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EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

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Ahhh ok thanks for the info anyway guys, think I am just going to give them to my mate after reading up on them (that link you posted mosta :S), he fell out of a tree the other week and cracked 2 vertebrates in his back, so I guess he needs them more than me.

I was all ready heavily benzoed but I necked 3 and had a spliff, felt nice and relaxed. Ive told him about the warnings but he seems ok with them
 
How many diff benzos are there? Seems like there's alot I've never heard of or dealt with. Here its either xan, vals, or klons thats it. Now I seeing there's couple hundred diff types. I not sure if my "doctor" even knows about any of them.
 
Just look at the bottom of this Benzodiazepine page where it says Benzodiazepine derivatives and there are probably more being created as I type.
Ones that are commercially used on the other hand are a smaller percentage of that list.
 
Lol it says dentists can use benzos as a premedication for medical or dental procedures. Wish I had that dentist, mine all about rushing thru the procedure.
 
Hehe Yeah - They're used in Dentistry when they get a patient who's terribly anxious about possibly being tortured by Dr. DOOM!!!
 
i took 2mg of etiz before a tooth extraction, definitely helped me sitting in the chair and getting the injections in my mouth (which i hate usually) i hate the fact i have began using these things, is the withdrawls bad for etizolam? i know im getting anxious when im not taking them of a night :/ and its taking almost 4mg to knock me out now :/
 
Ya the tolerance builds quick with any benzo. Maybe try skip a dose or taper down a few mgs slowly. The wds can be terrible but that one your on appears to be one of the weaker/short halflife benzos. Hopefully that makes tapering easier.
 
hi folks, ive been addicted to etizolam since the first day i tried it. Due to the bathroom manufactured shite that appears later. it became steadily harder and harder to get proper etizolam strips. I know of not one UK or EU supplier of these.

I can get EU etiz powder, but would prefer to get the stuff from our UK no1 vendor.

In the meantime my box of etizolam strips is running down an alarming rate. So much so that ive had to supplement it with phenazepam. On one occasion i boight about 100mg of phen and was fine. On the other 2 occasions i bought 2 grams and i was far from fine with that. Made me very aggressive, incoherent. and totally out of it. Badly affected me persoanlity and even simple motror sills like typing were beyond me. Not really the way i want to be at all. As much as i hate to it that stuffs got to go (though parts of me keep saying 'keep some on standby for emergencies' etc.

I dont feel ready to stop benzos yet, but could at least make efforts to cut down the etiz. They do fuck all to help me any more due to tolerance issues, sos's i may as well get tapering. Im concered that my stocks will run ouy way before im ready though.

Im thinking of taking a shit load of diazepam for a while in order to get tested postive for diaz at a clinic. How long does the body need to build up enough diaz for a posiitive result ? Then i could chance my arm and ask for a script. I realise the odds are heavily stacked against my favour, but what else can i do ? I have nothing to loose.

Carrying on with phenaz is a NO NO after all the antics it has bought me this week.

Ive been takin etizolam for abiut 2 years, ranfing from 1mg - 30mg a night, i supppose if i was tro back to it tonight I'd take 12.

Anyone have any suggestions please ?
 
Once you get into that squirrel mentality of "I'll run out soon - must stock up", you're kidding yourself to an extent. And supervised or not, you're going to need willpower for any taper you do embark upon.

How successful have you been in your own tapering attempts thus far? It won't be fun to taper down from (say) 12mg etiz, but it's feasible without getting yourself hooked on diaz.
 
Ya switching one habbit for another not very progressive if you really want off. Running out is a diff story though. Diaz builds up fast in system and enormous long halflife.
 
How bad are your WDs right now? If you take a lower dose or skip one, how bad does it get?

Valium taper is standard procedure. In any case, go to a doc, you'll get concrete help.

Stop buying dodgy black market benzos, just get something reliable such as valium prescribed (in sensible taper amounts). Doc may suggest having the chemist dispense yr benzos only for one day at a time, or perhaps twice a week. Go with this suggestion.

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i could chance my arm and ask for a script. I realise the odds are heavily stacked against my favour, but what else can i do ? I have nothing to loose.
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Just go to a doctor (your GP or an addiction specialist thru your GP).

You are addicted to benzos, and you need help getting off, simple as that. I don't see why you think that "the odds are heavily stacked against my favor".
 
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Ya switching one habbit for another not very progressive if you really want off. Running out is a diff story though. Diaz builds up fast in system and enormous long halflife.
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i know what you mean. Etiz isnt even recognised though (to the extent that its not even listed in any GP reference books and none of them even know how to spell it). That why i doubt my chances of getting a script for it. Besides. people say its very hard to get benzo scripots these days no matter how legitmate your needs.

lurch: the docs here dont prescribe bnzos they refer you to druggy clinics. Thtough bitter experience ive learned you havce to be on somethinhg that will show on their test (etiz deffo wont) guessing id be safe with diaz etc, so might get some of that it just to pass the stupid test.

