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First post, questions about IV

HeadChief420

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Hello bluelighters!! This is my first post but i do frequently use this site as their is so much info. So onto the question. I have recently aquired 3, 10 mg morphine in the vials. I have quite a bit of experience with opiates including hydrocodone, oxycodone, codeine, and tramadol.
I have been doing my homework and have come to realize the oral absorption of morphine SUCKS, and i dont feel like putting anything where the sun dont shine lol. Since i have a very limited supply i wanted to get the most out of it. So what would be a good starting dose for first time iv morphine? Also what would be the best syringe for a first-time iv? I'm a male that weigh 125 lbs, and the last time i took opiates was 25 mg of hydrocodone 6 days ago via cwe. Also any advice on safe-shooting would be greatly appreciated via links or just personal experience. I know this has probably been covered in the search function. But as im a newb to the site i was having trouble locating much -needed info. Also im going to do this with my best friend and since im the "educated"one he said he would like me to preform the injection for him. So also any advice on that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much guys!! And i look forward to chattin with u guys in the future, happy blazing!
 
You couldn't try an IM injection? Idk how much a miss would matter(it prob wont at all) since its sterile and pharma, but BA of IM morphine should be comparable to IV. I think it should be at least 85-90%, and up towards 100 even. Probably a little longer onset, and i wouldn't expect a serious rush, but at least you can pick where you'll have the pain. It probably won't hurt at all unless you tighten the muscle during the injection, fwiw.

Idk, if I had morphine ampules, I know I'd muscle bang them. Basically the same dose as IV, and its a simple suck, tap/push out air, stick in shoulder muscle, depress plunger slowly. Just try to stay relaxed in the shoulder when you do it; if you feel any pain/pressure during the shot, just know it won't get worse than that.

You can try IV, but you will probably fuck it up. Just saying. But at least you'd have the luxury of not having much to worry about if and when you end up missing(other pain im guessing). I've been experimenting with needles off and on for a few years, and still have trouble registering a shot&staying in the vein.


P.S. ahh you have a friend to help.. Lucky :p well sort of anyway... If you plan on shooting other drugs, street drugs, might as well learn now. If you're experimenting and that's all, my advice could go either way. Learning now will mean you can hit yourself when the situation arises: good that you aren't fucking around with learning on dirty street drugs, but bad that the situation may arise more than it actually should(like deciding on shooting coke or pills vs snorting/eating them). If you're going to learn now, at least beware that she's(probably) going to be willing and able to teach you down the road. No need to rush. Also, if you are goin to eventually turn to pills/street powders/tar heroin, you should look into investing in micron filters. Usually they can refine the solution enough to make for a miss to be safe. It at least makes it safER. I'm not certain, but you may be able to just IM most of them after micron filtering anyway. If that's the case, I don't suggest learning to IV at all. Rush is small to none, but its a common sense procedure with virtually no training required. Trade offs, I guess.
 
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Thanks man, i appreciate the reply. And just out of curiosity is it really that hard to register? I hear junkies cookin h and shooting up no problem in like 2 minutes. But it is my first time. And sorry for the newb question but is the method u described basically skin popping? And would this method be better than tryin to aim for a vein?
 
Ummm (I think?) skin popping is a term for a subcutaneous injection. This is when you shoot the subcutis/hypodermis, which is below your outer layers of skin. An IM injection goes deeper, and into the muscle. I wouldn't administer a shot subcutaneously or intramuscularly without it being from a sealed vial. Or until after it has gone through enough micron filtering to make it safe to do so.

For me, it would be easier than going for a vein. I don't think anyone could say its harder, but some people are really good with iv injections, so it may be of comparable difficulty at best.

