Disappearance of Pontifex01's posts and started threads

[knock]

I offered him jotters but he just wanted to wank over them so I'm reconsidering. Maybe he's a lost hope.

 

[Ben So Furry]

So is this to become a feature then? The ability to delete all your posts?

 

[gayorstraight]

So is this to become a feature then? The ability to delete all your posts?

It's being considered

 

[Ben So Furry]

Any word on if Ponti is ok? PM me someone.

So if you had the choice would you hit the 'Pontifex my account' button?

 

[maxalfie]

Any word on if Ponti is ok? PM me someone.

So if you had the choice would you hit the 'Pontifex my account' button?

I think the only reason I would 'Pontifex' my account would be if somehow my son found out about my account as I certainly would not want him knowing all my history that I've not told him about.

 

[Marmalade]

Any word on if Ponti is ok? PM me someone.

So if you had the choice would you hit the 'Pontifex my account' button?

Newp. Most of the forums I used to post in didn't allow you to delete even 1 post. And editing was limited to a set period of time and then no changes could be made.

I believe in being responsible/accountable for what you write. If people didn't have the delete option they would maybe think a bit more in advance about how they should respond before comitting their words to text.. We all say stupid shit sometimes, and do retarded stuff when we're wasted, so it's not like there's no forgiveness if you fuck something up here.

I particularly find it lame when a poster deletes a post to try to make themselves look better. That's especially lame.

 

[knock]

I sometimes delete posts but it's almost always within 5 seconds of posting them and realising I've completely missed the point or made exactly the same point as someone else.

Both fall under "making me look better" though

 

[Ben So Furry]

Everyone's first post should be this:

This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places and incidents either are products of the author’s imagination or are used fictitiously. Any resemblance to actual events or locales or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.

You make a good point Marmalade. I think this forum would start to resemble Swiss cheese if the delete all button was introduced. The MDPV thread would disappear overnight. I know I've been in some paranoid states where I'd hit the nuke my account button.

 

[swampdragon]

Mm, definitely Swiss cheese! Having said that, an option to Anonymise posts would be a better option, only to be used in an emergency.

Or maybe we should start SWIMing.

 

[token901]

The MDPV thread would disappear overnight.

Exactly. At least make a 3days waiting time, when you can change your mind, or only make on serious request, not with an automated button.

 

[gayorstraight]

Newp. Most of the forums I used to post in didn't allow you to delete even 1 post. And editing was limited to a set period of time and then no changes could be made.

I believe in being responsible/accountable for what you write. If people didn't have the delete option they would maybe think a bit more in advance about how they should respond before comitting their words to text.. We all say stupid shit sometimes, and do retarded stuff when we're wasted, so it's not like there's no forgiveness if you fuck something up here.

I particularly find it lame when a poster deletes a post to try to make themselves look better. That's especially lame.

Hmmm, maybe they deleted that particular post as they decided it was a little uncalled for and regretted it slightly, very slightly, later on. But, I suppose, you know best.

You talk of forgiveness all the time yet you drag old shit up out of nowhere, that's lame.


Edit: *Light bulb moment*: You fancy me! I knew it! That explains all the poking and pulling of my pig tails!
It's flattering and all, but I'm sorry, I don't feel the same way... It's not me it's you.

 

[Marmalade]

Hmmm, maybe they deleted that particular post as they decided it was a little uncalled for and regretted it slightly, very slightly, later on. But, I suppose, you know best.

You talk of forgiveness all the time yet you drag old shit up out of nowhere, that's lame.


Edit: *Light bulb moment*: You fancy me! I knew it! That explains all the poking and pulling of my pig tails!
It's flattering and all, but I'm sorry, I don't feel the same way... It's not me it's you.

I hate to break it to you, but my post wasn't about you. You should know by now that I have zero problem with telling you exactly how I feel about you, with examples and without pussyfooting around and in a language that's more than a little direct and not really open to interpretation. Ben asked the question, and as I've got an opinion on it, I answered. I largely agree with alisdair's thoughts about words and accountability.

I've had a problem with people deleting or heavily changing the nature of their posts since I've been here. Bluntsie used to do it all the time, as did a few others who I'm not gonna name because I don't want to bring up dead and burried shit. I've seen you do it a few times tho, come to think about it, but nothing major (so it changes the nature of the point youre trying to make etc), but perhaps (given your quote above) I should start paying a little bit more attention to your posts again, because it sounds like you're confessing to doing it quite a bit.

Also, whatever comment of yours you're talking about that you regretted, so deleted (I have no clue which one you're refering to)... but why not just take it back by posting a retraction and saying 'sorry, I was a bit harsh there ... yadda yadda'? Deleting comments like that (unless the other person has requested it and you've agreed by request) don't necessarily look like it was regretted, it often just gives the impression a poster is trying to look a certain way, or manipulate other people's perception of themselves. Even an edit with a 'comment removed for X reason' would be more truthful than a deletion.

