to remember is that no matter what your "trick", eventually you're going to fuck it up and become a full on addict again. That's how this works.

So, play with fire again at your own risk.
 
If that happens it happens. I'll go with it for a bit and quit again. Although I shudder at the thoughts of another long hard WD and how much it takes out of you mentally and physically.
And the actual habit itself, everyday use ruins you financially, materialistically and spiritually.

I just can't leave the shit alone for good. It's too nice. I'm not ready.

Day on, day off sounds like a better system. But I doubt you could do more than two or three consecutive "pair days" before you'd begin to feel it on the off days.
 
Tryptamite said:
If that happens it happens. I'll go with it for a bit and quit again. Although I shudder at the thoughts of another long hard WD and how much it takes out of you mentally and physically.
And the actual habit itself, everyday use ruins you financially, materialistically and spiritually.

I just can't leave the shit alone for good. It's too nice. I'm not ready.

Day on, day off sounds like a better system. But I doubt you could do more than two or three consecutive "pair days" before you'd begin to feel it on the off days.
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Yeah, you can't just do day off day on. You'll get strung out very quickly. If you want to be safe, you really can't use more than 2-3 times a week with a couple days in between each time.

I know what you mean about having a hard time leaving the stuff alone. It's not easy.

Just be careful man, and hope that this next run isn't the one to kill you.
 
I take about 20 loperamide each day and every wednesday and thursday i do a shot of dope and i find myself running out of loperamide friday and i always start withdrawaling which i think proves that loperamide is addictive
 
Ridethecircuswheel said:
I take about 20 loperamide each day and every wednesday and thursday i do a shot of dope and i find myself running out of loperamide friday and i always start withdrawaling which i think proves that loperamide is addictive
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There's no doubt loperamide is addictive. It's already been proven. Despite it's OTC nature, it is still an opiate and can cause physical dependency. We have a bunch of threads here about people dependent on lope. It's very real.
 
I bought a gram of H and a gram of coke yesterday. I was supposed to save it for the weekend but I gave in and smoked a little H at 4pm as well as 3 speedballs with minimum H, last one before bed at midnight.

It has been just over one week since i last used before that. 2 days in a row. I had very minor WDs. Luckily I had no WDs this time, I thought I might have WDs because I was only over my slight sickness. Normally my WDs peak at day 3, but are definitely noticeable on the first day without opiates. Keeping my binges short make the WDs bearable, but I work manual labour and this effects my performance, as well as puts me in a bad place mentally. And nobody likes WDs right?!

So I have the best part of a gram of H and coke upstairs. Part of me wants to say fuck it and cook one up, but that kind of attitude has got me nowhere in the past and I am determined to tame the dragon so to speak.

I will take LSD and E at the weekend. I really want to speedball at the tail end of my trip. Like early Sunday morning. How long could I get away with one day on, one day off?
I used Tuesday, today (Wednesday) off, I would like just one speedball with minimum H tomorrow (Thursday) evening, Friday off, Saturday off, Sunday morning speedball with extra H :)

Does this sound too optimistic? I know this is not an exact science, and every body is different. Obviously one shot is better in terms of avoiding dependency over multiple shots during the day. I have the willpower to stick to this. I just want to get the most out of the weekend.

I hope this makes sense to people. Sorry if I am a little unclear.
 
I never had bad withdrawals, but I did feel kinda sickly after using h for a week straight.
But my experience is with ketamine tolerance.
I've sniffed several ounces of ketamine this year, and quit before going back to school.
I tried some not to long ago after a month break, and my tolerance was skyrocketed again after only doing a gram in a day, I was back to where I started before I quit.
I'd imagine opiates work the same way, developing a sort of permanent tolerance meaning it won't take as long of use to send you back to WD's.
Or think of people who smoked for years, and they quit for months, they won't ever get the nicotine headrush as intensely as when they first started, nor will it take as long to be smoking a half pack a day again
 