If you want to try for an iv shot, you should get 29/30/31 gauge 1cc insulin syringes. Short tips are usually easier to use.
 
http://www.studentconsult.com/spleen/procedures/subcutaneous.cfm

That will tell you how to shoot yourself IV or SC. For some reason IV isn't on there, but I can pull up one for that too if you'd like? Also, you are apparently supposed to register for an IM injection as well, but for the opposite reason as you do an IV.. You want to check you aren't in a vein. And I didn't know if it was suggested to use larger needle gauge or smaller, but here it says use a 23 or even as large as a 21 for an IM injection. Iirc, you aren't supposed to use any larger than a 27 for an IV, and smaller than 27(29, 30, etc.. This is how gauge system works. Bigger gauge# is a smaller size) is preferred by some.
 
Alright ive decided to try for the IV. I just dont like the idea of injecting in a muscle. And since its my first experience with needles i would like it to be IV you know? And is this syringe good for a first time IV, 5/16" 27 guage 1cc? I want exactness so i can write it down and get the right rig from walmarts pharmacy since ive heard they ask less questions than say cvs or walgreens.

And im still quite young so i dont plan on coppimg any heroin anytime soon. But like you said this experience would be good to know for my future escapades lol. And im also not big on stimulants i like the sedation and euphoria from opiates, nothing better than just spending a day peacefully nodding.
 
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Alright ive decided to try for the IV. I just dont like the idea of injecting in a muscle. And since its my first experience with needles i would like it to be IV you know? And is this syringe good for a first time IV, 5/16" 27 guage 1cc? I want exactness so i can write it down and get the right rig from walmarts pharmacy since ive heard they ask less questions than say cvs or walgreens.

I'm going to begin and end by saying, please don't shoot, it adds another dimension to opioid addiction, psychologically, and physically (due to the higher bioavailability it's the same as just using more by a less efficient ROA). Also, if you get used to shooting pharmaceutical injectable morphine, realize that although your activities carry little risk of infection, when you end up being stuck with nothing to shoot except pills (terrible for you because of the particles of pill filler that accumulate in capillaries in your lungs unless you use micron filters aka wheel filters, or heroin, which can be full of bacteria and nasty crap (black tar) or just nasty crap (powder heroin) and should also be run through wheel filters so you don't end up with garbage stuck in your lungs, and even then may be of a pH that is no good for your veins or other soft tissue and is going to be likely to burn through your veins as well as cause irritation or infection if you purposely or accidentally do a SC injection, do an IM injection,

That's fine to use, but I would probably just ask for a 1cc 29 gauge 1/2" or 5/16" needle. Or 1cc 31 gauge 5/16" needle. Smaller needles mean smaller tracks (or none) and smaller bruises, less damage to veins, etc. The only downside is that they clog easier (from blood in them), but if you have enough coagulated blood to clog a 27 gauge but not a 31 gauge, I think you are already basically injecting a blood clot which is not a good idea! The only advantage that I've found to using a 27 gauge is that it's even easier to see when you've hit a vein as quite a bit of blood squirts back immediately, whereas with a 29 or 31 gauge needle the amount of blood is less -- but still more than enough to let you know you're in a vein.

The higher the gauge number, the smaller the needle bore.

If you are having trouble finding an easily visible vein, run your arm under hot water sitting on the edge of the bathtub, and then swing your arm back and forth in such a way that you are driving blood down the arm, toward your hands, then throw on the tourniquet, preferably not too tight, and stick the needle in.

When you draw the morphine up, draw up a little extra air. If you do this, insert the needle at maybe at 45 degree angle, when you hit a vein, a little bit of blood will shoot into the syringe even before you pull back on the plunger to "register" that you are in the vein. Then, do register by pressing the plunger back just a tiny little bit and a bit of blood will come squirting in. You should also be able to tell you're in a vein because the feeling of resistance when pushing the syringe in goes away as the needle slides into the vein. Once you know you're in, then hold your hand steady and proceed to push the plunger in. As you do this, now that you have registered the vein, you should ideally be releasing the tourniquet. (E.g., if you have a belt in your mouth, let it go once you have definitely registered in a vein and are beginning to push the shot in...sometimes, if the vein is actually relatively deep and is only able to be used because of the tourniquet, you can't do this... but your veins are untouched you shouldn't need a tourniquet beyond just sliding a needle into the vein, then you can let it out. You let the tourniquet go before you push much of the shot in because you have veins that are plumped up with a ton of blood when you put the tourniquet on there, and if you add a full 1cc syringe-full of liquid to a vein, you may just fill it to "bursting", basically the vein just sort of pops like a balloon. This is particularly likely with a small vein.)

