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[Tryptamite]

Kinetic at the hive invented mephedrone in 2003. The thread is reposted online. I hope I can say as much and if not I apologise in advance.

 

[Cornishman]

Just watching it on 40d - WTF is with that couple who ordered a gram of some chemical for 50 quid and took a little dab on their tongues and then took 100mg each? They looked bored as fuck...Dr. Z seems like a cool dude though!! Crazy that he invented so many of the RC's himself

+1

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought an allergy test involved rubbing a small amount of said substance onto some skin to see if it came up in a rash?

 

[Allein]

Mmm... synth talk on BL. With the killer twist that it's pirate synthesis. Now that's how to make a pirated-up MM a happy mod

I thought Prof Z invented a particular way to synthesise meph in bulk? Didn't invent pirate, I don't think. Said as much in that doc too, no?

I got that as well, interesting doc I thought although I didn't really see any attempt to try and address the farcical illegality of substances like MDMA or amphetamines.

I fond the RC market fascinating as it gives some indication of how things might be if we decriminalise drugs, Meph showed what could be done and ultimately how little harm was caused by such widespread excessive use, MDMA was much the same but obviously not legal.

RCs are making a mockery out of anachronism of a drug policy, as well as the growing market in online sales of illegal substances from all over Europe.

I genuinely think we will see change in the next 10 years, the general public are starting to move that way and I'm sure many many people are sick of the huge sums of money spent on police operation to prevent the sale and possession of cannabis....what a total waste of time and resources even with the current system, apart from a few cases of it contributing to the onset of existing mental health conditions ( I'm conformable this can happen in a small number of people) it really is benign and in comparison to alcohol is clearly very safe.

 

[Treacle]

EDIT>>>>yeah that couple destroyed any fun that drug might have given them.

Taking notes? Blood pressure. Sitting in silence waiting for "first alerts", objective discussions of their tactile sensations etc....I really don't think they'd be a great deal of fun without the cameras there.

Yeah, how fucking Erowid of them. They should have just split the gramme, and got on with it. You can't gauge the effects of a drug, if you're at a party. What would that prove? 'Couple takes random powder and enjoys party'? I don't get it. Is this not a harm reduction board, and not a 'order some of the latest shit and don't care what it even does' board? I do wonder. There's a lot of people around me who will just ingest whatever they're given. I'm sick of telling people about pill reports, because it makes no difference. That's why people keep dying, because they can't be arsed.

 

[Ismene]

I'm sure many many people are sick of the huge sums of money spent on police operation to prevent the sale and possession of cannabis....what a total waste of time and resources even with the current system

I don't think the police see it like that tho - they view drug users as the scum of the earth and would like to see the entire bloody lot rounded up and consigned to concentration camps. If you took away drug users what are they going to do all day? Chase after burglars in the pissing rain? They won't like that. They don't like it up em.

 

[backroll]

So pleased to see people defending that couple after all the crap they have been given on here.

Baxter and his friends = in my mind what half of BL comprises

 

[Allein]

I don't think the police see it like that tho - they view drug users as the scum of the earth and would like to see the entire bloody lot rounded up and consigned to concentration camps. If you took away drug users what are they going to do all day? Chase after burglars in the pissing rain? They won't like that. They don't like it up em.

I agree with that as far as the general war on drugs but IME the Police on the ground would rather not be chasing round after cannabis, the senior ones probably love the ability to show they are arresting people and seizing drugs which would do wonders for their metrics.

Just the removal of cannabis from criminal law would free up so much resource, I do wonder whether some level of decriminalisation will happen in the relatively near future if only to better use dwindling resources.

The global machine that claims to be fighting illegal drugs is obviously nothing more than a self serving and totally ineffective farce , I watch with interest as governments grapple with RCs and drugs by mail not to mention the major drug importers who are most likely closely affiliated with that very global machine. We may be moving to a place where technology just moves too fast for the system to maintain even the illusion of purpose. Public opinion seems to be shifting certainly with cannabis, I don't have the figures but the usage across Europe must be massive, there gets to a point where use is so widespread they may need to decriminalise just t save face.

 

[Ceres]

So pleased to see people defending that couple after all the crap they have been given on here.

Baxter and his friends = in my mind what half of BL comprises

That allergy test and blood pressure bollocks is nothing but a figleaf of sanity when really they are little safer in what they're doing than baxters hapless rats.