This holds true for me as well. I used heroin heavily (IV) until a little over a year ago. I quit cold turkey with excruciatingly painful and miserable withdrawals that left a mark so to say ( so I know pretty well what the full extent of my personal w/Ds feel like)

However more recently I've begun dabbing with my use again and over the past 5 months I've gotten high for 1-3days 6 times. It seems to me every time I get high again my body adapts to the routine I'm keeping a little more. The first two times I used I even got nauseous because of my low tolerance. But with time I have had less extreme highs and a high propensity for w/Ds after the 2 days of use - even with the same amount of time in between (about 1 1/2 -2 weeks).

That being said keeping that amount of time In between my use has kept my withdrawals at a minimum, the worst of which is usually only cold sweats, Yawns, and RLS. But nonetheless I've noticed an increase in these symptoms. I think it's just the naturally ability of our brains and bodies to adapt to a pattern when it recognizes one, albeit a spread out one.
 
I'm going to have to be the buzz killer here. There are really not many casual opiate users, especially not iv heroin. It is an insidious mental addiction that leads to a false sense of security..."I can control it enough to not get withdrawals like before." Famous last words at the top of a slippery slope. Be careful, check out now while the grocery cart is only partially full...and just wistfully remember the good times but keep the bad times fresh in your mind.
 
manboychef said:
I'm going to have to be the buzz killer here. There are really not many casual opiate users, especially not iv heroin. It is an insidious mental addiction that leads to a false sense of security..."I can control it enough to not get withdrawals like before." Famous last words at the top of a slippery slope. Be careful, check out now while the grocery cart is only partially full...and just wistfully remember the good times but keep the bad times fresh in your mind.
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There are some...

They do lurk in the reams of your reality...
 
I will use no more than a 2 bundles and a gram-2 of coke for 2 days a week and i always get sick for 2-3 days after. fucking sucks dick. I have a long history of every day use though. Even after 60 daqys clean I experienced this phenomena though it is worse now that i am doing 2 days every week.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
Use no more than weekends... You will have withdrawals with just one day...
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Yea but you can't go all out on the weekends and expect not to pay come the weekdays...

Swain said:
I will use no more than a 2 bundles and a gram-2 of coke for 2 days a week and i always get sick for 2-3 days after. fucking sucks dick. I have a long history of every day use though. Even after 60 daqys clean I experienced this phenomena though it is worse now that i am doing 2 days every week.
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I would never mess with 2 days in a row, unless maybe if I had over a month clean. I'm not messing around at all atm, so not looking to experiment, just wanted to talk on experience. Back in the day when I was on probation I used to get tested every Friday. So I would usually cop Thursday night so I could go take my test on Friday and get high right after that. I would continue the next day (never more than a bundle over the weekend) and every week by Thursday I was sick again. It was weird that it would take that long to start the withdrawals, but such is life. It used to suck because I would drink a decent amount of water before the drug test, and my stomach would be holding in from doing diarrhea.

I remember one time when the guy came in to test me I had to leave and find another bathroom because I didn't want them hearing me diarrhea and think something was up. It sucked even more because I had to wait even long to be able to pee again, and since I knew I could get high once I pissed it made it even harder to go since I was putting myself under such pressure.
 
manboychef said:
I'm going to have to be the buzz killer here. There are really not many casual opiate users, especially not iv heroin. It is an insidious mental addiction that leads to a false sense of security..."I can control it enough to not get withdrawals like before." Famous last words at the top of a slippery slope. Be careful, check out now while the grocery cart is only partially full...and just wistfully remember the good times but keep the bad times fresh in your mind.
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I know a couple casual users who don't IV
But none who use needles, they started out casual and stayed that way for a long time but it caught up to him eventually, got clean after only 6 months of atleast 4 day a week usage.
I know there are a few causal IV heroin users, but if you through all the heroin users together it would definitely be a where's waldo situation
 
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