Don't be shaky.

Remember, you have pharmaceutical morphine meant for injection (that's how I understood it) -- so, you have no reason to be nervous about "missing" the shot (i.e. missing the vein) -- so nothing to be shaky about.

Worst case scenario, you end up missing the vein and thus giving yourself a subcutaneous injection, which still beats the hell out of the bioavailability of oral morphine.

Also, if you start pushing the shot in and it burns, you're missing. Try to push the needle in/pull it out a bit and get it to re-register and the proceed to push the rest of the shot in.

Note that if you have already registered and thus gotten blood into the syringe, that blood will eventually coagulate and clog up the syringe. Therefore, if you keep on shooting into the vein and then getting a shaky hand and start missing the shot, every time you register, you are getting more blood in the syringe, and it is going to clog that much more quickly.

Eventually, you'll have to just say screw it, push the syringe in and give yourself a proper subcutaneous injection, just do it on your upper arm like by your shoulder, put the needle in relatively deep -- when you miss a vein near the surface, it makes a bubble you have to massage and run under hot water to make the morphine absorb and the bubble go away. On the other hand, if you have the needle in deep on your upper arm, there should not be a bubble.

So -- just don't get a ton of blood in the syringe and then find yourself with a clogged syringe. It's better to just give up on IV and push the remaining shot into the upper arm if its pharmaceutical morphine intended for injection, as it won't do any harm and you'll still get the high bioavailability, just not the rush.

However, I highly suggest you do not start injecting, period. It greatly increases the psychological addiction factor, and, for a given level of finances and thus a given level of available opioids, the higher bioavailability means that your physical addiction will be that much worse. (E.g., snorting a gram of heroin per day versus shooting a gram per day is a much more minor habit.)

So, don't inject. If you do inject, just push the needle all the way in on your upper arm, like when you get a flu shot. This will be a subcutaneous injection if you are using a 1/2" or 5/16" needle. It is quite safe if you are using pharmaceutical morphine meant for injection. (Dirty tar heroin, on the other hand, is likely to give you an abscess if used this way. East coast powder is safer for SC injection, but not totally.)

Doing a SC injection will not give you the instantaneous rush, but it will give you the full benefit of the morphine, and most importantly, it will not add another dimension to the pull that opioids have on you and thus lead you to become more addicted.

Good luck, and stay healthy!

PS Make sure you wash your hands, and use plenty of rubbing alcohol on the area you are going to inject in. And the advice about running the arm under hot water and swinging the arm back and forth rapidly to drive blood into it can make almost anyone who hasn't used absolutely every vein unto death able to find a vein very easily
 
Since no one else has chimed in yet, I'd be the one to say it; be careful, this a piece of your life, and you can't undo it. The rush you get from an IV shot of proper drugs can be overwhelming. I know some people whose lives have been changed by the use of drugs. IV is a new way to get high, and a new habit to start.

Try not to pull the needle out and stick it in again if you can't register the vein. It will dull the tip, and the risk of harm increases a lot for each prick. They are really designed for one use, but two single sticks probably won't hurt you if its absolutely necessary. After much more than that, you really shouldnt be using the rig. Its taken me like 5 jabs of the needle before; if your technique is right, it should take one. Have your friend to show you everything, and ask her to explain how to "fish" for the vein.

Tell me how the rush was. For me, when I would IV heroin, it was just another route to get high. Maybe for you the rush will be worth it though. Also, I hear it grows on some people too, so don't be thinking you're just like me off one single injection. Each time you do this, you increase risk for a drug habit or addiction.


