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1990s pills vs 2012 pills

Because it is obvious from the small about that it was accidental, trace, cross-contamination. If a pill contained 50mg of PMMA, then that is harder to pass off as accidental, the the presser in question is obviously being a cunt. The MK crew are a masive, europe-wide press who are above intentionally killing people.

I would like to know though - Where does the information come from abot the next press coming from a particular crew etc? Do the Q-dance crew have some kind of 'official representative' who announces what press is what.....
 
futura2012 said:
Does the starting precursor make a difference to the final product? Safrol, Piperonal, Isosafrol etc? My opinion is yes it does. If it didnt why do some pills smell of safrol? Clearly the smell of the safrol has been passed through all the processes and clearly the product isnt an odourless crystaline structure as it should be.
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BOOM! It took a while but here today I find myself in 100% agreement with Futura. (on this topic anyway)

Hope your keeping well.

Totally agree with this. Not all MDMA is the same. Pretty simple idea.
 
90sdance said:
id say there's probably been a big qualitative shift in the US alright. as for over here, e was better back then but the extent is overstated imo. i just missed the 90s pillwise but from what i can tell its nostalgia for the decade itself. the experience was surreal because of the context, the birth of dance/rave, a youth counterculture, e-use at hitherto unprecedented levels. it was new, and it was everyones first time, imagine the sort of naive belief you felt after you first roll amplified en-masse...they didn't have older users around to tell them the feelings they had where ''just the drugs'' ect. for a brief window people believed it was more than just drugs and music, even if they didn't admit it. not to exaggerate, but there are similarities with the 60s in terms of what happened. i don't think the pills are much better, it was just a set of circumstances that enhanced their effects. the same thing goes on now, but to a lesser extent, people starting now tend to do so in smaller groups/networks, less people are doing it and the older users have become jaded.
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as much as I agree with Futura that all MDMA is not the same,I also agree with what your saying here. The early to mid nineties where a special period for the reason you detail above.

Good post and a point well made.
 
SilentRoller said:
Because it is obvious from the small about that it was accidental, trace, cross-contamination. If a pill contained 50mg of PMMA, then that is harder to pass off as accidental, the the presser in question is obviously being a cunt. The MK crew are a masive, europe-wide press who are above intentionally killing people.

I would like to know though - Where does the information come from abot the next press coming from a particular crew etc? Do the Q-dance crew have some kind of 'official representative' who announces what press is what.....
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and what's to stop the next batch from having larger amounts of contaminants? 8)
 
what's to stop the next batch from having larger amounts of contaminants?
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Your method of answering my questions is simple, effective, but annoying as hell 8).....Of course nothing can stop the above happening, but considering this was a one-off incident from this crew (they even pumped out new 'non- PMMA' MK's after the report, hence the 2 batches of clean MK pills), I'm sure it won't happen again. Heck, the PMMA contamination could even of come from the test-centre itself, we just don't know.
 
I learned from the best ;) haha, what I'm saying though is why even risk it with such a deadly chemical when there are 10 other super presses out there that can easily match the MKs in every aspect? IMO the whole point in pills is that if one tests safe, every other pill from the same batch should be safe too... obviously best to double check, as they could release multiple batches at once, but the fact that the ingredients must be thoroughly homogenized means that there should be a high level of consistency pill to pill.


If I'm going to pay the extra money for someone to stamp a pill, I want to make sure they did it right.. if there's even ANY question, might as well just move on to the next one.
 
Good post and fair points. I suppose I too am guilty of placing my trust in the press of a pill after the first test. However, I think the Green Andoid's are also made by the MK crew, and that in my opinion is the best pill I have tried, bar none (no PMMA to boot!).
 
if something "might happen" then, logically, it also "might not happen". an argument based on only one of those conditions carries no weight.

tl;dr: just another argument for testing.

alasdair
 
Hello Bluelighters!:) I just just registered to this site a few minutes ago. I go by OGM; as in Original Gangsta Man because I do indeed remember the pills back from the 1990's. I first knew "Adam" back in the '80's. Like anything; many pills were excellent, some were not so good. However in the part of the world I live (greater New York City area) the pills became more and more inconsistent. It could be due to irregularities in the supply chain. Bad experimentation. Or just simple greed. So folks went to molly/moonrocks and far more people have testing kits now.

