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How often can you use meth without building tolerance and causing cognitive defects?

jess046

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As a general guideline I mean...what is the minimum amount of time between doses (say like 1 standard point per dose) to avoid building tolerance and any nasty side effects? MDMA has the one month rule, so I was wondering if there's a sort of unspoken idea about time frames for meth users too (even though most do use regularly and build a tolerance rapidly, I'm sure there are plenty of responsible users who care about their health and their wallet). So by minimum I mean what is the least you could get away with as opposed to what is ideal (for example for MDMA users 3 months is ideal, whilst 1 month is acceptable).

Cheers
 
As a general guideline I mean...what is the minimum amount of time between doses (say like 1 standard point per dose) to avoid building tolerance and any nasty side effects? MDMA has the one month rule, so I was wondering if there's a sort of unspoken idea about time frames for meth users too (even though most do use regularly and build a tolerance rapidly, I'm sure there are plenty of responsible users who care about their health and their wallet). So by minimum I mean what is the least you could get away with as opposed to what is ideal (for example for MDMA users 3 months is ideal, whilst 1 month is acceptable).

Cheers

Don't most meth users re-dose many times and binge, so that just one binge has substantial tolerance and side effects?
 
was thinking about this. If you were somehow able to only dose once(within the normal range of a dose), and not re-dose and go on a moreish binge, my guess would be that in 3 days to a week depending on your fitness,diet, and sleep hygeine, your body would recover to baseline. You might be able to avoid building tolerance and any nasty side effects.
That's only my best guess. I don't use meth, so maybe others with more experience could add insight.

seems like it would be hard to pull off.
 
was thinking about this. If you were somehow able to only dose once(within the normal range of a dose), and not re-dose and go on a moreish binge, my guess would be that in 3 days to a week depending on your fitness,diet, and sleep hygeine, your body would recover to baseline. You might be able to avoid building tolerance and any nasty side effects.
That's only my best guess. I don't use meth, so maybe others with more experience could add insight.

seems like it would be hard to pull off.

A week sounds about right with one dose, but 3 days is not enough time. Your dopamine levels don't recover that fast.
 
A week for me as well. 2 weeks is even better of course but at the 5 day mark I feel like I am physically and mentally normal again so I don't mind firing up that bowl, especially if my partner is scheduled to be working all weekend and I have the place to myself with a great deal of porn handy. I take R-ALA 400mg daily, 1.5g Vit C, and 300mg Magnesium daily which appears to help with recovery.
Mind you, I don't go through a lot when by myself, just one bowl half a point or less (have to say this is due to high potency stash), any more and I'll feel nauseous the next day. That thought alone keeps me from fiending. :)
In a social situation, I won't count on being so disciplined.
 
What I don't understand is why the recovery for meth is so much shorter compared to MDMA. Both release hefty amounts of seratonin, so wouldn't it stand to reason that weekly use would result in less euphoria? I haven't personally noticed a lack of euphoria from weekly use
 
I can't speak for Methamphetamine but I recreationally use Dextroamphetamine. I take 65mg to achieve a great high, sometimes redosing once or twice around the same dosage range. The most I've taken is 420mg over two days, it was the longest binge I've been on. I usually only redose once, so I'll take 65mg to start then 65-75mg 6-8 hours later followed by a high dose of Alprazolam for the comedown. But, I do take 14-21 day breaks in between every high/binge so my tolerance generally stays around the 65mg range. I always start with 65mg and it always produces the same effects that I want, I haven't had the need to start at a higher dosage so I presume my lengthy breaks in between taking the drug prevents a tolerance buildup.
 
actually, meth does not release serotonin. nor does it release norepinephrine. it inhibits the reuptake of these neurotransmitters. imagine your brain cells each have vacuums for cleaning up excess neurotransmitters. meth basically unplugs the vacuums. it drastically raises your dopamine and norepinephrine levels and moderately raises your serotonin levels. mdma, on the other hand, is speculated to actually act as a serotonin releasing agent in addition to the effects that methamphetamine causes. not much is known about the mechanisms that mediate the recovery from use of either of these substances, so it's kind of hard to say whether a meth user can recover more quickly than an mdma user. if you ask me, i would speculate that it's not true that meth users recover faster. it is clear that mdma has more effects on serotonin modulation than it does norepinephrine and dopamine. it has the base effects of methamphetamine, but they are much weaker than they are in methamphetamine. when you take mdma, you do much more "damage" to your serotoninergic system than you do to your dopamine and norepinephrine systems. the opposite is true for methamphetamine. i should think that if you took enough mdma to match the dopamine and norepinephrine effects a certain meth dose would cause, you would be causing serious damage to your serotonin receptors and possibly risking serotonin syndrome and death. on the other hand, if you took enough meth to match the serotonin effects a certain mdma dose would create, you would have severe psychosis and probably a heart attack. that said, it follows that the recovery a MDMA user faces is different than the recovery a meth user faces. if you're recovering from mdma, you're trying to get your serotonin system to properly modulate. on the other hand, if you're a meth user, you're trying to get your dopamine system, and to a lesser extent, your norepinephrine system, to properly modulate (norepinephrine seems to recover much more quickly than dopamine). so perhaps, if it is true that meth users recover more quickly, that would suggest that the dopamine and norepinephrine systems recover more quickly than does the serotonin system. of course, this is a gross oversimplification of these processes. nobody really understands the way these drugs work with significant accuracy. scientists have barely come up with decent hypotheses as to why mdma causes cognitive and emotional deficits, so us speculating on how long it would take to recover is pretty silly. that said, studies suggest that even one time doing a moderate to large dose of meth causes lasting alterations to dopamine levels. how long lasting is probably different for everyone. this is why most sources, not just D.A.R.E. tell you "not even once" when it comes to meth. it's really up to you, but anyone who's trying to get loaded on meth but not become a psychotic braindead tweaker will probably use a maximum of once every few weeks. the most dangerous thing you can do is binge. one dose in the morning, and that's IT, no booster dose and no getting pissed that you can't sleep so you smoke more to keep from coming down. you're just prolonging the inevitable. you gotta come down either way, but the longer you prolong it, the more damage you're doing to your brain. and it's not a linear function. the damage is likely to compound exponentially each day you go without sleep and continue to use, considering your tolerance is going up and you're depleting your antioxidant reserves. so you really gotta just avoid the binges and you might actually never have a problem using as much as once a week or so. i've met plenty of people who use meth but aren't messed up from it. a friend of mine does what i described. he smokes his first and last bowl at like 7AM, and of course he can't sleep at night. if he's starting to come down he says he takes a handful of xannies.. if he's still not coming down he'll just stay up and crash the next day. sleep is essential
 