Really, what comes off as the victim in that episode is british society and to me this begs us to question why people are doing it in the first place.

 

[parttime crackhead]

A lot of (NOT ALL BY ANT MEANS) young people now seem to take drugs as a solitary pursuit, the taking and the effects of the drug are an end in themselves, as is ticking off drugs on a list just to see how many you've taken...I don't think this is always a good thing.

I think you're right. It's a fucking stupid way of taking drugs. I like the effects of drugs, whereas some people seem to just like the idea of taking ABC-123. for example, I've decided not to bother ordering any of this Alan Lad gear. The reason? I like tripping, so if I want to trip I'll just get some acid. I don't need to tick drugs off a list just to say I've tried them. For that same reason I won't bother with your 6-APDBCBBC's either. If I want that sort of effect I'll just take something I've tried and tested over many years - swedgers.

I don't really need to go experimenting with weird and wonderful random powders just for slightly different effects.

Mr & Mrs Sensible were still far better than that Baxter cunt right enough. He was a mile out. Big list of all the drugs he'd taken as though that was his greatest achievement. Pretty sad tbh. He obviously had mad problems beyond his excessive drug taking though. I'm glad his pals finally patched him, even though he was fucked up, as he came across like a total cunt. Baxtercaine

 

[ColtDan]

People taking drugs just to "see how many theyve taken" is pathetic

 

[Shambles]

I totally agree that keeping a list just to be able to reel off a the names of a gazillion drugs you've taken no other cunt has heard of is utterly pathetic. I know some folk do keep a record of what they've taken in terms of taking a few notes for reference - kinda like your own personal Erowid - which I think is fine if you're the fastidious type. Have never bothered myself, mind. Too lazy. But that's not the same as literally just scribbling the names of whatever shit you've bought online in an exercise book and reading it out to people as if thinking it's gonna impress anybody rather than just making you look a bellend.

I certainly am in the "experimenting with weird and wonderful random powders just for slightly different effects" group though. Curiosity innit. Brimz did the nail:head thing in another thread recently: people trying a gazillion RCs trying to find an MDMA replacement, or a speed substitute or whatever are just doing it wrong (unless they simply cannot source illegals for some reason). I'm not trying to find substitutes, am just fascinated by the range of effects. Yes, the APB drugs are "a bit like MDMA" but they are also quite different. Sometimes I might be in an MDMA mood, sometimes in a 6-APDB mood.

Is a bit of a cliché, but I really do see it as much the same as folk who are really into wine. For me, I like the red ones. That's as in-depth as I feel the need to go and is fine for my purposes. Just like folk who are perfectly happy with the "classic" drugs. Other folk get all wanky about wine and like to compare vintages and estates and choose specific bottles to go with specific meals and the like. Just like folk who like to be able to choose between a whole range of drugs within each of the main groupings. Depending on how you look at it, the latter two examples are wine/drug snob wankers and the former unsophisticated plebs or, as I tend to see it, people are just made different and like different things.

 

[Allein]

People taking drugs just to "see how many theyve taken" is pathetic

Are people really behaving like that, I'm not authority but aren't the majority of RCs more than a little shite, I know there are a few of use but much of what is sold doesn't seem worth taking given the risk profile of RCs in general.

Wasn't the loon main lining the Ketamine analogue, what an utter cock you can get pretty clean Ket these days which is a well know substance with good testing and low risk ( as long as you don't start snorting 5gs a day)

I'm not into IV anyway but if I was going to the trouble of doing so I'd want it to be reasonably safe and worth while, digging some second rate dissociative in silly quantities strikes me as plain dumb.

The couple taking the 5APB ( or whatever it was ) at least presented a more intelligent approach, I wasn't aware 6APB had been banned what a waste of tax payers money creating legislation that basically achieves nothing as they move straight onto a slightly tweaked compound. Given you can still get MDPV with relative ease the whole thing is a total joke.

I'm off to top up on unidentified stimulants I got off some random on the net, I'm thinking about injecting them straight into my tongue after I've dissolved them in Cilit Bang

 

[Ceres]

I'm off to top up on unidentified stimulants I got off some random on the net, I'm thinking about injecting them straight into my tongue after I've dissolved them in Cilit Bang

ahhahahahha.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

. The reason? I like tripping, so if I want to trip I'll just do acid.

This.