So it seems there are two groups now. Those that will by any untested pill/crystal/capsule. Then those that try to go for maximum purity. The folks I hang with are like the later. So...there is really good clean MDMA out there...if one deals with the right source. Usually it is not in pill form however. Everyone I know does not even buy them anymore because the tests show the vast majority of them suck.

As for "loosing the magic", I am not too sure about that. I find that with very occasional use of only a few times a year...the magic never leaves or dimishes. With a high quality product at the right dosage...it is indeed as pleasurable as the first time. Plus with occasional use; I have never experienced bad comedown or even tolerance issues. It is a drug to be used with the right people at the right time with right music.

Over the past few years I have seen some very strange things in pills that scare the hell out of me. From a biochemical standpoint I would not give these pills to my worst enemy. The problem is supply and demand. If people tested properly and refused junk...the market would be a better place. That being said; there is some very pure molly/moonrocks out there...if one ones where to look and how to test.

Be Safe Folks;)
 
OGM said:
Hello Bluelighters!:) I just just registered to this site a few minutes ago. I go by OGM; as in Original Gangsta Man because I do indeed remember the pills back from the 1990's. I first knew "Adam" back in the '80's. Like anything; many pills were excellent, some were not so good. However in the part of the world I live (greater New York City area) the pills became more and more inconsistent. It could be due to irregularities in the supply chain. Bad experimentation. Or just simple greed. So folks went to molly/moonrocks and far more people have testing kits now.

So it seems there are two groups now. Those that will by any untested pill/crystal/capsule. Then those that try to go for maximum purity. The folks I hang with are like the later. So...there is really good clean MDMA out there...if one deals with the right source. Usually it is not in pill form however. Everyone I know does not even buy them anymore because the tests show the vast majority of them suck.

As for "loosing the magic", I am not too sure about that. I find that with very occasional use of only a few times a year...the magic never leaves or dimishes. With a high quality product at the right dosage...it is indeed as pleasurable as the first time. Plus with occasional use; I have never experienced bad comedown or even tolerance issues. It is a drug to be used with the right people at the right time with right music.

Over the past few years I have seen some very strange things in pills that scare the hell out of me. From a biochemical standpoint I would not give these pills to my worst enemy. The problem is supply and demand. If people tested properly and refused junk...the market would be a better place. That being said; there is some very pure molly/moonrocks out there...if one ones where to look and how to test.

Be Safe Folks;)
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I had the same experience too although I didnt have a chance to try 80s' pill. I started to take my first E pill sold by drug dealer in 2009. I don't know how to assess its quality, but it firstly made my head shaking a bit, then I am aware it takes effect. My body is just little warmer than usual and felling very comfortable -> happy -> high gradually. The euphoria last for 3-5 hours before it came down slowly. The process is so "smooth" and I didn't sweat a lot. However, in recent years, the pill becomes something totally strange to me. I remember two years back, the last E I took gave me vomit, zero dancing mood, and just sweat a lot.

So, recently I try to learn more about MDMA, Crystal Meth, etc. Probably, the above mentioned bad pills are just much of Meth. Nowadays in my area, dealers are selling Meth, instead of E pill. I really want to know whether Crystal meth ( people use a pot to breathe in the smoke ) gives the same feeling as those good quality E pill in the past.

Appreciate if you can share your ideas
 
Newbierock said:
This whole formula thing is silly.

From what my brothers told me of his 90's raving days. Pills were definately better then. Even towards the end in his "heavy" days he was only taking 2-4 over an entire night (and even doing half pills sometimes.)

Whereas I got into it around 2005ish - and even at the start it took 2-3 to start with and up to 15 over the course of the night. (and yes, most of my pills got tested - not all but i'd say a good 80%)

But no doubt theres some top notch ones out there, it's just not as common as it used to be.
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Pretty much this. I only ever use(d) MDMA on a w/e even back then when it was piss easy to get hold of quality ones so there is that to consider, but for me a quality pill is a quality pill, never noticed having to do more than I did when I 1st started. but circa 2005 all the ones I have got hold of have just so obviously been cut to fuck. Still good crystal MDMA about mind, just have to piss about a lot/be patient to get it.

But yes, put it this way, I'd happily pay 30 quid for a nice fat mid/late 90's Love Dove or if I wanted a heavy buzz I'd want some Dollars. They were a fantastically 'heavy' buzz especially in the 1st 90 mins then I'd kinda get on top of them and be able to go make some shapes !

