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EADD Pirate (mephedrone, 4-MMC) Megathread XII v. Yeeeeaaaarrrrghhh Me Hearties!

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ageingpartyfiend said:
Meph/speed combo sounds dangerous for men of a certain age ;) no?

Have you (or anyone else) tried the meph/coke combo?
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probably not best in HR terms, specially mixed with sildenafil as well. Needs must and that though.

Never tried meph/coke, seems a bit pricey and prob a waste.
 
Mailmonkey said:
probably not best in HR terms, specially mixed with sildenafil as well. Needs must and that though.

Never tried meph/coke, seems a bit pricey and prob a waste.
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only tried it the once....a couple of big lines of good meph on a coke comedown....eased the comedown and was very pleasant but definitely felt a bit heart-straining (could have been psychosomatic tho).

Not a combo am gonna be repeating probably, in fact may well have reached the end of the road with stims altogether due to elongated comedown issues
 
why can't Indian/Pakistani chemists make meph like the Chinese did??

Are they shite or what?

I don't understand why no-one can reproduce the amazing product we used to get pretty much consistently from dozens of different vendors. Anyone any ideas?
 
Have you (or anyone else) tried the meph/coke combo?
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a few years back i did coke, meph, m1, mdpv and 2 different legal highs from a headshop. stimmed up and drank like crazy but no real problems.

after about 4 hours didn't get any higher but just kept taking bumps n lines for the sake of it.
 
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swedger77 said:
why can't Indian/Pakistani chemists make meph like the Chinese did??

Are they shite or what?

I don't understand why no-one can reproduce the amazing product we used to get pretty much consistently from dozens of different vendors. Anyone any ideas?
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Meph production did shift to India after the Chinese crack down. I've encountered it in Goa, but it isn't very popular there and doesn't seem to be widely distributed in India. The meph I found had the appearance of rice grains, little smell until crushed and was incredibly powerful and euphoric. It was also cheap as chips. I've never seen anything like it over here.
 
I really think this small hard grain stuff is just 4 mec as you only really get half a slap if you bomb around 400mg and snorting does very little unless you are fucked on a large bomb already. I left meph alone for a year as the quality was dire and from the samples I've had recently I don't think the situation has improved.
 
China banned production of the meph pre cursor 4-methylpropiophen one which contains up to 10% 3-methylpropiophen one (technical grade reagent). Separation of 3-methylmethcathin one from 4-methylmethcathin one is difficult. On large scale, multiple recrystallizations are required which I doubt most RC manufacturers would do because of lost material and thus lost profit - hence the impurity. Thats why Chinese meph was different as it contained 3-mmc as a by product which happened to give you a better buzz, although bad for your health. They were losing too much product in washing it out. China was main world producer of 4-methylpropiophen one so when it dried up i presume that's when India started producing meph but were unable to get the banned pre cursors so used probably one of these methods, both produce mephedrone but none of them contain 3-mmc in the final product; Cleaner yes but the buzz is not as intense as the 3-mmc was helping the Chinese gears potency

India synth option It can also be produced by oxidising the ephedrine analogue (4-methylephedrine ) using potassium permanganate dissolved in sulfuric acid. Because 4-methylephedrine can be obtained in a specific enantiomeric form it is possible to produce mephedrone consisting of only one enantiomer. There is a danger associated with this method as it may cause manganese poisoning if the product is not correctly purified.

India synth option A stereo-specific form of (S)-mephedrone could be prepared via Friedel–Crafts acylation. The first step in the synthesis would react toluene and (S)-N-trifluoroace tylalanoyl chloride in the presence of aluminium chloride, then deprotect the intermediate with hydrochloric acid-propyl alcohol . This would produce (S)-4-methylcathin one, which could then be methylated to produce mephedrone There are loads more synth recipes about but none contain 3-mmc in the final product unless 4-methylpropiophen one was used as the pre cursor.
Only now has India sussed out a better pre cursor and you can now find very good indian meph but still not as evil as Chinese but getting close
 
Has anybody ever snorted meth whilst on 4mmc? would appreciated any info on this combo asap! :) low dose like 15-20mg meth after about 150mg meph....
 
lol well have already done about 150 mg sniffed of 4mmc and have the chance to try meth as a one off lol...

dont really want to miss the opurtunity, it doesnt come often!
 