For me, the only new drug worth doing in the last ten years is pirate. I know some see it as an MDMA sub, some as a cocaine sub, but for me it's not a substitute. It's just filthy (in more ways than one) pirate. Anything else I CAN either find a better substitute from a traditional drug, or the effects are not really what I'm after.

I think MM raised an interesting point. The numbers of people sitting at home in their bedrooms ingesting random substances ALONE is going through the roof. I don't see this as a good thing, particularly with drugs that play around so much with the mind. I see this as an inevitable consequence of the Internet + prohibition. Easy to click and buy, not easy at all to share with like-minded individuals or peers because of illegality and taboo.

Your shared experience ain't quite the same on a message board.

 

[Ceres]

[video="youtube;OI3shBXlqsw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI3shBXlqsw[/video]

meant to post this in here, oops.

 

[monstanoodle]

At first I thought "This Baxter guy is a complete idiotic wanker - Fucking Baxtocaine..." but as time went on - And I saw that character who was practically Cook from Skins, and that his "mates" were just there for the drugs (and some of them were tossers too) - I became to feel sorry for him being abandoned for using Heroin.

He gave them little krettins drugs that were likely to be just as dangerous as Heroin if consumed in the stupid manner that they were fucking close to doing, and as soon as he was back on gear they abandoned him (his one last friend aside).

The couple seemed like really lovely people. I mean yeah - they were going a bit Erowid about it and whatnot - but if that's what they do when they first take a new substance (and have a camera crew in their house) then who's to judge?

But I knew they were going to show a fucking Baxter (practically) on a PCP analogue and seeing that yes = It makes people look like a fucking mess because they are in a fucking mess. Likely enjoying themselves ofcourse, but it was a fucking Daily Mail Donkey's Carrot on a stick! 8)

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

You know, I didn't actually watch this 'show' but I feel like I've seen it a hundred times before anyway.

Good point about the couple and the camera crew Mr M.

 

[Shambles]

I think MM raised an interesting point. The numbers of people sitting at home in their bedrooms ingesting random substances ALONE is going through the roof. I don't see this as a good thing, particularly with drugs that play around so much with the mind. I see this as an inevitable consequence of the Internet + prohibition. Easy to click and buy, not easy at all to share with like-minded individuals or peers because of illegality and taboo.

Your shared experience ain't quite the same on a message board.

Personally, I've always greatly enjoyed sitting around at home ingesting industrial quantities of drugs of all kinds - old and new - alone. And have always greatly enjoyed going out and ingesting industrial quantities of drugs of all kinds - old and new - with actual people. And have always greatly enjoyed sitting around at a home ingesting industrial quantities of drugs of all kinds - old and new - with actual people. Am an equal opportunities feeelthy drugpig me

They're just completely different experiences. I don't see any one of 'em being better or worse than any of the others. Obviously shared experiences can be amazing and is simply not something you can ever replicate by yourself. And I wouldn't want to replicate such experiences alone. What I love most about taking drugs alone is the fact I can be far more experimental and push things waaaaaaaaaay further than would be appropriate when out and about and/or with company (aside from a very select few likeminded folks if available).

Many of the finest drug experiences I've ever had happened alone and most of 'em just couldn't have happened with other people around. Sillyhigh doses of psyches and/or dissociatives (especially the latter) are just not really feasible in public (at least they ain't for me) or with anybody else around at all (aside from a handful of likeminded people I've known over the years who I felt comfortable enough around to do that kinda things with).

Many of the finest experiences I've ever had happened in social settings of various kinds and all of those just couldn't have happened without the social setting by definition. The feeling of being with a group of other people - small or large - who are all sharing in that experience is amazing.

I really don't see it as being a problem unless it actually is a problem. Using drugs alone can certainly become unhealthy - even downright dangerous sometimes. But it - in and of itself - is just dandy. I highly recommend it. And for those folks that only ever really take drugs at home alone, I highly recommend getting out more and taking drugs with people. Basically, I just recommend taking drugs at all times and in all situations :D

(that last sentence may not be entirely true )

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Again, nothing is black and white and there are obviously numerous situations where taking drugs alone can be fun, healthy, hedonistic, creative, whatever.

I'm talking as a general rule, there are more lonely drug users these days and that may not be a generally healthy thing. For all our misanthropy we are social beings and prohibition undoubtedly gets in the way of this.

 

[WithMyLife]

I think that couple were really sweet. A bit OTT on the note taking, but generally sensible people.

Baxter's "friends" should take a long hard look at themselves for dumping their mate when he started using heroin.