Absolutely no doubt at all in my mind that they were far better and that used as a w/e only thing, I had no tangible issue with tolerance. I knew one lad though who used to hammer them through the week also and yes, at his worst he would need at least 4 or 5 times the amount I would when we would go to the Orbit near Leeds, aka the best Techno club ever !
 
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I had loads of pills in the 90s (good ones and not so good ones), , stopped for a bit, then had more in the early 00s, stopped for a bit then started again recently and I can honestly say that Nintendo, MKs, androids and the like absolutely piss all over any 90s pills in terms of effects, quality and strength.

90s raves were far better so maybe people are just remembering how good the nights were rather than the drugs?

Anyway, maybe this is just proof that long term Mdma usage affects the memory! !
 
And the lack of euphoria thing - I have half a super-pill I feel euphoric, just like the old days, if I take a full one I just feel fooked. But like a few beers you feel great, too many beers you feel sick, the same principle applies

In the 90s I used to double and triple drop and, guess what, I didn't feel euphoric , just fooked!
 
I don't agree if you refer to europe or uk pills 90 to 94. MDEA and amphet were with mdma in these pills. As the precursors for MDEA are not obtainable then we won't see these any time soon.
 
Safrole was also used and now its pmk...a chemist would explain the difference in final product.
 
Folley said:
^ That's completely unfounded in reality. 18.5 TONS of safrole and 1000 kilograms of MDMA that is likely synthed from that safrole was recently seized in Europe.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...mantled-in-Belgium-the-Netherlands-and-Poland

Please don't spread false information. A chemist would explain there should be NO difference in final product as long as it has been properly cleaned.
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Oh I heard about this bust. Yea, Safrole is available and being used to make A LOT of MDMA...even in 2013. I know there is a great deal of talk about how unavailable safrole is...but remember this...it is used a great deal in various industries and is constantly being moved around the world. Though it is considered to be "controlled", one does not have to use their imagination too much to figure out how it gets to various labs.

Also even if somehow safrole was somehow unavailable; very pure MDMA can be made without it. Safrole is not essential with proper synthesis.
 
daiki said:
I had the same experience too although I didnt have a chance to try 80s' pill. I started to take my first E pill sold by drug dealer in 2009. I don't know how to assess its quality, but it firstly made my head shaking a bit, then I am aware it takes effect. My body is just little warmer than usual and felling very comfortable -> happy -> high gradually. The euphoria last for 3-5 hours before it came down slowly. The process is so "smooth" and I didn't sweat a lot.
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Wow…that is exactly like my first experience in 1985!!! It ramped up gradually. I was warm not hot. A had a great deal of empathy and euphoria. I didn’t sweat. No jaw clenching. My senses seemed to be much more acute as well; especially my hearing. Then there was a slow, gentle comedown.
However, in recent years, the pill becomes something totally strange to me. I remember two years back, the last E I took gave me vomit, zero dancing mood, and just sweat a lot.
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Yes…at least in my region of the World (New York City area) something changed. The pills switched to becoming speedy/edgy/"dirty" feeling without the empathy. I don’t remember there being test kits readily available when all of this started happening. So many of us just quit using. It wasn’t worth the risk. It was like rolling the dice.
So, recently I try to learn more about MDMA, Crystal Meth, etc. Probably, the above mentioned bad pills are just much of Meth. Nowadays in my area, dealers are selling Meth, instead of E pill. I really want to know whether Crystal meth ( people use a pot to breathe in the smoke ) gives the same feeling as those good quality E pill in the past.
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Meth/speed is cheap and readily available. I have the feeling many people that think they have been using MDMA have actually been using something else that does not even have 0.001% if MDMA in it. There is a big music festival here in NYC this weekend and I have the bad feeling that there will be a lot of really bad stuff being sold.
 
I just found this forum tonight and it kinda makes me sad to know that the good stuff seems to be almost non-existent these days. It's been about 18 years ('95) since I experienced Ecstasy but I can tell you that for 9 months, twice a week I had some of the best times of my life. I was in Austin, Tx and a half a brown speckled pill followed by another half an hour later, one shot of Jäger and some really great hip hop was the recipe for an always PERFECT night of dancing til 2am. Good times and great memories.
 
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