If they wanna play stupid bearacratic ticking boxes games with me then ill just haveto play along, tick the right boxes, and with any luck atall i mjight get what i want a supervised taper. Being honest with drs and medics can be a huge mitake iIME. And youre oftern far better off inbevnting some total bullshit to beat the fuckin system. %)

ive rarely stopped long enough to know how badly addicted i am;apart from duting extended chaaotic stim binge sessions ehere i sstarted jolting and stuff. I thiught 'shit id better take a mouuthfull of benzos asap'.
 
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If they wanna play stupid bearacratic ticking boxes games with me then ill jusy jabe to play alomg, imn order to get what i want. Being homest with frs and medics can be a huge mitake iIME. And youre oftern far better off inbevnting some total bullshit to beat the fuckin system.
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I'm not sure what you mean with this. Anyway, a "druggy clinic" may not be such a bad place to ask for help, in your case.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean with this. Anyway, a "druggy clinic" may not be such a bad place to ask for help, in your case.
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you cant say i take "pyrazolam" for example cos theyve never even heard of it, and their tests only test for the most common sunstances. Yeah im going to ask my support wokers to liase with them on my behaflf. (might have to start lying to her too- though i dont really want to do that tho, as trust is essential in these relationhships)
 
lurching, MDB is correct, most drug workers, doctors and psychiatrists are not up to speed. They'll need him to spell it. And then they won't have a procedure to follow.
 
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Valium taper is standard procedure. In any case, go to a doc, you'll get concrete help.

Stop buying dodgy black market benzos, just get something reliable such as valium prescribed (in sensible taper amounts). Doc may suggest having the chemist dispense yr benzos only for one day at a time, or perhaps twice a week. Go with this suggestion.
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This. It seems pretty obvious to me that you need a proper script so you can manage your benzo use and work towards a taper over the longer term. Can't keep trying to deal with it all yourself by resorting to buying weight of phenaz. That way Bad Things lie :|

I'm actually surprised that etiz wouldn't show up on a pisstest. But phenaz surely will. But to specifically answer your question, even a single, one-off dose of diaz will show up on a pisstest. I know this cos I "failed" a pisstest last week after taking just 8mg of diaz two days prior to said test. I'm not even sure most pisstests differentiate between benzos - you just come up positive for "benzos". At least that was the case on the DSP one I had last week.

Your GP almost certainly won't be willing to prescribe benzos for this (or probably any other) purpose, but s/he will be able to refer you to a DSP who could and surely would. You already see a drug worker regularly anyway, no? Speak to them about it. Just be totally honest about the whole thing. There is no reason at all to refuse you a diaz script to stabilise on and taper with. Is exactly what they are there to do, after all ;)

Go get some scripted assistance to get the benzos sorted. You'll be glad you did, I suspect. Good luck <3
 
Sham: From what your saying they test for the whole "bonzodiazepam" family then ? im not sure what obscure benzos do show on a piss test, but id rather not risk it with a thieno whotsit lik etiz. I'll play it safe and go for a common one after my fiasco with AH and now habing to buy my own Bupe. :| (It aint cheap- all the emoney im saving on not smoking is getting spent on bup)

Im gonna give myself a week or 2 to play with bupe. Then the taper begins. And the pain begins. And the fun, laughter and signing stop. In the worse case scenario. If this mirtazapine is any good it should be kin=cing in by then, so hopefully things wont be too bleak PAWS wise.

WIKI: Diagnostic screening[edit]In the case of life-threatening symptoms, unconsciousness, or bizarre behavior in an emergency situation, screening for common drugs and toxins may help find the cause, called a toxicology test or tox screen to denote the broader area of possible substances than self-administered drugs. The test is usually done within 96 h (4 days) after the estimated time of intoxication. Both a urine sample and a blood sample may be tested.[21] A blood sample is routinely used to detect ethanol/methanol and ASA/paracetamol intoxication. Various panels are used for screening urine samples for common substances, e.g. triage 8 that detects amphetamines, benzodiazepines, cocaine, methadone, opiates, cannabis, barbiturates and tricyclic antidepressants.[22] Results are given in 10–15 min.

Similar screenings may be used to evaluate the possible use of date rape drugs. This is usually done on a urine sample.[21]
 
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Pfft. Pisstesting for "date rape drugs" indeed. Roofies are benzos so would just show up as "benzos" and GBL/GHB are naturally occurring in everybody (and specifically to be found in the urine at that) anyway.

But yeah, the pot wot you piss in has a lil sticker on the side with boxes for opiates, benzos, amphetamines, cannabis and so on and if there's any in yer piss the box turns green or summat.
 
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