P.S. I didn't read the person who posted overtop me, but I'm guessing its proper technique, based on the length. I'm not an expert on injections anyway, so I won't comment on the post. I do acknowledge and support the cleaning of hands and injection site; it should be common practice!
 
Try not to pull the needle out and stick it in again if you can't register the vein. It will dull the tip, and the risk of harm increases a lot for each prick. They are really designed for one use, but two single sticks probably won't hurt you if its absolutely necessary. After much more than that, you really shouldnt be using the rig. Its taken me like 5 jabs of the needle before; if your technique is right, it should take one. Have your friend to show you everything, and ask her to explain how to "fish" for the vein.
If you've already gone through the top layer of skin on your lower arm, which is relatively thick, like if you were aiming for an area on the side of top of your upper arm (what you see when you have your palm down on a table -- this area is nice because there are big veins that just aren't always easy to see without a tourniquet and/or a few smacks and that don't really leave marks or bruises for most people), then you can just dig around a little if you missed the vein/it rolled away when you stuck the needle in. Like, you pull the needle partially but not fully out, so you don't end up dulling the needle by pushing the needle back through the upper layer of thick skin. That's the fishing part.

On the other hand, the hairless, soft skin on the underside of your lower arm, e.g. by the crook of your elbow, there's not much point in fishing around without removing the syringe totally -- so just try again. Best bet is a nice thick vein, not necessarily one that shows up easily through your skin like a varicose vein but with no thickness to it. You want one that's nice and thick, etc., like the one near the inside of your wrist and running down your arm (the thumb side of the wrist), a tourniquet will make that pop, it's hard to miss it. Then there's the crook of your elbow which should be very easy to hit if you're like most people. Just don't use it over and over without giving it a break or it'll be gone forever. Tons of big veins you may not see without a tourniquet but once the needle is in them, and preferably "threaded" into them a bit so that removing the tourniquet won't cause the vein to deflate and the needle to fall out, they are super easy to avoid missing the shot.

IV'ing drugs is really not that hard if you do what I said.

The main problem with most beginners is that they are nervous and they shake. I'm by no means ambidextrous, but I can easily shoot with both hands, and have always been able to -- once I stopped being nervous and shaking, and when I have taken necessary measures (the warm water, slapping, etc.) to get a vein up, because veins disappear when you are nervous, the warm water and whatnot becomes necessary.
 
Yeah, most people I've met who shot drugs seem to agree with you in that its easy. Or maybe they have some trouble hitting themselves at times, but could hit me up easy(or claimed they could). I can only remember one person hitting me IV though.

I'm not sure that I couldn't hit myself, but I do know I'm not good at it after enough practice for it to be expected. If I had ampules of drugs, thats pretty much the only way I foresee a needle going in me these days, and I would probably end up missing at least some of the shot. I'd like to think I'd just as quick skip the dicking around and pop it in a muscle.
 
If you do not have the proper solution to inject I.M. do not do so without checking the ingredients in certain formulations.

If you do not have the right formulation you risk very infectious abscesses, sepsis and gangrene...

You need a micron filter with pores of .2 micrometers and smaller and bacteriostatic water for I.M.ing drugs off the street and tablets , and that is playing it close...
 
Thank you guys all for your responses, it is greatly appreciated. You guys took away the fear of the unknown and my nervousness. My friend didnt come through tonite :( so im just going to save them for the next oppurtunity. Definately will post back wen i do. Thanks again guys.
 
Hey..just wanted to mention something we had been talking about in another thread. Be very very cautious if your friend is not an experienced user. You talked about yourself having experience using opiates/opioids but you did not mention if your friend was opiate naive. If you inject your friend and something goes wrong (an overdose, allergic reaction etc ending in injury or death to your friend) you can be charged with manslaughter or murder. There have been a ton of recent cases..just google it. So please be very very careful not just for that reason but in all aspects of it.