Sorry I didn't read that big block of text above minus the sentence in bold. ^

When I first started smoking meth I would only smoke once every couple weeks. That lasted for about a year and everything was fine then. Didn't get hardcore cravings or anything and after usually 2-3 days I felt like myself again. Of course with more and more use it turned into a very regular thing, which I knew was coming...

Although this may work for a few, meth is extremely hard to not re-dose and binge on, at least for me anyways. I gotta say, if you haven't tried it yet, don't. The whole "Not Even Once" thing rang so true with me after the first time I did it and it's been non stop since for the most part. Just my two cents.
 
Mmmm meth, In my opinion, (since my last experiences involved smoking) I would smoke every 4 hours like 5 or 6 big hits, (smoking is very fiendish) whereas with snorting i don't really re-dose until like every 8 hours. After a few sessions since even a 20 of meth could go on for a few days, i notice while the high or euphoria is still their, the motivation and concentration starts to decrease along with the physical body high. I would say wait every 2 weeks ATLEAST after going on meth binge (even that will cause some side effects, depending on the amount you use).
 
Sorry I didn't read that big block of text above minus the sentence in bold. ^

When I first started smoking meth I would only smoke once every couple weeks. That lasted for about a year and everything was fine then. Didn't get hardcore cravings or anything and after usually 2-3 days I felt like myself again. Of course with more and more use it turned into a very regular thing, which I knew was coming...

Although this may work for a few, meth is extremely hard to not re-dose and binge on, at least for me anyways. I gotta say, if you haven't tried it yet, don't. The whole "Not Even Once" thing rang so true with me after the first time I did it and it's been non stop since for the most part. Just my two cents.

This is solid advise. The best way to avoid meth is to never try it. I stick with D-Amp and have never had the need or want to try Meth, and never will. It's a much safer route. Dangerous and addictive drug that will steal your soul.
 
This is solid advise. The best way to avoid meth is to never try it. I stick with D-Amp and have never had the need or want to try Meth, and never will. It's a much safer route. Dangerous and addictive drug that will steal your soul.

Implying that Dex amphetamine isn't dangerous and won't steal your soul? They are both pretty similar, meth obviously being more toxic. But all amphetamines are pretty detrimental to the brain and come with some consequences. The worst of them being MDMA, which imo 100% of the time causes more damage to your brain if you were to take 100mg of MDMA vs 100mg of meth.
 
Implying that Dex amphetamine isn't dangerous and won't steal your soul? They are both pretty similar, meth obviously being more toxic. But all amphetamines are pretty detrimental to the brain and come with some consequences. The worst of them being MDMA, which imo 100% of the time causes more damage to your brain if you were to take 100mg of MDMA vs 100mg of meth.

MDMA is safer for the brain if you take the proper precautions. You can avoid nerotoxicity all together if you're smart.
Also, Dextroamphetamine is less addictive than Methamphetamine. I'm not saying it isn't addictive, just saying less so than Meth. I know some people who are hopelessly hooked on Dextroamphetamine but I also have seen many more people who are hooked on Meth due to the availability, price and overall addictive properties that the drug has.
 
MDMA is safer for the brain if you take the proper precautions. You can avoid nerotoxicity all together if you're smart.
Also, Dextroamphetamine is less addictive than Methamphetamine. I'm not saying it isn't addictive, just saying less so than Meth. I know some people who are hopelessly hooked on Dextroamphetamine but I also have seen many more people who are hooked on Meth due to the availability, price and overall addictive properties that the drug has.

^ I agree that Dextroamphetamine is less addictive than Meth, I started on d-amp years ago when I was diagnosed with "ADD" which I don't really have... Anyways both are similar in effects and addiction potential, I've always thought Meth was less pushy and easier to manage the high on moderate doses but the cravings trump d amps IMO.

Again, be careful mate.
 
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