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^Yeah... just remember Meth is one of the most addictive drugs on the planet... so just be careful :)
 
Hangover said:
China banned production of the meph pre cursor 4-methylpropiophen one which contains up to 10% 3-methylpropiophen one (technical grade reagent). Separation of 3-methylmethcathin one from 4-methylmethcathin one is difficult. On large scale, multiple recrystallizations are required which I doubt most RC manufacturers would do because of lost material and thus lost profit - hence the impurity. Thats why Chinese meph was different as it contained 3-mmc as a by product which happened to give you a better buzz, although bad for your health. They were losing too much product in washing it out. China was main world producer of 4-methylpropiophen one so when it dried up i presume that's when India started producing meph but were unable to get the banned pre cursors so used probably one of these methods, both produce mephedrone but none of them contain 3-mmc in the final product; Cleaner yes but the buzz is not as intense as the 3-mmc was helping the Chinese gears potency

India synth option It can also be produced by oxidising the ephedrine analogue (4-methylephedrine ) using potassium permanganate dissolved in sulfuric acid. Because 4-methylephedrine can be obtained in a specific enantiomeric form it is possible to produce mephedrone consisting of only one enantiomer. There is a danger associated with this method as it may cause manganese poisoning if the product is not correctly purified.

India synth option A stereo-specific form of (S)-mephedrone could be prepared via Friedel–Crafts acylation. The first step in the synthesis would react toluene and (S)-N-trifluoroace tylalanoyl chloride in the presence of aluminium chloride, then deprotect the intermediate with hydrochloric acid-propyl alcohol . This would produce (S)-4-methylcathin one, which could then be methylated to produce mephedrone There are loads more synth recipes about but none contain 3-mmc in the final product unless 4-methylpropiophen one was used as the pre cursor.
Only now has India sussed out a better pre cursor and you can now find very good indian meph but still not as evil as Chinese but getting close
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This sounds very plausible.

I did think 4-methylephedrine and kmno4 would be a logical synth.
 
Good answer Hangover, i wish i understood it all.

But basically its not the same synth. Out of interest whats your opinion on differing synth routes for MDMA resulting in different feelings from different batches....eg more empathy, loved up feeling etc
 
Hangover said:
China banned production of the meph pre cursor 4-methylpropiophen one which contains up to 10% 3-methylpropiophen one (technical grade reagent). Separation of 3-methylmethcathin one from 4-methylmethcathin one is difficult. On large scale, multiple recrystallizations are required which I doubt most RC manufacturers would do because of lost material and thus lost profit - hence the impurity. Thats why Chinese meph was different as it contained 3-mmc as a by product which happened to give you a better buzz, although bad for your health. They were losing too much product in washing it out. China was main world producer of 4-methylpropiophen one so when it dried up i presume that's when India started producing meph but were unable to get the banned pre cursors so used probably one of these methods, both produce mephedrone but none of them contain 3-mmc in the final product; Cleaner yes but the buzz is not as intense as the 3-mmc was helping the Chinese gears potency
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I've read this a fair few times online but beyond people's posts that's it. Has anyone actually attempted to get some 3-mmc and 4-mmc separately and combined to see if this fixes the buzz?
 
Pagey said:
Woah...I'd been wanting to try meph but one day of coke has my heart throbbing as soon as I move so probably gonna have to reconsider now. Shame :(
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I used to get it just as bad really, heart palpitations though I think were the worst of it, just sitting around though id start to get pins and needles etc. Just didnt really agree with me, shortness of breath also. Alright for some, lot of drugs dont agree with me thinking about it though, and regret it everytime.

Also whats with all the pin like-yellowy stuff, is that whats the best stuff at the moment? Still never had anything as good as the pre-ban stuff, just pure white tiny crystals,, like s-isomer ket almost finely cooked
 
Silverfox, I agree, I have had this stuff, small just a tinch off white depends what way you like at them in the light uncle ben size rice size crystals maybe smaller from india, no real smell crushed into nice white powder even 100mg sniffed and bang.. Fooked B-)
 
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