Also, the following is a link that properly describes complete procedures on all types of injections. Try to pretty familiar with it though actually injecting the first time can be very frustrating. Good luck and be safe.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/75897-Intravenous-and-Intramuscular-Injection
 
Also im going to do this with my best friend and since im the "educated"one he said he would like me to preform the injection for him. So also any advice on that would be greatly appreciated.

Anyone who sets the first shot of morphine on someone is faaaar from a best friend.

Not saying this to be a douche, i am just thinking of your future conciousness. There is more than the accute problems that may happen, like OD(doubting that from 10mg) or missing at stake. I mean my first shot was something like 10mg morphine ++ other stuff. And i din't get addicted to opiates(wich was a very REAL possibility) but to needles in general. EVERYTHING had to go in the veins from that day, just hunting for huger/wierder/longer/intenser kicks. In the end i just called my life "The Needle Prison". Sickest part i could rember enjoing drug taking way more before i started IV'ing.

Luckily I did my first injection myself, actually very avare of not putting it on anybody elses conciousness.

So the question is: If your "BEST" friend ended up like any kind of slave to the needle. Maybe not straight away, but maybe in one or five years. Wich is statistically much more likely than you think, how would you sleep at night knowing you did the first shot?

That beeing said, you should slap your friend in the face for asking! That's a responsibilty nobody should put on their friend, and no friend should take.

There im done with the warnigs, but do you agree with me now? If you guys are going to IV first time do it, the both should do it your self on your self! Since it's first time.

Anyways good luck, and if you guys chose to shoot up, enjoy! I mean if you first are doing it, it would be stubid not to.... And take care of each other! <3 :)
 
Once you go IV. There's really no going back. I'm just gonna clarify that. But you're gonna do what you're gonna do, I know I did lol. Like everyone is saying, be really really careful and make sure everything is sterile. I think I seen 27g mentioned in your post, that's too big. I usually use 29 or 30g (30 preferably). Remover what I said; once you IV, there's really no going back.
 
Once you go IV. There's really no going back. I'm just gonna clarify that. But you're gonna do what you're gonna do, I know I did lol. Like everyone is saying, be really really careful and make sure everything is sterile. I think I seen 27g mentioned in your post, that's too big. I usually use 29 or 30g (30 preferably). Remover what I said; once you IV, there's really no going back.

Personally, I find this untrue.

I use whatever ROA I find is most conveinient at the time for best results...

I smoke, I.V., and snort all my opiates. It depends on how much I have, which opiate and how much time I have to consume it.

This is for pure morphine. I usually would dry it out and acquire the powder...

If I have all day, I’ll shoot up.

If I am in a rush, I ‘ll rail it really fast and move on...

If I have an intermediate type timeframe, I will just smoke for a minute...


I have never been fixated on needles... It depends on your will...

I prefer smoking. In this case I would have shot it up. there is very little morphine.
 
Personally, I find this untrue.

I use whatever ROA I find is most conveinient at the time for best results...

I smoke, I.V., and snort all my opiates. It depends on how much I have, which opiate and how much time I have to consume it.

This is for pure morphine. I usually would dry it out and acquire the powder...

If I have all day, I’ll shoot up.

If I am in a rush, I ‘ll rail it really fast and move on...

If I have an intermediate type timeframe, I will just smoke for a minute...


I have never been fixated on needles... It depends on your will...

I prefer smoking. In this case I would have shot it up. there is very little morphine.

Agreed that this is not the case for every single person, but it is true for many, many people..and not always just about will power. (That once you use the needle you tend to stick with that route is what I am referring to)!
 
and not always just about will power.

It most definitely is beside economic reason.

Let’s say you have an opiate with extremely high oral bioavailability: 90-100 percent .

You will reach practically the same plasma levels... and get the same height in intoxication.

Will power will come into play at this point. Favoritism of ROA is to blame here.

There is no real reason to think about injecting if the right ROA can achieve the same results just slower...


But all in all, this is morphine we are talking about, so I.V. is indeed the best route.
 
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