It's like alisdair said, accountability and responsibility for words. I've got a big thing about that, it's something I see as being very relevant and something we need because it generally helps improve relationships and gets people to think much more about what they type and submit before hand. Take responsibility for the words you type, and if it goes wrong somewhere, then do the right thing and either apologise, or retract and offer an explanation or something. Erasing it is just the easy way out and is very open to interpretation.

On a separate note, while I'm talking about accountability & responsibility for words, one of the main issues I've had with you has been linked to that, and a whole range of stuff you've written tbh, but I'll leave that there for now because I doubt you're interested in hearing about that.

 

[brimz]

Cos of my unique posting style and un ability to get the words Know & now correct i oft. have to ninja a post .

 

[Ceres]

Edit: *Light bulb moment*:

lightbulb finally comes in the vacuous expanse of gayorstraights tiny mind - unfortunately its a useless 5w energy saver.

 

[parttime crackhead]

I've had a problem with people deleting or heavily changing the nature of their posts since I've been here.

Last edited by Marmalade; Today at 08:16.

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[Ben So Furry]

Just to clarify my earlier post. The disclaimer thing was meant as a joke. I agree with Marmalade. You are accountable for anything you post on the internet. Just look at some of the cases of abuse on Twitter in the media recently. I also read about some guy from the UK posting he would shoot up a school in the US. The school was closed for two days and the guy got 2 years in prison. It's the same as phoning through a bomb threat however funny you may think it is at the time.

I'd love to know how Ponti has pulled this one off. That must of been one hell of a donation.

 

[Marmalade]

Ben, MM quoted alisdair's post about this from the support forum, earlier on in this thread

this user approached me and asked me if we could delete all his posts. i used it as a test case for working through the process to see what issues might arise. i removed his posts per his request.

alasdair

They're investigating offering this kind of feature as a reward for donating so are testing the impact it could have on a whole range of potentials.

Personally, I think if a poster really has a genuine need to delete their account, it should at least be considered by admim if they've got the time, but for the sake of continuity of conversations/debate/advice the posts should stay, but the name auto changed to 'ex member' or 'username no longer exists' or whatever. It's better than leaving whole gaps in threads.

I'd just like to say also that my anti-deletion viewpoint hasn't been directed at you either Ponti, I'm just giving my opinion because it was brought up. I'm sure you had your reasons to want it to be done, and I have no idea what they were, but I know this place can get quite frustrating at times.

From a posting style point of view you aren't afraid to speak your mind, you're not someone I'd even remotely consider a coward and certainly not shy of making an apology when it's due. You put a lot of effort in to explain your thoughts and express how you're feeling and I've witnessed you make huge efforts to sort out your spats with people after things were said that were maybe a bit over the mark. You're a passionate and emotional guy (a good thing in my book), which comes with a whole set of both benefits and problems when posting on forums but I really hope you decide to keep posting, because you're a fucking interesting guy to read, with tons to say, and best of all you're a deep thinker on par with people like Shambles, SHM, knock etc.

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I also make about 3 deletions a day too, so thar! .. Mainly to keep the militant monkey off my back.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Shit, this has just reminded me. If you are reading this, which you probably aren't, I owe you a PM Pontifex. I wasn't dingying you, just shite at replying to PMs (& texts, phone calls, emails, carrier pigeon notes) within a reasonable time frame.

 

[BecomingJulie]

We have a problem, basically, that we want two things that cannot exist in the same universe. Like a weapon that can penetrate any armour and armour that can stop any weapon. If you have the ability to recover data irrespective of anything that may have been done to it, then that precludes the ability to delete data truly beyond recovery; if you had the ability to delete data unrecoverably, then there would be situations where you would be unable to recover your data.

Or, consider the case of a safe with an electronic combination lock. If it locks under power and defaults to unlocked, then all a thief need do is whip out the batteries, or even just wait for them to become too spent to hold the lock closed. If it unlocks under power and defaults to locked, then ..... what if a young child climbs inside it? Again, you have two sets of requirements that cannot both be satisfied at the same time.

I firmly believe that the fruits of all human endeavour belong to all of humanity; and for a person to be able retrospectively to remove or alter the contribution they made to the state of the art risks setting back the state of the art. Also, the idea that someone else could make one of us an "unperson" is very, very scary. On the other hand, the idea of being haunted forever by a past Internet posting isn't exactly an appealing prospect, either.

My personal take on it is to be very, very careful what you post; and keep enough separation between your various online activities to prevent a casual connection from being drawn between them. And I think we might be better off introducing laws intending to protect people from discrimination based on the trail they will have inevitably left behind, than trying to prevent that trail from existing in the first place.

 

[Ceres]

good point, I imagine there are people now who wont be able toget a job because they posted something stupid on twitter when they were 15.